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|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 27, 2005 01:45 pm|
| Can you please ahve a look at this map and let me know if there are any locations that should be in it - important locations for 1944 operations - ? Also please correct any mistakes I made (names/rivers/roads) - this is really important.
|Posted by: Carol I November 27, 2005 06:41 pm|
| You may want to take a look at the map below (from Iaşi City Council).
Ungheni, Podu Iloaiei, Ruginoasa and Moţca for example are missing from your map. You also missed the diacritics in some of the names (Paşcani, Leţcani).
|Posted by: Victor November 27, 2005 08:15 pm|
|Podu Iloaiei should definately be there and Lespezi also. These were targets for Romanian fighter-bombers. Maybe also Ruginoasa. Are interested also in locations for ground fighting?|
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 27, 2005 09:32 pm|
| Thank you Carol and Victor !
Yes Victor, ground action also important. Will try to put "Podul Ilioaei" (how is it correct: Iloaiei or Ilioaiei ?) and Lespezi - will give a yell if I am unable
|Posted by: Carol I November 27, 2005 09:44 pm|
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 28, 2005 07:41 pm|
|I need help finding Lespezi please|
|Posted by: Carol I November 28, 2005 08:26 pm|
Look 15 km north of Paşcani.
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 28, 2005 09:41 pm|
|Got it, thanks|
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 29, 2005 08:53 am|
|Can someone pls make a short resume of what happened to Lerspezi ? And if possible provide a map of the operations in that area|
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 30, 2005 11:07 am|
|Anyone knows if the airfield and airport from today Iasi were same during ww2 ? (I mean if the location of today's aeroclub airfield and iasi airport is on the ww2 location of airfields) ?|
|Posted by: Carol I November 30, 2005 11:23 am|
Most likely: http://www.aeroport.ro/airport%20presentation.htm.
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 30, 2005 02:03 pm|
|Thank you Carol - nice find !|
|Posted by: Carol I November 30, 2005 03:40 pm|
Do you have photos of the old airport or were you interested in the location only?
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 30, 2005 04:32 pm|
|Unfortunaetlly I do not - I was hoping to get at least the location right.. If anyone has ANY photos at all with airfields in Moldova/Basarbia, please contact me, I really need them (they are not for personal use but for a better understanding of romanian cotribution at ww2).|
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 18, 2006 08:59 am|
|Does anyone have aerial hptographs of Moldavian crop fiels during ww2 ? I am interested to see how they were shaped - if it was any different from what we see today.|
|Posted by: mabadesc January 18, 2006 02:20 pm|
One more correction for your map:
On your map you have "Midauseni". The correct name is "Miclauseni", according to the 4th Army's Journal of Operations.
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 18, 2006 02:50 pm|
|rgr - thanks, I didn't notice I wrote Midauseni back then after reading more, now I know it is Miclauseni but I wouldn't have noticed on this map - thanks for pointing out !|
|Posted by: jivana January 18, 2006 09:42 pm|
Where can you find this Journal of Operations, where can you read it?
|Posted by: mabadesc January 19, 2006 07:09 pm|
| You can read it at the military archives in Pitesti.
If you're looking for one or two specific days, I can post here or email you a scan of those pages if you wish. But I only have a few weeks in August '44, September '44, December '44, and Feb/March '45.
|Posted by: jivana January 19, 2006 07:33 pm|
| Hi mabadesc,
I´m very much interested in the days 22nd, 23rd and 24th of August ´44 and I´d be very glad if I had the opportunity to read them.
Thanks in advance
|Posted by: Carol I January 28, 2006 06:23 pm|
In Miclăuşeni there is an interesting palace of the Sturza family. The palace fared surprisingly well the war, only to be damaged later...
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 28, 2006 10:53 pm|
|Thank you Carol, excellent picture ! Do you have more of that building ? from other angles or aerials maybe ?|
|Posted by: Carol I January 28, 2006 11:07 pm|
You are welcome.
