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Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 27, 2005 01:45 pm
Can you please ahve a look at this map and let me know if there are any locations that should be in it - important locations for 1944 operations - ? Also please correct any mistakes I made (names/rivers/roads) - this is really important.

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Posted by: Carol I November 27, 2005 06:41 pm
You may want to take a look at the map below (from Iaşi City Council).

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Ungheni, Podu Iloaiei, Ruginoasa and Moţca for example are missing from your map. You also missed the diacritics in some of the names (Paşcani, Leţcani).

Posted by: Victor November 27, 2005 08:15 pm
Podu Iloaiei should definately be there and Lespezi also. These were targets for Romanian fighter-bombers. Maybe also Ruginoasa. Are interested also in locations for ground fighting?

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 27, 2005 09:32 pm
Thank you Carol and Victor !
Yes Victor, ground action also important. Will try to put "Podul Ilioaei" (how is it correct: Iloaiei or Ilioaiei ?) and Lespezi - will give a yell if I am unable smile.gif

Posted by: Carol I November 27, 2005 09:44 pm
QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Nov 27 2005, 10:32 PM)
Will try to put "Podul Ilioaei" (how is it correct: Iloaiei or Ilioaiei ?)

Iloaiei

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 28, 2005 07:41 pm
I need help finding Lespezi please smile.gif

Posted by: Carol I November 28, 2005 08:26 pm
QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Nov 28 2005, 08:41 PM)
I need help finding Lespezi please smile.gif

Look 15 km north of Paşcani. wink.gif

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 28, 2005 09:41 pm
Got it, thanks smile.gif

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 29, 2005 08:53 am
Can someone pls make a short resume of what happened to Lerspezi ? And if possible provide a map of the operations in that area smile.gif

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 30, 2005 11:07 am
Anyone knows if the airfield and airport from today Iasi were same during ww2 ? (I mean if the location of today's aeroclub airfield and iasi airport is on the ww2 location of airfields) ?

Posted by: Carol I November 30, 2005 11:23 am
QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Nov 30 2005, 12:07 PM)
Anyone knows if the airfield and airport from today Iasi were same during ww2 ? (I mean if the location of today's aeroclub airfield and iasi airport is on the ww2 location of airfields) ?

Most likely: http://www.aeroport.ro/airport%20presentation.htm.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 30, 2005 02:03 pm
Thank you Carol - nice find !

Posted by: Carol I November 30, 2005 03:40 pm
QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Nov 30 2005, 12:07 PM)
Anyone knows if the airfield and airport from today Iasi were same during ww2 ? (I mean if the location of today's aeroclub airfield and iasi airport is on the ww2 location of airfields) ?

Do you have photos of the old airport or were you interested in the location only?

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 30, 2005 04:32 pm
Unfortunaetlly I do not - I was hoping to get at least the location right.. If anyone has ANY photos at all with airfields in Moldova/Basarbia, please contact me, I really need them (they are not for personal use but for a better understanding of romanian cotribution at ww2).

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 18, 2006 08:59 am
Does anyone have aerial hptographs of Moldavian crop fiels during ww2 ? I am interested to see how they were shaped - if it was any different from what we see today.

Posted by: mabadesc January 18, 2006 02:20 pm
Mytzu,

One more correction for your map:

On your map you have "Midauseni". The correct name is "Miclauseni", according to the 4th Army's Journal of Operations.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 18, 2006 02:50 pm
rgr - thanks, I didn't notice I wrote Midauseni back then smile.gif after reading more, now I know it is Miclauseni but I wouldn't have noticed on this map - thanks for pointing out !

Posted by: jivana January 18, 2006 09:42 pm
QUOTE
according to the 4th Army's Journal of Operations.


Where can you find this Journal of Operations, where can you read it?

Greetings

Posted by: mabadesc January 19, 2006 07:09 pm
You can read it at the military archives in Pitesti.

If you're looking for one or two specific days, I can post here or email you a scan of those pages if you wish. But I only have a few weeks in August '44, September '44, December '44, and Feb/March '45.

Posted by: jivana January 19, 2006 07:33 pm
Hi mabadesc,

I´m very much interested in the days 22nd, 23rd and 24th of August ´44 and I´d be very glad if I had the opportunity to read them.

