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Posted by: Kepi September 16, 2007 04:55 am

On the 22nd of September, in Shumen, will be celebrated the great victory of the European Christian armies led by the great commander Janos Hunyadi (Iancu de Hunedoara) over the Ottoman Turks. On the Christian army there was also a contingent of Wallachian soldiers led by the Prince Vlad II Dracul, the father of the famous Prince Vlad Tepes (“The Impaler”). The main act of this event will be, as usually, the reconstruction of the battle of Shumen. Maybee our Forum coleague, Sturmpioner could put some links with aspects of the previous events. This year, about 100 reenactors from Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and Russia will be present at this event and will recreate the Christian coalition army. About 160 Bulgarian reenactors will participate, most of them dressed in Ottoman costumes. The organizers, the historical Association “Traditsia”, from Shumen, also invited the members of the “6 Dorobantzes” Association to participate at this event. (see the program of the event : http://6dorobanti.ro/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1188893107 ). Unfortunately, our association recreate only modern times Romanian soldiers, from 1877 to 1945. We don’t have costumes, equipment, weapons and training to participate at a medieval reconstruction. I think, the Transylvanian medieval groups ((“The Knights of Sighisoara”. “The Knights of Medias”, etc.) that usually participate at the historical events in Romania could be most interested to participate. Unfortunately we don’t have a contact with these groups, so we couldn’t inform them about this show. It would be great if someone of this Forum, who lives in those Transylvanian cities, could inform them about this show. Otherwise, the Transylvanian and Wallachian warriors will be represented again by foreign reenactor enthusiasts.

Posted by: 21 inf September 16, 2007 06:26 am

Hi, Kepi! I contacted "Ordinul Cavalerilor de Medias" this summer when thay had a show in Oradea and they were very opened to any collaboration and/or suggestions. Their web adress is www.ordinulcavalerilordemedias.ro Probably it should be better if you will inform them about the show, because you have the informations at first hand. I also have their phone number, please PM if you are interested to contact them by phone, I'll give you the phone numbers. Almost sure they will be able to contact also the knights from Sighisoara.

Posted by: Sturmpionier September 16, 2007 12:08 pm

The first reconstruction of the Battle of Shumen fortress in 1444 was held in 2004. The only foreign participators were Chech knights. http://www.snimka.bg/album.php?album_id=92386&view=1&photo=1 http://www.snimka.bg/album.php?album_id=62300 Two years later was the next reenactment. This time there were Czech, Polish and Hungarian reenactors. http://www.snimka.bg/album.php?album_id=67040 http://www.snimka.bg/album.php?album_id=67427 http://www.snimka.bg/album.php?album_id=67324&photo=1 http://www.snimka.bg/album.php?album_id=75828 This time we expect also Russian and Ukrainian knights. Thank you 21 inf for the link to "Ordinul Cavalerilor de Medias". Unfortunately as far as I can see they have rather Western and Central-European style of clothing and armament, than Wallahian or Transilvanian one. It will be realy well if there's a group wich represents a real medieval "Romanian" army. The next reconstruction in Shumen will be in 2008, but we're planning aslo a reenactment of the Battle of Varna in 1444. I will try also to suggest a future reconstruction of the Battle of Nicopolis (Nicopol) in 1396, when Mircea cel Batran supported the crusaders with 10 000 Wallahian troops. I hope that finaly a group of a "Romanian" medeiaval warriors will take part in these events.

Posted by: C-2 September 16, 2007 04:52 pm

You can be in Shumen in 2 hours from Buc. Anyone is coming?

Posted by: Kepi September 17, 2007 06:09 am

QUOTE (21 inf @ September 16, 2007 06:26 am) Hi, Kepi! I contacted "Ordinul Cavalerilor de Medias" this summer when thay had a show in Oradea and they were very opened to any collaboration and/or suggestions. Their web adress is www.ordinulcavalerilordemedias.ro Probably it should be better if you will inform them about the show, because you have the informations at first hand. I also have their phone number, please PM if you are interested to contact them by phone, I'll give you the phone numbers. Almost sure they will be able to contact also the knights from Sighisoara. Thank you for the information, 21 inf! It’s very long time since I tryied to contact some of those medieval groups. I’ve sent a message to the “Knights of Medias” and have informed them about this show. I hope they or other medieval group in Transylvania will be able to go there, at least as spectators. Shumen is not far from Giurgiu, only 2 hours of driving. I think it’s more complicate to come from Medias to Giurgiu. I also hope that our Association would establish a contact with these medieval groups. Even if we reenact different historical periods, some day it might be possible to organize a common multi-period show in Bucharest, maybe during the “Military Museum Days”, in which we’ll call the daco-roman association “Terra Dacica Aeterna”, from Cluj ( http://www.gandul.info/a.html?item=842992 si http://www.ziarulfaclia.ro/index.php?cmd=da&id=1263 ), the 18th Century reenactors of Alba Iulia ( http://www.apulum.ro/ro/traseu0.htm ) and any other group that will commemorate military historical traditions.