Not that much. Among other things, it was featured in the movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0430436/ by Sergiu Nicolaescu.
|Posted by: Carol I January 28, 2006 11:14 pm|
After the war it housed an orphanage and/or an asylum. Unfortunately this resulted in much destruction to the building.
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 29, 2006 12:01 pm|
| Thanks for the info Carol !
Can anyone help me with the location of Bals ? Here is what I found with Encarta:
And here is how my map looks:
I made a little green circle where I think Bals should be - need some other opinions too
|Posted by: mabadesc January 30, 2006 03:43 pm|
A couple of questions, if you don't mind:
Is the Sturza building you found in the village of Miclauseni or is it in its vicinity? Is it in an isolated area?
Also, how far is Miclauseni from Suceava (approximately).
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 30, 2006 05:05 pm|
|Carol could you pls place that palace on one of my maps ?|
|Posted by: dragos03 January 30, 2006 07:07 pm|
| The palace is somewhere south of Iasi. It is near the village of Miclauseni, in a forest. I visited it last year, when it was still under renovation.
During the communist times, this great palace was used as an orphanage.
|Posted by: Carol I January 30, 2006 07:15 pm|
Dragos03 has answered the first two questions, so it remains only the one about distance. I would guess about 80-100 km from Suceava, depending on the route you choose.
|Posted by: Carol I January 30, 2006 07:20 pm|
On the highway from Târgu Frumos to Roman, just before exiting Iaşi County there is a road to Butea. The village of Miclăuşeni is part of comuna Butea (what is English for comună?).
P.S. I have never been there (in contrast to Dragos03).
|Posted by: Carol I January 30, 2006 07:28 pm|
I think it actually was a "school for children with special needs", meaning school for handicapped children (I guess with all the problems of the past regime associated with such an institution - I hope I am wrong).
|Posted by: dragos03 January 30, 2006 07:32 pm|
|I should have some pictures with the palace, i will try to find them.|
|Posted by: dragos03 January 30, 2006 07:42 pm|
|Actually i will try to find pics i made with various palaces and strongholds and i'll post them in a new topic in "General Discussion".|
|Posted by: mabadesc February 02, 2006 03:24 pm|
|Posted by: dragos03 February 02, 2006 03:36 pm|
|I couldn't find them yet. I'll keep looking.|
|Posted by: yogy February 10, 2006 06:46 pm|
| Yes, Dragos, please. We would be very lucky if we could get more data on that palace .
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu February 13, 2006 10:28 am|
|How many big operations took place in Moldova '44 ? I know about Targul Frumos in May and about Iasi-Chisinau offensive in August, were there any other big scale operations ?|
|Posted by: Carol I February 13, 2006 07:26 pm|
It appears there was someting in the end of May 1944 as well. Take a look http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1527&view=findpost&p=28958.
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu February 14, 2006 09:26 am|
That's about all I need to find detailed info about such operations.
Was there any big operation on starting 22nd june 1944 put up by the soviets ? (on the Moldova front ofcourse)
|Posted by: Victor February 14, 2006 10:07 am|
|The only big operations were the Battle of Targul Frumos and the Jassy-Kishinev offensive. The rest were just local attacks.|
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu February 14, 2006 12:35 pm|
| As I read about Iasi-Chisinau offensive I notice that in August the frontline from the Axis pow was better then in may - it was further north on Bahlui river (between Munteni and Carpiti), how and when did they improve that frontline ?
Also, I am trying to find Tartasesti which is suppose to be in the middle of romanian 6th army corp (where the soviets managed a deep breach during the August offensive), was not able to find it on my maps and neither in Encarta. Anyone knows where this village is ?
|Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu February 15, 2006 05:46 pm|
|Anyone knows where the village "Coasta Iasilor" is/was ? on 21st the soviets made a brakethrough in that area.|
|Posted by: mabadesc May 04, 2006 03:11 am|
| Does anyone have the OOB of the Soviet armies of 2nd Ukrainian front facing Moldova on 20 - 23 August 1944?