Thanks in advance

Posted by: Carol I January 28, 2006 06:23 pm
QUOTE (mabadesc @ Jan 18 2006, 03:20 PM)
Mytzu,

One more correction for your map:

On your map you have "Midauseni".  The correct name is "Miclauseni", according to the 4th Army's Journal of Operations.

In Miclăuşeni there is an interesting palace of the Sturza family. The palace fared surprisingly well the war, only to be damaged later...

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http://www.dntis.ro/romania/iasi/iasi6.html

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 28, 2006 10:53 pm
Thank you Carol, excellent picture ! Do you have more of that building ? from other angles or aerials maybe ?

Posted by: Carol I January 28, 2006 11:07 pm
QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Jan 28 2006, 11:53 PM)
Thank you Carol, excellent picture !

You are welcome.

QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Jan 28 2006, 11:53 PM)
Do you have more of that building ?

Not that much. Among other things, it was featured in the movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0430436/ by Sergiu Nicolaescu.

Posted by: Carol I January 28, 2006 11:14 pm
QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Jan 28 2006, 11:53 PM)
Do you have more of that building ?

After the war it housed an orphanage and/or an asylum. Unfortunately this resulted in much destruction to the building.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 29, 2006 12:01 pm
Thanks for the info Carol !

Can anyone help me with the location of Bals ? Here is what I found with Encarta:

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And here is how my map looks:

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I made a little green circle where I think Bals should be - need some other opinions too smile.gif

Posted by: mabadesc January 30, 2006 03:43 pm
Carol,

A couple of questions, if you don't mind:

Is the Sturza building you found in the village of Miclauseni or is it in its vicinity? Is it in an isolated area?
Also, how far is Miclauseni from Suceava (approximately).

Thanks.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 30, 2006 05:05 pm
Carol could you pls place that palace on one of my maps ?

Posted by: dragos03 January 30, 2006 07:07 pm
The palace is somewhere south of Iasi. It is near the village of Miclauseni, in a forest. I visited it last year, when it was still under renovation.

During the communist times, this great palace was used as an orphanage.

Posted by: Carol I January 30, 2006 07:15 pm
QUOTE (mabadesc @ Jan 30 2006, 04:43 PM)
Is the Sturza building you found in the village of Miclauseni or is it in its vicinity?  Is it in an isolated area?
Also, how far is Miclauseni from Suceava (approximately).

Dragos03 has answered the first two questions, so it remains only the one about distance. I would guess about 80-100 km from Suceava, depending on the route you choose.

Posted by: Carol I January 30, 2006 07:20 pm
QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Jan 30 2006, 06:05 PM)
Carol could you pls place that palace on one of my maps ?

On the highway from Târgu Frumos to Roman, just before exiting Iaşi County there is a road to Butea. The village of Miclăuşeni is part of comuna Butea (what is English for comună?).

P.S. I have never been there (in contrast to Dragos03).

Posted by: Carol I January 30, 2006 07:28 pm
QUOTE (dragos03 @ Jan 30 2006, 08:07 PM)
During the communist times, this great palace was used as an orphanage.

I think it actually was a "school for children with special needs", meaning school for handicapped children (I guess with all the problems of the past regime associated with such an institution - I hope I am wrong).

Posted by: dragos03 January 30, 2006 07:32 pm
I should have some pictures with the palace, i will try to find them.

Posted by: dragos03 January 30, 2006 07:42 pm
Actually i will try to find pics i made with various palaces and strongholds and i'll post them in a new topic in "General Discussion".

Posted by: mabadesc February 02, 2006 03:24 pm
Thanks!

Posted by: dragos03 February 02, 2006 03:36 pm
I couldn't find them yet. I'll keep looking.

Posted by: yogy February 10, 2006 06:46 pm
Yes, Dragos, please. We would be very lucky if we could get more data on that palace rolleyes.gif .

Thanks!

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu February 13, 2006 10:28 am
How many big operations took place in Moldova '44 ? I know about Targul Frumos in May and about Iasi-Chisinau offensive in August, were there any other big scale operations ?

Posted by: Carol I February 13, 2006 07:26 pm
QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Feb 13 2006, 11:28 AM)
How many big operations took place in Moldova '44 ? I know about Targul Frumos in May and about Iasi-Chisinau offensive in August, were there any other big scale operations ?