Posted by: Kepi September 17, 2007 06:19 am

QUOTE (Sturmpionier @ September 16, 2007 12:08 pm) .... It will be realy well  if there's a group wich represents a real  medieval  "Romanian" army. The next reconstruction in Shumen will be in 2008, but we're planning aslo a reenactment of the Battle of Varna in 1444. I will try also to suggest a future reconstruction of the Battle of Nicopolis (Nicopol)  in 1396, when Mircea cel Batran supported the crusaders with 10 000 Wallahian troops. I hope that finaly a group of a "Romanian" medeiaval warriors will take part in these  events. Thank you Sturmpionier, for the information and for your efforts to ensure a Romanian (Transylvanian/Wallachian) presence at the show of Shumen. Hope to meet you, and your colleagues, at the 130th anniversary of the Battlle of Pleven, as soon as possible.

Posted by: Sturmpionier September 18, 2007 03:41 pm

Indeed Shumen isn't far away form Bucuresti. If anyone of the forum members is interested in comming, I'll post here a list with the hotels in Shumen

Posted by: C-2 September 18, 2007 07:08 pm

I inted to came. It's so close ,we need no hotel. Less then 2 hours in each direction.

Posted by: Sturmpionier September 18, 2007 07:34 pm

QUOTE (C-2 @ September 18, 2007 09:08 pm) I inted to came. It's so close ,we need no hotel. Less then 2 hours in each direction. Well, you could come on 22th September in order to see also the parade of the participators (with full gear and armament of course). I think it will be a great opportunity to have a photos with interesting "warriors". BTW, I'll be glad to meet you there and if you have the same wish you just can't miss my medieval tunic

Posted by: C-2 September 18, 2007 08:20 pm

We'll do our best to be there. You'll be able to recognize me ,by this guy. http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture298tt3.jpg

Posted by: ^All^ September 18, 2007 10:10 pm

QUOTE (Kepi @ September 16, 2007 06:55 am) ... led by the great commander Janos Hunyadi (Iancu de Hunedoara) ... I think "Janos" is John/Ioan in hungarian.

Posted by: C-2 September 19, 2007 04:27 am

Ian,Yan,etc =Ion,IOan,Iancu John,Jonah etc

Posted by: Sturmpionier September 19, 2007 12:53 pm

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Posted by: C-2 September 22, 2007 06:30 am

Unfortunatly,due to family problems,we won't be able to make it to Shumen this week end. Sturmpionier,we expect photos!!!!!

Posted by: Sturmpionier September 24, 2007 06:35 pm

Well it was a great slaughter and melee. Realy excellent reenactment. I have several bruises and light injures. Cool ! However we succeed to defeat the Ottomans and capture the fortress. The were many Chezh, several Hungarian and this time only 3 Polish reenactors, shooters with bombards and siege equipment. All of the Bulgarians ( except me and 2 knights) played the turks. I participated as a Transylvanian man-at-arms and banner carrier. Kind responsible role ! http://imageshack.us Photos here: http://www.traditsia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=30862#post30862 http://store3.data.bg/tpoxata/Vyzstanovka/base2.html

Posted by: Dénes September 24, 2007 08:28 pm

QUOTE (Sturmpionier @ September 25, 2007 12:35 am) I participated as a Transylvanian man-at-arms and banner carrier. Sturmpionier, are you the little guy at the left? Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Sturmpionier September 25, 2007 03:52 am

QUOTE (Dénes @ September 24, 2007 10:28 pm) Sturmpionier, are you the little guy at the left? Gen. Dénes Yes sir

Posted by: C-2 September 25, 2007 05:39 am

Very nice!

