On one side an "A" and a girl holding either a spear either part of a flag pole.
Or could it be one of those traditional "fus"? (just dawned on me)
On the other side a "C" and "TASSET".
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| Posted by: Imperialist April 05, 2006 02:54 pm |
| I know this is maybe too much to ask, but I found this part of a coin, and I wonder if anyone could make out what it was. It was cut or broken. I found it buried in the courtyard by sheer luck, it rained the previous days so the silt/little rocks was pretty much washed away. On one side an "A" and a girl holding either a spear either part of a flag pole. Or could it be one of those traditional "fus"? (just dawned on me) On the other side a "C" and "TASSET". |
| Posted by: dragos03 April 05, 2006 03:04 pm |
| Looks like a silver coin of 2 lei or 1 leu, minted in 1910-1914: http://www.numismatica.as.ro/1867-1914/1910-2lei.htm |
| Posted by: Imperialist April 05, 2006 03:13 pm | ||
Wow, many thanks Dragos! Cant wait for my next trip to the countryside now that I have an idea about what lies out there. I'll dig around the whole courtyard.  take care |
| Posted by: Imperialist April 05, 2006 06:46 pm |
| Guys, this is very interesting. I looked with a magnifier and the coin was deliberately cut. The fact that the girl's figure was so carefully framed along with important "TASSET" clue, makes me think the person who did it wanted to leave behind a time capsule of some sort. Its unbelievable. Some peasant stood on the sun-scortched "prispa", carefully cut this coin and threw it or buried it. Thinking about the feelings someone in the future will have when (and if) finding something so mysterious. And maybe 96 years later I found it by chance. An object so small -- its barely 1,5 cm.  |
| Posted by: b737 April 06, 2006 06:48 am |
| I think that this is a rest from a coin that was used to make a ring by the gipsies! During the comunist period a lot of silver coins were "transformed" by nomad gipsies into rings! A lot of people have distroyed their silver coins in this way! |
| Posted by: Carol I April 06, 2006 06:52 am | ||
I do not want to disappoint you, but it is rather unlikely that things went as you mentioned. It happened in the past that old silver coins were cut and the material used for other purposes, like jewellery for example. I think that the fragment you found is more likely to have been lost rather than deliberately buried in the ground. |
| Posted by: Carol I April 06, 2006 06:54 am |
B737 was faster.  |
| Posted by: Imperialist April 06, 2006 09:58 am | ||
I agree, they had to do something with the rest of the coin, but the way this fragment was cut makes me think it was deliberately done to leave TASSET there and the girl's image (irrespective if it was done in 1920s or 1950s). If it wasnt deliberate then the chances of keeping TASSET there undamaged by the close cut along with a distinct image and me finding it are pretty impressive. Maybe I should play at the lottery this week. Anyway, thank you and Carol I for the info. I'll do some research in the village when I get back and post it if its relevant. Or if I find something new around the courtyard. take care |
| Posted by: cipiamon April 06, 2006 12:51 pm |
In the last weekend i digged a hole in my grandmothers backyard and i found a bone from a finger  Maby tonight i will post pictures at in the Battlefields findings in the grounds topic, i have a verry bad connection right now. |
| Posted by: Carol I April 06, 2006 01:09 pm | ||
I still think it is only a coincidence as neither the girl nor the "TASSET" inscription is centred on the coin fragment. Both the girl and the inscription are on the same axis and therefore centring one would have meant centring the other as well. You may carry on looking, but do not have high hopes. |
| Posted by: dragos03 April 06, 2006 01:19 pm |
I think Imperialist is right, it's not a coincidence. It was left like that on purpose, as a sign, and probably a hoard of silver and gold coins is buried several meters under it.  |
| Posted by: Imperialist April 06, 2006 02:15 pm | ||
You can see on the side of the girl a first attempt of cutting (that long "sant" near the side, besides the fus). The coin was then turned and the cut proceeds diagonally downwards from the very edge of the last "T" in TASSET. I dont think that was by chance. Which makes me think he had a purpose for doing this. Also this was the most informationally useful (and somewhat beautiful) part of the coin and economically harmless to dispense with while making anything else with the rest. I dont have high hopes for my next search. I expect having less luck when actually searching for luck. Luck hits you when you least expect but then runs away if you try to catch more of it. take care |