Also, an OOB of the German 6th and 8th Armies during the same period of time would help.
Thanks in advance.
|Posted by: Alexei2102 May 05, 2006 04:56 am|
I may be able to help you with some material. Contact me please. I have some books on this matter.
PS - Some minor info
6. Armee was destroyed at Stalingrad 31 Jan 1943 and was reformed Mar 1943.
Generalfeldmarschall Walter von Reichenau (20 Oct 1939 - 1 Jan 1942)
Generalfeldmarschall Friedrich Paulus (1 Jan 1942 - 31 Jan 1943)
Generaloberst Karl Hollidt (5 Mar 1943 - 22 Nov 1943)
General der Artillerie Maximilian de Angelis (22 Nov 1943 - 19 Dec 1943)
Generaloberst Karl Hollidt (19 Dec 1943 - 8 Apr 1944)
General der Artillerie Maximilian de Angelis (8 Apr 1944 - 17 July 1944)
General der Artillerie Maximilian Fretter-Pico (17 July 1944 - 22 Dec 1944)
General der Panzertruppen Hermann Balck (23 Dec 1944 - 8 May 1945)
Order of battle (19 Nov 1942)
29th (Mot.) Infantry Division
297th Infantry Division
371st Infantry Division
76th Infantry Division
113th Infantry Division
44th Infantry Division
376th Infantry Division
384th Infantry Division
XIV Panzer Corps
3rd (Mot.) Infantry Division
60th (Mot.) Infantry Division
16th Panzer Division
71st Infantry Division
79th Infantry Division
94th Infantry Division
100th Jäger Division
295th Infantry Division
305th Infantry Division
389th Infantry Division
14th Panzer Division
24th Panzer Division
9th Flak Division
51st, 53rd Mortar Regiment
2nd, 30th Nebelwerfer Regiment
4th, 46th, 64th, 70th Artillery Regiment
54th, 616th, 627th, 849th Artillery Battalion
49th, 101st, 733rd Heavy-artillery Battalion
6th, 41st Pioneer Battalion
|Posted by: Victor May 05, 2006 06:06 am|
| Unfortunately I am away from most of my books, so this the best I can do for now:
7th Corps: Romanian 14th and German 106th and 370th Infantry Divisions
24th Corps: German 62nd, 258th, 282nd and 335th Infantry Divisions
52nd Corps: German 161st, 294th, 320th and 384th Infantry Divisions
30th Corps: German 15th, 257th, 302nd and 306th Infantry Divisions
13th Panzer Division
Romanian 4th Corps: Romanian 3rd and 7th Infantry and 5th Cavalry Divisions, 102nd Mountain Brigade
German 4th Corps: Romanian 11th and German 79th and 376th Infantry Divisions
2nd Ukrainian Front
7th Guards Army
6th Guards Tank Army
|Posted by: Carol I May 05, 2006 08:07 am|
| From the article http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1263:
2nd Ukrainian Front also contained the 52nd Army that actually took Iaşi on 21 August 1944 (see http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=828).