Posted by: Kepi September 25, 2007 04:57 pm

Great show! Congratulations for the organizers! Unfortunately, the medieval groups of Transylvania had not participate at this event. Another international historical show with no romanian presence, even if the Romanians fought during that battle. I only hope that next year some Romanians will joint other enthusiasts and will bravely “fight” against the Ottomans.

Posted by: Dénes September 25, 2007 07:07 pm

QUOTE (Kepi @ September 25, 2007 10:57 pm) Unfortunately, the medieval groups of Transylvania had not participate at this event. Well, at least the flag of medieval Transylvania was present, courtesy of our very own Sturmpionier! Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Medka December 12, 2007 09:16 pm

QUOTE (Sturmpionier @ September 24, 2007 06:35 pm) All of the Bulgarians ( except me and 2 knights) played the turks. Actually, most members of hisotrical reenactment group "Chigot" - Varna were also present. There were 10 fighters (and 4 squires), 7 of them "playing" crusaders. We can be seen http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee234/Shtrihi_Ot_Bulgaria/Doblest%20I%20Slava_Shumen_2007/ResizeofIMG_6359.jpg?t=1197492428 and http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee234/Shtrihi_Ot_Bulgaria/Doblest%20I%20Slava_Shumen_2007/ResizeofIMG_6360.jpg?t=1197492428 Best regards, Medka

Posted by: theano October 12, 2008 10:25 am

Hello, I am a member of the "Terra Dacica Aeterna" reenactement association. In order to find out more details about us and our activity please visit or website: http://www.terradacica.ro. Thank you.

Posted by: Lup_Alb October 30, 2009 12:31 pm

Greetings from Hunedoara, the Castle of John Hunyadi [ENG] (Ioan de Hunedoara [ROM], Hunyadi Janos [HU]). Many thanks to Mihai from Traditia Militara from bucharest that pointed me to this forum. I am one of the leading members of a medieval reenactment group called "Ordinul Cavalerilor de Hunedoara" (The Order of the Knights of Hunedoara), oriented towards XIV-XV century reenactment. Here is our website (only in romanian for the moment) where you can see some of our pictures. http://www.ordinulcavalerilordehunedoara.110mb.com/ Also we have posted some short clips on Youtube (search for "Ordinul Cavalerilor de Hunedoara"). We would be interested to participate at the reconstruction of this battle, especially because Ioan de Hunedoara was there too. It would be a honor and a privilege. We should establish a contact to sort out logistics and details.

Posted by: 21 inf October 30, 2009 01:02 pm

To Lupul Alb: In what percent is your equipment historical acurate for not only the era, but also for the region of Iancu de Hunedoara, I mean Transylvania and/or Hungary? How did you documented the military training of your reenactors? How did you documented the equipment, weaponry and coats of arms?

Posted by: Lup_Alb October 31, 2009 02:23 pm

Every medieval reenactor knows how hard it is do properly document and recreate medieval equipmens from XIV - XV century, due to so very few surviving artefacts and scarcity of the resources, especially in Eastern Europe. I can't say that our equipment is 100% accurate and I am sure that nobody will claim that but we are doing the best we can to recreate our equipment as similar to what we know about those time as we can. We have some books, pictures of medieval church paintigs and several web resources posted by other reenactors. Also we have contact with the personal of Corvin Castle museum and also Bruckental Museum in Sibiu. Medieval Transylvania was a "melting pot" for many influences in weapons and military equipment, so many knights or men at arms would have had a very exotic and heterogeneous armor and weaponry. We still have a lot work ahead but we are trying to do our best as I have said before.

Posted by: 21 inf October 31, 2009 06:29 pm

Thanks for the answers! Glad to know that at least one romanian medieval reenacting group try to recreat the proper atmosphere from medieval Transylvania, and documented. I saw too many medieval reenactment groups in Romania who made just show for the public and their equpiment being pure fantasy. At one group they used even a sword copied after Conan the Barbarian. Don't aks which group used this sword in public at one show, cos is too well known and I dont want to point at them, but this is the situation. Congratulations and hope your group will have a long and prosperous activity!

Posted by: Lup_Alb November 01, 2009 02:17 pm

About our coat of arms. We are respecting the old coat of arms. We are not using any existing coat of arms since we are not members of those nobiliar families, but our coat of arms are made after the rules of heraldry and could have been real in that period. Every knight receives his coat of arms in a ceremony after we had served at least 6 months as a squire to another knight. Usually the period of aprenticeship is longer, the shortest period as a squire was at least an year .

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