It appears there was someting in the end of May 1944 as well. Take a look http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1527&view=findpost&p=28958.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu February 14, 2006 09:26 am
QUOTE (Constantin Isarescu)
. On 28, 29, 30 May 1944 we and the Germans have tried to take the Russians out of their positions. Our attack area extended from Ungheni to Târgu Frumos. Our objective was to get the Russians down to Jijia. We have even managed to repel them over the Prut. On the other side, from Târgu Frumos to Piatra Neamţ, our offensive did not succeed



That's about all sad.gif I need to find detailed info about such operations.
Was there any big operation on starting 22nd june 1944 put up by the soviets ? (on the Moldova front ofcourse)

Posted by: Victor February 14, 2006 10:07 am
The only big operations were the Battle of Targul Frumos and the Jassy-Kishinev offensive. The rest were just local attacks.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu February 14, 2006 12:35 pm
As I read about Iasi-Chisinau offensive I notice that in August the frontline from the Axis pow was better then in may - it was further north on Bahlui river (between Munteni and Carpiti), how and when did they improve that frontline ?

Also, I am trying to find Tartasesti which is suppose to be in the middle of romanian 6th army corp (where the soviets managed a deep breach during the August offensive), was not able to find it on my maps and neither in Encarta. Anyone knows where this village is ?

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu February 15, 2006 05:46 pm
Anyone knows where the village "Coasta Iasilor" is/was ? on 21st the soviets made a brakethrough in that area.

Posted by: mabadesc May 04, 2006 03:11 am
Does anyone have the OOB of the Soviet armies of 2nd Ukrainian front facing Moldova on 20 - 23 August 1944?

Also, an OOB of the German 6th and 8th Armies during the same period of time would help.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Alexei2102 May 05, 2006 04:56 am
QUOTE (mabadesc @ May 4 2006, 03:11 AM)
Does anyone have the OOB of the Soviet armies of 2nd Ukrainian front facing Moldova on 20 - 23 August 1944?

Also, an OOB of the German 6th and 8th Armies during the same period of time would help.

Thanks in advance.

I may be able to help you with some material. Contact me please. I have some books on this matter.

Al

PS - Some minor info

6. Armee was destroyed at Stalingrad 31 Jan 1943 and was reformed Mar 1943.


Commanders
Generalfeldmarschall Walter von Reichenau (20 Oct 1939 - 1 Jan 1942)
Generalfeldmarschall Friedrich Paulus (1 Jan 1942 - 31 Jan 1943)
Generaloberst Karl Hollidt (5 Mar 1943 - 22 Nov 1943)
General der Artillerie Maximilian de Angelis (22 Nov 1943 - 19 Dec 1943)
Generaloberst Karl Hollidt (19 Dec 1943 - 8 Apr 1944)
General der Artillerie Maximilian de Angelis (8 Apr 1944 - 17 July 1944)
General der Artillerie Maximilian Fretter-Pico (17 July 1944 - 22 Dec 1944)
General der Panzertruppen Hermann Balck (23 Dec 1944 - 8 May 1945)


Order of battle (19 Nov 1942)

HQ

IV Corps

29th (Mot.) Infantry Division

297th Infantry Division

371st Infantry Division

VII Corps

76th Infantry Division

113th Infantry Division

XI Corps

44th Infantry Division

376th Infantry Division

384th Infantry Division

XIV Panzer Corps

3rd (Mot.) Infantry Division

60th (Mot.) Infantry Division

16th Panzer Division

LI Corps

71st Infantry Division

79th Infantry Division

94th Infantry Division

100th Jäger Division

295th Infantry Division

305th Infantry Division

389th Infantry Division

14th Panzer Division

24th Panzer Division

9th Flak Division

51st, 53rd Mortar Regiment

2nd, 30th Nebelwerfer Regiment

4th, 46th, 64th, 70th Artillery Regiment

54th, 616th, 627th, 849th Artillery Battalion

49th, 101st, 733rd Heavy-artillery Battalion

6th, 41st Pioneer Battalion



Posted by: Victor May 05, 2006 06:06 am
Unfortunately I am away from most of my books, so this the best I can do for now:

6th Army
7th Corps: Romanian 14th and German 106th and 370th Infantry Divisions
24th Corps: German 62nd, 258th, 282nd and 335th Infantry Divisions
52nd Corps: German 161st, 294th, 320th and 384th Infantry Divisions
30th Corps: German 15th, 257th, 302nd and 306th Infantry Divisions
13th Panzer Division

8th Army
Romanian 4th Corps: Romanian 3rd and 7th Infantry and 5th Cavalry Divisions, 102nd Mountain Brigade
German 4th Corps: Romanian 11th and German 79th and 376th Infantry Divisions

2nd Ukrainian Front
7th Guards Army
27th Army
40th Army
46th Army
53rd Army
6th Guards Tank Army

Posted by: Carol I May 05, 2006 08:07 am
From the article http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1263:

2nd Ukrainian Front also contained the 52nd Army that actually took Iaşi on 21 August 1944 (see http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=828).

