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|Posted by: Victor January 24, 2008 06:25 pm|
|I just noticed on 6dorobanti.ro that there is a group in Romania reenacting the mountain troops and the 2nd Vanatori Regiment/Battalion.|
|Posted by: mihnea January 24, 2008 06:42 pm|
|Here you can read more about them but only in romanian: http://6dorobanti.ro/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1191259499|
|Posted by: Kepi January 25, 2008 08:30 am|
| This weekend the Mountain Group decided to participate at the Don Tour in Hungary. This is a annual commemoration march organized by some WW2 hungarian re-enacting groups to commemorate the soldiers who fell on the Eastern Front at the Don River Bent during the winter of 1942-43. They invited also some representatives of the old Axis allies to join them for this Tour. Even if the relationship between Romania and Hungary was not very good during that time, a group of Romanian reenactors (2 mountain rifles and 3 infantrymen of the 6th Dorobantzes regiment), equipped with WW2 romanian winter uniforms, decided to participate at this event in order to commemorate the romanian soldiers felt during the Battle of Stalingrad .
This Tour is not an easy task. The reenactors should march about 25 km every day, in severe winter conditions, with all the equipment and weapons (borrowed by the Hungarian reenactors) and at the end of the day they will present arms in front of some war monuments in the villages/towns where they will stay for the night. During the march there will be some tactical exercices – the Axis troops will be "attacked" by the partisans, etc.
The route of this march is Nagykáta - Jászberény – Jászfényszaru (about 100 kms East from Budapest). It started yesterday and will finish on Sunday, 27th of January.
It’s surprising that no one in Romania remembered the Battle of the Don River Bent, that occurred 65 years ago.
|Posted by: Victor January 25, 2008 09:25 am|
It's also surprising it received few attention on this foum:
|Posted by: Florin January 27, 2008 06:45 am|
I suggest a down to earth reenactment: Romanian soldiers going to the forest to gather some firewood, and as they are gathering firewood, they are "gathering" a partisan, too.
(It may sound funny, but it is a real situation happened to my grandfather. He was not alone when they captured the partisan.)
|Posted by: Victor January 27, 2008 09:55 am|
|Off topic posts have been split t oa new topic: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=4498|
|Posted by: CB1 January 27, 2008 08:04 pm|
Here are some photos about the tour mentioned above:
They arrived in the early morning...
...slipped into something more comfortable...
...and off we went to this place to pay a short visit.
Ah, there used to be a coat of arms on the statue, made of bronze. Well, there are certain people in Hungary in dire need of metal objects (preferably made of bronze, copper etc.). So, next time either mold it in plastic or booby trap it with plastic.
On the tour itself Romanians had good times...
...and bad times. This photo was taken after first day's march. After the second day it was much worse. RESPECT!
Operation "Jolly Roger" (if you know what I mean:-) ). Having learnt about your strict gun control rules (concerning even rusted pieces of metal dug from the ground) I can fully understand...
To put in some narrative: they expexted some 5-6-km marches then truckride, lunch and perhaps a second leg of another 5-km walk daily. Well, on the first day we managed to cover the 17-km distance between Nagykáta and Jászberény with a 30-km march. The second day was shorter but as the sun came out the dirt road thawed quickly and it was not JAN43 but rather OCT41. At noon we arrived at Pusztamonostor with trembling legs, where there was a celebration. The speaker put in an eclectic and especially long speach. Perhaps Hungarians and Romanians quarrel about things but this time our feelings were unanimous: all of us wanted to grab the old fart by his hair and smash his face hard against something solid...
They left this morning, are still on a Bucharest-bound train and still have three hours left of their journey. I am sure they are going to post loads of pictures.
|Posted by: ANDI January 28, 2008 06:56 am|
Congratulations to all the participants!
Thanks for sharing the pictures CB1!
|Posted by: mihnea January 28, 2008 01:35 pm|
| Krisz, do you have some other pics from the action it would be nice to see the other reenactors.
EDITED: I have removed a part of my post that could have been considered offensive.
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger January 28, 2008 02:03 pm|
| If you need any tips with regards foot care and ways to harden up the skin on the heels and feet, feel free to P.M. me.
We were used to clocking up 25 - 35+ km a day in the Irish Army by foot, hardening the feet is a gradual process, but there are some ways of easing the process by wearing the correct socks etc.. etc..
Please feel free to show pictures of all participants in this event, its time the "them" and "us" mentality was done away with in this day and age, re-enactors regardless of nationality are one big club.
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: mihnea January 28, 2008 02:38 pm|
I meant that the ones in the background are not clearly visible and there uniforms and equipment aren't clearly visible.
I'm not in any way nationalist or have something against Hungarians or Hungary. Also the Hungarian reenactors are far ahead of the Romanians reenactors on any chapter (my first reenactment was in Hungary so I know what I'm talking about).