The article also gives the names of the commanders of some of the units involved in the battles in the summer of 1944):
German Army Group South Ukraine - General Johannes Friessner
German Sixth Army - General Maximilian Fretter-Pico
7th Corps - Hell
52nd Corps - Lt. Gen. Erich Buschenhagen
294th Infantry Division - Brigadier General Werner von Eichstadt
384th Infantry Division - Maj. Gen. Hans de Salengre-Drabbe
30th Corps - Maj. Gen. Georg Postel
257th Infantry Division - Brig. Gen. Friedrich Blümke
302nd Infantry Divisions - Gen. Erick von Bogen
13th Panzer Division - Maj. Gen. Hans Tröger
76th Infantry Division - Maj. Gen. Erich Abraham
79th Infantry Division - Maj. Gen. Friedrich-August Weinknecht
10th Panzergrenadier Division - Colonel Walter Ackermann
Luftflotte 4 - Maj. Gen. Paul Deichmann
German Eighth Army
Romanian Third Army
Romanian Fourth Army
4th Army Corps - General Friedrich Mieth
Soviet Second Ukrainian Front - Marshal Rodion Malinovsky
6th Guards Tank Army - Lt. Gen. A. G. Kravchenko
7th Guards Army
27th Army - General S. G. Trofimenko
52nd Army - Lt. Gen. K.A. Koroteyev
Mechanized cavalry group - General S. I. Gorshkov
18th Tank Corps - Maj. Gen. V.I. Polozkov
4th Guards Army
Soviet Third Ukrainian Front - Marshal Fyodor I. Tolbukhin
46th Army - General I. T. Schlemin
Mechanized cavalry group - General P. S. Pliev
4th Guards Mechanized Corps
7th Guards Mechanized Corps
5th Shock Army
|Posted by: yogy September 10, 2009 07:26 pm|
I working on a campaign in IL2 for the Bessarabia-map. Can you please provide some detailed infos or a source for these Fighter-bomber operations?
|Posted by: synergy October 11, 2009 08:45 pm|
| Camrades, HELP!
For me very interesting book - Hans Kissel: Die Katastrophe in Rumänien 1944, Darmstadt 1964. May be anybody can help me?
|Posted by: Victor October 11, 2009 10:11 pm|
You will find the details here: http://www.worldwar2.ro/arr/?article=579
|Posted by: yogy October 14, 2009 07:44 pm|
| Vctor, thank you! Interesting details about their missions in Iasi area as well as about the fightings in Slovakia!
synergy, I have read that book and scanned some pages. Drop me a PM, if you like.
|Posted by: synergy January 08, 2010 11:10 pm|
| Yogy, many thanks for you proposition about book!
Some times ago I receive it in all and now translate it. Have you something also about April - August 1944 (8 AOK and 6 AOK)? May be something maps or other materials? I have some interesting materials - books and maps and I can change with you or anybody for maps and documents which interesting for me.
|Posted by: Petre February 10, 2019 05:30 pm|
|Posted by: Petre March 19, 2021 05:30 am|
| Source - Internet
T.P. Malyutina : The 4th Romanian army in the military operations «Sonya» and «Katya» (May-June 1944)
with a translation :
|Posted by: Petre March 27, 2021 05:02 am|
| Source - Internet
T.P. Malyutina : August 1944. The last war of the Leader Ion Antonescu
with a translation here :
|Posted by: Dénes April 17, 2021 07:09 pm|
| Thanks for the source, Petre.
|Posted by: Petre April 24, 2021 09:43 am|
| One of the O.o.B. / Heeresgruppe Sudukraine. Somewhere in summer (aug. ?) 1944.
Korpsgruppen (Gruppen) Mieth and Kirchner were still present.
|Posted by: Petre May 04, 2021 02:21 pm|
| Sources : romanian works.
Operation „Sonya”. Command issues.
|Posted by: amz May 10, 2021 06:32 am|
Excellent material! From where do you have it?
|Posted by: Petre May 10, 2021 04:49 pm|
1. Book : Istoricul Regimentului 4 ”Arges” ... (Centrul arhive Pite?ti)
2. ”Rel. mil. româno-germane, 1939 - 44”. Arhivele mil. Editura ”Gen. St. Gusa”
|Posted by: amz May 13, 2021 09:02 am|
|Multumesc, istoricul Reg. 4 Arges l-am citit demult, asa ca aveam o vaga banuiala insa am gasit si cea de-a doua carte cu documentele acum, excelenta sursa|
|Posted by: Petre October 01, 2021 04:10 am|
| Source https://historyrussia.org/
Documents about the presence of the Red Army north of Romania, 1944
|Posted by: Dénes October 01, 2021 05:29 am|
|Very interesting documents, Petre! Many thanks for the upload.|
|Posted by: Petre October 07, 2021 12:31 pm|
| Source https://historyrussia.org/
Documents about the presence of the Red Army north of Romania, 1944
Raportul Sefului Bir. Politic al Div.214 tragatori catre Seful Dir. Pol. a Frontului 2 Ucrainean despre discutiile individuale purtate la 24 si 25 iulie 1944 în satul Sipotele, jud. Iasi
( ... ) Discutiile au fost purtate în satul mentionat cu psalmistul Ioan Tâlca, cu juristul Iancu Bâlteanu si cu proprietarul Alexuc.