| Posted by: Carol I April 10, 2006 07:45 am |
This is the rough cut of the coin. |
| Posted by: Dénes June 29, 2006 02:53 pm |
| Here's the scan of a coin I found on an unrelated site on the 'net, of a "Moldova and Wallachia, 2 Para, 3 Dengi, 1773". Reportedly, the coin displays the coats of arms of both Moldavia and Wallachia on the same side. A monetary union already in the XVIIIth Century? Just curious...   Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: dragos03 June 29, 2006 03:05 pm |
| I am not an expert in coins, but i think this is one of the "Sadagura" coins, minted by the Russians in order to be used by their army that occupied the Romanian principalities. Edit: Ideed, you can find more informations about these coins here: http://romaniancoins.ancients.info/sadagura.htm |
| Posted by: Carol I June 29, 2006 03:20 pm | ||
As far as I remember, these coins were minted by the Russians at Sadagura, near Cernăuţi, at a time when they began a war against the Porte and they intended to make them the official coin in their future territories. What is interesting is that they treated the Romanian Principalities of Moldavia and Walachia as a single entity even before they begun the campaign. I have even read a theory that Catherine the Great intended to unite the two principalities into a "Kingdom of Dacia" ruled by one of her sons (interesting hypothesis, but unfortunately unconfirmed). Returning to the coins, there were some problems with these coins even from the very beginning. Lack of precious metals (maybe the Russians hoped that their conquests would bring them) led to the coins being struck using cheap materials and hence their stated value was not covered by the metal content as was the custom of the time. An interesting thing however is that the coins provided an exchange rate between the currency used in the Romanian principalities at the time (the Paras) and the Russian equivalent (the Dengi). I do not remember however whether the stated exchange rate was real or was favouring the Russians (as they did only 100 years later with the occasion of the 1877-1878 war against the Porte). |
| Posted by: BG7M October 23, 2006 05:19 pm |
| Many infos about Sadagura coinage (both in romanian and english language) you can find into my site www.banivechi.home.ro (or www.banivechi.com) clicking on "Sadagura" link into main page. Down under the pictures of my coins you will find the short history of these coins. For the next "Colectionarul Roman" - the online numismatic magazine from www.transylvanian-numismatics.com I prepared a 5 pages article about Sadagura coinage. As a interesting detail, these coins were made from the bronze of approx 1000 turkish canons and mortars captured by Rumyantsov's army at Akkerman, Benderi, Danube forts,Brasov, Izmail! |
| Posted by: Florin November 29, 2006 11:19 pm | ||||
In the days of the Communist regime, it was common practice to cut from silver or gold coins as much the jewelry artist asked for whatever you needed: ear rings, wedding ring etc. You could not buy gold or silver before 1989, so you had to rely on this kind of belongings. It was possible in the 1960's to buy gold wedding rings from the State (i.e. government controlled business), but that was over by the 1970's. Maybe that fragment got buried before the Communist days, but I guess the practice I described was also in use in the old times. |
| Posted by: dragos03 January 07, 2007 09:18 pm |
| If anybody is interested in the story of the Sadagura coins, you can read BG7M's excellent article in Colectionarul Roman: http://www.worldwar2.ro/colectionarul/Colectionarul_Roman_7.pdf |
| Posted by: dacliber March 28, 2009 07:13 am |
| Hi Denes i have the same coin in my colection.It was a mystery coin for me until i see her at Minastirea Bistrita Museum.It is made from the bronze of the turkish canon and it is made after the ruso-turc war which is ended whith the peace at Kuciuk Kainargi.Romantic isnt'it?http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc05132bis.jpg http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc05134bis.jpg |
| Posted by: C-2 June 12, 2009 09:30 pm |
| http://img150.imageshack.us/i/dsc00349l.jpg/ Any ideea about the coin on the right? |
| Posted by: C-2 June 12, 2009 09:42 pm |
| http://img190.imageshack.us/i/dsc00350i.jpg/ The other side (of the coin).... |
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