The article also gives the names of the commanders of some of the units involved in the battles in the summer of 1944):

German Army Group South Ukraine - General Johannes Friessner
German Sixth Army - General Maximilian Fretter-Pico
7th Corps - Hell
24th Corps
52nd Corps - Lt. Gen. Erich Buschenhagen
294th Infantry Division - Brigadier General Werner von Eichstadt
384th Infantry Division - Maj. Gen. Hans de Salengre-Drabbe
30th Corps - Maj. Gen. Georg Postel
257th Infantry Division - Brig. Gen. Friedrich Blümke
302nd Infantry Divisions - Gen. Erick von Bogen
13th Panzer Division - Maj. Gen. Hans Tröger
76th Infantry Division - Maj. Gen. Erich Abraham
79th Infantry Division - Maj. Gen. Friedrich-August Weinknecht
10th Panzergrenadier Division - Colonel Walter Ackermann

Luftflotte 4 - Maj. Gen. Paul Deichmann
German Eighth Army
Romanian Third Army
Romanian Fourth Army
4th Army Corps - General Friedrich Mieth


Soviet Second Ukrainian Front - Marshal Rodion Malinovsky
6th Guards Tank Army - Lt. Gen. A. G. Kravchenko
7th Guards Army
27th Army - General S. G. Trofimenko
52nd Army - Lt. Gen. K.A. Koroteyev
53rd Army
Mechanized cavalry group - General S. I. Gorshkov
18th Tank Corps - Maj. Gen. V.I. Polozkov
4th Guards Army

Soviet Third Ukrainian Front - Marshal Fyodor I. Tolbukhin
37th Army
46th Army - General I. T. Schlemin
57th Army
Mechanized cavalry group - General P. S. Pliev
4th Guards Mechanized Corps
7th Guards Mechanized Corps
5th Shock Army

Posted by: yogy September 10, 2009 07:26 pm
QUOTE (Victor @ November 27, 2005 08:15 pm)
Podu Iloaiei should definately be there and Lespezi also. These were targets for Romanian fighter-bombers. Maybe also Ruginoasa. Are interested also in locations for ground fighting?

I working on a campaign in IL2 for the Bessarabia-map. Can you please provide some detailed infos or a source for these Fighter-bomber operations?

Posted by: synergy October 11, 2009 08:45 pm
Camrades, HELP!

For me very interesting book - Hans Kissel: Die Katastrophe in Rumänien 1944, Darmstadt 1964. May be anybody can help me?

Posted by: Victor October 11, 2009 10:11 pm
QUOTE (yogy @ September 10, 2009 09:26 pm)
QUOTE (Victor @ November 27, 2005 08:15 pm)
Podu Iloaiei should definately be there and Lespezi also. These were targets for Romanian fighter-bombers. Maybe also Ruginoasa. Are interested also in locations for ground fighting?

I working on a campaign in IL2 for the Bessarabia-map. Can you please provide some detailed infos or a source for these Fighter-bomber operations?

You will find the details here: http://www.worldwar2.ro/arr/?article=579

Posted by: yogy October 14, 2009 07:44 pm
Vctor, thank you! Interesting details about their missions in Iasi area as well as about the fightings in Slovakia!

synergy, I have read that book and scanned some pages. Drop me a PM, if you like.

Posted by: synergy January 08, 2010 11:10 pm
Yogy, many thanks for you proposition about book!

Some times ago I receive it in all and now translate it. Have you something also about April - August 1944 (8 AOK and 6 AOK)? May be something maps or other materials? I have some interesting materials - books and maps and I can change with you or anybody for maps and documents which interesting for me.

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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SlFGE25TWBPeikmCpzqWdYOYb0AmIadJ

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