Toti au vorbit despre România ca tara ce lupta contra Rusiei doar la presiunile Germaniei. Poporul n-a dorit razboiul. Razboiul contra Rusiei reprezinta urmarea politicii aventuriste a guvernarii Antonescu. Germanii, infiltrându-se în România, apoi în cursul raboiului ocupând de fapt toate centrele vitale ale României, au adus România în dependenta de Germania. România ar iesi bucuroasa din razboi, dar acum nu poate face asta singura.
Acum ei sunt convinsi ca germanii nu sunt atât aliati, cât ocupanti.
Germania face presiuni nu doar pe linia continuarii razboiului, dar face presiuni si pe linia asigurarii scoaterii din România a celor mai importante feluri de materii prime.
Psalmistul Ion Tâlca spune ca în ultima vreme s-a confiscat pâine si alte produse agricole de la tarani, prin perchezitii. Multi tarani au fost arestati si întemnitati pentru ca nu au dat pâine. Acest jaf a dus uneori la iesiri contra germanilor, cu sprijin chiar din partea militarilor români. Juristul Iancu Bâlteanu a relatat un fapt de ciocnire armata a soldatilor români cu germanii în orasul Roman, care au comis jafuri la fabrica de zahar, si a spus ca în relatiile reciproce germanii se comporta ca stapânii.
Iancu Bâlteanu si-a exprimat parerea ca mersul viitoarelor evenimente va duce neconditionat la îndepartarea guvernarii criminale Antonescu si venirea la putere a Regelui Carol II si a guvernului Tatarascu,Bratianu. Aceasta guvernare a fost mereu adepta a pacii si prieteniei cu URSS si cu tarile democratice Anglia si America.
Alipirea Transilvaniei la Ungaria ei o considera o mare nedreptate.
Iancu Bâlteanu considera ca, deoarece Transilvania apartine istoric României, dupa razboi aceasta problema trebuie hotarâta de o comisie internationala în favoarea României.
România, unu la unu cu Ungaria, este gata sa rezolve aceasta problema chiar si prin razboi. Referindu-se la problema Basarabiei, ei sustin ca poporul român nu are pretentii la acest teritoriu, deoarece Basarabia din timpuri de demult apartine rusilor, disputa acuta în jurul Transilvaniei urmeaza sa fie rezolvata cu siguranta în favoarea României.
Ion Tâlca în discutii, caracterizând Armata Rosie, a declarat ca populatia româneasca vede în Armata Rosie armata eliberatoare a poporului român. A aratat chiar textul unei rugaciuni pe care a scris-o, convins fiind de misiunea eliberatoare a Armatei Rosii. În acea rugaciune el îl roaga pe Domnul sa pedepseasca pe vinovatii acestui razboi si sa dea biruinta armatei care elibereaza de hitlerism.
Iancu Bâltianu spune ca între poporul român traieste cu o singura speranta, ca Armata Rosie sa mearga înainte si sa-i alunge pe germani de pe teritoriul României.
Despre aprecierea evenimentelor din Germania, Ion Tâlca si Iancu Bâlteanu au spus ca Germania a intrat în faza unei mari crize politice. Mai mult, dupa parearea lor, aceasta duce la slabirea Germaniei si la întarirea autonomiei României. Asta va duce la grabirea sfârsitului razboiului.