I'm sorry if I was misunderstood or if I offended anybody.
|Posted by: mihnea January 28, 2008 03:59 pm|
|Now before anybody asks about the uniforms, they are communist era (but are inspired by the M1924 uniforms that were used by some units in WWII the big difference is the absence of the red piping and collar tabs) only the RSR buttons were changed also the caps are repros. The officer has a reproduction equipment but he is also the only "WWII veteran" from this group the rest are at their first WWII action.|
|Posted by: CB1 January 28, 2008 04:18 pm|
Us and them mentality: no trace of that, the tour went surprisingly smoothly. I do not say there were not certain jokes but they stayed within good manners. Before you ask, let me tell you an example: those who wanted could have a very short try at horse riding. As anywhere else here are also "initiation ceremonies" after the first ocassion (that usually includes hitting the novice's butt, this time with sword blade). The hussars had something like that in mind for poor Romanians but conditions did not allow for a longer ride for them. So the hussar, visible behind the horse, said that "We are mad about Transylvania and wanted to hit you in the ass very hard. But for this short ride there is no initiation." Mircea answered "Oh, you can have my ass anytime, but not Transylvania." We laughed.
NCR: by all means, publish your tips here not in a PM so any of us can profit from them. By the way, the problem this time was mainly arising from wearing brand new boots.
Photos: I do not want to spoil their fun. I am sure Kepi will rummage through their memory cards. Besides, I shot mainly short clips I can create "newsreel" from.
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger January 28, 2008 04:39 pm|
many thanks for your explanation
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: Kepi January 28, 2008 05:25 pm|
| Congratulation for the organizers and participants!
I wished to participate but unfortunately it was not possible because of other commitments. Hopefully the new created Mountain Group took the initiative and is great that some of the Dorobantzes joint them. I hope this is a good start for other common actions and do hope to have also some Hungarian reenactors in Romania for our events. They were most expected during our WW1 show of Fort Mogoshoaia of September 2006.
We plan a new reconstruction battle for September 2008 and hope that the Hungarian reenactors will participate. Bucharest is not far from Budapest – only one night travel by train – and a go/return ticket costs about 70 Euros.
|Posted by: gabi_dinisov January 29, 2008 10:30 pm|
This is the actual march. The shot was taken by Krisz after approx. 3 ore in the first day of march
THis was shot by me afterwards.
Now something with more touch...again shot by Krisz
...Speaking of Krisz...here he is! 8-)
..et, pour la piece de resistence...
|Posted by: RHaught February 05, 2008 10:36 pm|
| Love the pics. There will be four of us doing Romanian in two weeks so will post the pics. How can the greatcoats be found? Right now stuck using German and Russian overcoats and would like a source for items that are similiar or very similiar to Romanian.
Here are some links to the site we will be at:
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger February 06, 2008 06:49 am|
| Hallo gabi_dinisov,
In the picture of Kris lying on the ground no doubt enjoying his well earned break, can you tell me what is the 3 medal is on his uniform?
For CB1: I am putting together some information with regards foot-care and will post it shortly for you.
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: Kepi February 06, 2008 08:08 am|
There is a small confussion...
Krisz is a Hungarian reenactor and his wearing a hungarian artillery winter uniform with the M.1935 hungarian helmet on the last but one picture. He is the person who facilitate the contact between Romanian and Hungarian reenactors.
The guy lying on the ground, in the last photo, is our comrade of the 6th Guard Dorobantzes Group. That’s why he wears the crowns on the shoulder straps and aiguillettes, a decision criticized by some purist uniformologues – see the discussion on this subject: http://6dorobanti.ro/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1201094859/29#29 (unfortunately only in Romanian).
He carries a mixture of medals. Not all of them are real awards. The first is “Traditie militara” with several bars – the medal of the “6 Dorobantzes” Association; the second is the real “Barbatie si Credinta”, 3rd class, won by the great father of the wearer, who fought on the Eastern Front; the third is the medal of the Bulgarian Association “Traditsia”, awarded those reenactors who participated at the historical-military shows of Ploiesti and Plevna, in 2007. See also: http://6dorobanti.ro/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1183030516 (again in romanian)
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger February 06, 2008 04:34 pm|
| To my old eyes Kris and "he of no name"
look like twins
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: gabi_dinisov February 07, 2008 06:22 am|
First of all it's not Krisz in the picture, he is a colleague of mine who goes by the name Emil Boboescu, as for the medals I wouldn't dream of depriving him of the pleasure of telling you himself. As such, I will notify him about your interest in his medals and he will comply with your request.
|Posted by: gabi_dinisov February 07, 2008 06:25 am|
It looks like Kepi already answered your question about the medals
For anything else, I'm happy to oblige.
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger February 07, 2008 10:11 am|
"Slightly Off Topic"
many thanks, I am quite an avid collector of medals and new ones always interest me as well (someday even they will be old and collectable like me)
Please tell Emil I am interested in seeing some close up pics of his, I will post pictures on my service medals from my time in the Irish Army and U.N. in Lebanon.
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: gabi_dinisov February 07, 2008 11:25 pm|
| Will do Kevin!
In fact, I'll send him this link to see for himself.
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger May 29, 2008 10:08 am|
Here are some basic tips with regards foot care for anybody who is in the reenacting
field or even basic hillwalking.
FRICTION FOOT BLISTERS:-
Blisters are small swelling of the skin that contains watery fluid. They are caused by friction. The body responds to the friction by producing fluid. (Hemoglobin) The fluid builds up beneath the part of the skin being rubbed, causing pressure and pain.