Proprietarul Alexuc la discutii si-a expus punctul sau de vedere asupra evenimentelor din Germania (atentatul ?). El considera ca este vorba o alta inventie a lui Hitler, ca este un joc legat de imposibilitatea stavilirii ofensivei Armatei Rosii. Hitler gândeste ca asta va duce la un dialog al Germaniei cu Uniunea Sovietica, iar în acest timp va pregati o noua lovitura asupra Uniunii Sovietice.
În discutii a fost pusa o întrebare despre biserica rusa si legat de aceasta a fost explicata politica guvernului nostru fata de libertatea de constiinta si a credintei, precum si despre existenta unui comitet pe problemele bisericii crestine, pe lânga Cons. Comisarilor Poporului al URSS.
Pe timpul discutiilor au fost date deasemenea explicatii în conformitate cu Decretul Comitetului de Stat al Apararii din URSS din 10.4.44 si despre declaratiile tov. Molotov din 2.04.44.
Seful Biroului Politic
TzAMO RF, Fond 240, Opis 2772, Dosar 125, p. 253
Raportul Sefului Biroului Politic al Div. 214 tragatori catre Seful Dir. Politice a Frontului 2 Ucrainean, A.N. Tevcenkov - 1 sept. 1944.
La 1 sept în s. Tsibanesti, jud. Vaslui s-a desfasurat o adunare cu locuitorii satului Tibanesti si ai satelor apartinatoare Gârbesti, Razboeni, Jigoreni, Gaureni (?).
Au participat peste 200 oameni.
La adunare au fost citite :
1. Evenimentele din România (dupa materialele MAE).
2. Informare privind conditiile armistitiului cu România, propuse de Guv. sovietic în aprilie 1944.
3. Situatia din Bulgaria si o informare TASS.
4. Declaratia Guvernului sovietic din aprilie 1944.
5. Informarea operativa a SovInformBiuro din 31 august.
La primele trei puncte a fost data o scurta recenzie internationala.
În interventia sa, Stoica Constantin din s. Tsibanesti, 39 ani, a spus ca întreaga populatie româneasca saluta calduros trecerea României de partea Armatei Rosii si aliatilor ei. Prin aceasta România si-a asigurat eliberarea de sub jugul Germaniei fasciste si restabilirea independentei sale. Informatiile despre conditiile armistitiului cu România, propuse de guv sovietic în apr. 1944, în care s-au prezentat sase conditii ale armistitiului ..., acceptate de noul guvern român, fac posibila alipirea Transilvaniei la România, ceea ce reprezinta dorinta românilor care traiesc în Transilvania. Acum sarcina întregii populatii române este sa acorde colaborare deplina Armatei Rosii si noului guvern al României pentru a grabi alungarea nemtilor de pe teritoriul României.
Alt localnic al satului, Gaban Vasile, 32 ani, a spus ca totata durata aliantei României cu Germania fascista a fost total nefericita pentru tara. Germania a jefuit nepedepsita România si pâna la urma a transformat România într-un teren de actiuni de razboi. Doar victoria Armatei Rosii a scapat România de la catastrofa definitiva. Acum armata româna împreuna cu Armata Rosie si cu armatele aliate elibereaza România de bandele fasciste si îi elibereaza pe fratii din Transilvania. Fiecare român si românca trebuie se ajute Armatei Rosii sa-i bata pe nemti si sa elimine bandele de nemti care se ascund prin paduri.
Al treilea localnic, Ungureanu Vasile, 47 ani, cheama populatia sa întâmpine Armata Rosie ca pe eliberatoarea lor si sa-i acorde tot sprijinul. Cuvântul lui s-a încheiat cu o urare de sanatate în cinstea Armatei Rosii, la care toti cei prezenti s-au ridicat amabili.
Seful Biroului Politic,
Locot.col. garda Iarovoi
TzAMO RF, Fond 240, Opis 2772, Dosar 125, p. 240.