The Hemoglobin can not be reabsorbed back into the body once it forms.
Blisters occur when feet get hot, sweaty and socks stick to the feet. The sock and foot then rub against each other and the inside of the shoe. Fluid fills up a space between layers of skin to protect the area, like a small balloon.
There are many different causes of foot blisters. Some of the most common causes of foot blisters are:
* Heat, moisture and friction.
* Friction forces caused by inappropriate shoes or socks.
* Fungal infections of the skin.
* Allergic reactions or burns.
* Excessive foot perspiration.
If a blister is red, leaking yellow fluid or has red lines near the blister, visit a doctor immediately. Redness and leaking yellow fluid are symptoms of infection.
It is also caused by wearing the wrong size shoes or boots, either to big or forcing your feet into a pair that is too small. The wearing of man made fiber socks such as polyester can be to blame as well.
WARNING!! People with diabetes may not be able recognize the painful event due to a condition called neuropathy. A doctor should attend to their blisters and burns.
Blisters are a common problem with athletes wearing in new shoes. They are also a common problem for athletes, runners and walkers who participate in exceptionally long events such as marathons or long hill walks. And of course the military.
FOOT CARE & PREVENTIVE MEASURES:-
My experience with blisters comes from my service with the Irish Military, a combination of new issued boots, polyester socks and 25 mile route marches.
It is essential that the correct shoe - boot size is obtained, squeezing your feet into a pair of boots one size to small is just as bad as wearing a pair two sizes to big, remember that feet tend to swell as you walk long distances so obtain a pair of boots at least half a size to one size larger than your normal shoe size. Break in the new boots gradually by wearing them around town for a few hours at a time.
Also cotton socks, woolen socks or a combination with more of the wool and cotton to polyester are far better than just socks made from 100% man-made fibers.
You can take a bar of soap, wet it, and apply soap into the inside area of the heel on the socks and the lower part of the sock which will be next to the soles of your feet.
Feet should be washed, dried and a liberal dose of baby powder applied, around the feet, and even into the socks along with the soap, and apply some powder into the boots. Carry a spare pair of socks with you, if its going to be a long day of re-enacting take two or three pairs.
If you get your boots and feet wet, then do like the real soldier is taught, remove your boots at the first appropriate moment, dry the feet apply powder and dry socks.
It might be an idea on "route marches" and reenactment days, to appoint a "medic" and hold a foot inspection. A medical bag containing tape, bandages, foot-powder, medical alcohol swabs, needles and matches. should be at hand to help treat the blisters in the early stages:-
BASIC GUIDE TO TAPING FEET / BLISTER PREVENTION:-
What is required?
* A single roll of 2.5cm (1 inch) zinc oxide tape is all that is required.
* The normal white zinc oxide tape is easily sufficient for most purposes.
* Apply two or three separate strips of tape across the back of the heel.
* Do not overlap the tape as this will cause a ridge that might rub, or cause the tape to come away.
* Do not have any wrinkles or bumps in the tape as these may cause blisters themselves. Make tiny cuts in the tape if needed to allow better fit.
* As above apply strips of tape along the inside of the foot.
* Again ensure there are no bubbles or wrinkles.
* Apply single strips of tape around each toe.
* Try not to overlap the tape but finish just short of a join.
* Avoid having the joins in the tape where they might rub, for instance under or between the toes.
What is the aim of taping?
The aim of this taping is to protect the areas of the foot which are prone to blisters. Prevention is far better than cure. Shown below is a taping recommended for a full days walking in boots over hills. For lesser events the athlete may decide to only apply tape where they know it will be required.
If the blister has not burst then it may be necessary to make a small hole at the edge of the blister with a serialized pin or needle, particularly if the blister is on a weight bearing surface. A pin can be sterilized by passing it through a flame, or with medical alcohol.
Do NOT drain a blood filled blister.
Drain the fluid but leave as much of the skin as possible covering the wound. This is an important protective layer for the underlying skin and will help to prevent infection.
Clean the blister with a sterilizing wipe. Yes it will sting but vital to prevent infection. Cover the wound with a second skin or blister plaster - take the time to apply it correctly.
For additional security apply tape over top of the blister bandage.
A TIP FOR HARDENING THE SKIN ON THE FEET:-
NOT to be used if:-
a, you have any cuts or blisters already on the feet,
b, suffering from ingrown toenails or foot infections.
Once a week soak the feet in medical alcohol, for 1 hour,
Place Medical Alcohol in a plastic basin, and put your feet in to soak,
with time the feet will become harder, and this technique if used in conjunction with the other tips, will make sure you and your merry band will be marching along quite happily.
I hope the above information is of some use to you,
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: Kepi May 30, 2008 04:47 am|
| Thank you very much for your most interesting information. They are very useful for our colleagues (and myself) who were confronted with such unpleasant problems…
We plan a 30 kilometers march, sometime in September or October, along Arges river, dressed in WW1 uniforms & equipment, to commemorate the Battle of Bucharest of November 1916, and your advices will help to avoid injuries…