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Posted by: rixard December 01, 2014 04:06 pm
Good day! Acquaintance of mine claims that these buttons unearthed the remains of a Romanian military man near Odessa. I've never seen such buttons among the Romanian ?! Possibly his uniform belonged to the Romanian officer during World War II? Metal buttons - brass, brown - possibly bakelite. The largest diameter of 25mm button (!). This can be a Romanian? Thanks in advance.

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Posted by: ionionescu December 02, 2014 12:35 am
Tell him to report the remains of the soldier to the authorities so a proper investigation can be done.
Nobody will give you any info on the items found before we know for sure if the digging is legal or illegal.

Posted by: Cantacuzino December 02, 2014 10:40 am


If the remains are from a Romanian military ( sailor, soldier or officer) ask your friend to contact O.N.C.E. or the local authorities.
http://www.once.ro/

Posted by: rixard December 02, 2014 10:59 am
This person contacted, in his words, with the Romanian Consulate in Odessa - there said that Ukraine and Romania has no treaties the remains of dead soldiers, but take a dog tag. The Romanian government should initiate the process, but today sorry it is "deaf" ....

However, I have not heard an answer to my question !!!

Posted by: ionionescu December 02, 2014 04:04 pm
Who is this friend of yours (name), where exactly is the digging (place), is the digging legal?

Where is the proof that the local authorities were informed?

Are there photos of this digging?

What happens with the items found in the graves?

Are they sold on ebay?

Posted by: rixard December 06, 2014 11:39 am
QUOTE (ionionescu @ December 02, 2014 04:04 pm)
Who is this friend of yours (name), where exactly is the digging (place), is the digging legal?

Where is the proof that the local authorities were informed?

Are there photos of this digging?

What happens with the items found in the graves?

Are they sold on ebay?

The man who gave me the buttons only my acquaintance, not a friend. You ask questions to which I can hardly answer - I am fond of the history of the Romanian army and I am glad to any gift, and you instead of trying to help me not to ask questions, "Address".
This'm sorry, I thought you were an expert in the Romanian army uniform ((((
To my knowledge, Romania does not hold any action on its soldiers who died in the war on the territory of Ukraine. Maybe I'm wrong?

Posted by: Radub December 06, 2014 12:26 pm
QUOTE (rixard @ December 06, 2014 11:39 am)

To my knowledge, Romania does not hold any action on its soldiers who died in the war on the territory of Ukraine. Maybe I'm wrong?

The Romanian authorities have no problems with graves that are left undisturbed. What happens to the remains of these soldiers whose graves you desecrate?
Radu

Posted by: rixard December 06, 2014 02:57 pm
QUOTE (Radub @ December 06, 2014 12:26 pm)
QUOTE (rixard @ December 06, 2014 11:39 am)

To my knowledge, Romania does not hold any action on its soldiers who died in the war on the territory of Ukraine. Maybe I'm wrong?

The Romanian authorities have no problems with graves that are left undisturbed. What happens to the remains of these soldiers whose graves you desecrate?
Radu

Radu, what are you trying to blame me? I do not digger, I take a great interest in history and a collector of the Romanian army. I respect the memory of the fallen soldiers of any army, and I do not know graves of Romanian troops in the Odessa region.
I asked a specific question about the Romanian army uniform, I have not heard an answer and hear only the prosecution. What does it mean?

Posted by: Radub December 06, 2014 05:35 pm
Rixard,
This is what you said: "To my knowledge, Romania does not hold any action on its soldiers who died in the war on the territory of Ukraine."

It was you who mentioned "soldiers who died". I only asked what happened to the remains of these "soldiers who died."

Radu

Posted by: rixard January 18, 2015 08:22 am
  Probably my buttons are very similar to the buttons on the photo. This belonged the Romanian officer?

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Posted by: rixard January 18, 2015 08:24 am
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Posted by: Daniel Focsa January 18, 2015 08:26 pm
At least one is surely romanian made, I can read "Ancora - Galatz". From a sailor maybe. But if you have found a grave of a romanian soldier, please contact romanian authorities.

Posted by: zero January 24, 2015 10:52 pm
cata amabilitate romaneasca . sa acuzi pe cineva fara dovezi , . trebuie doar sa i raspunzi omului la intrebare .

Posted by: Radub January 25, 2015 09:14 am
QUOTE (zero @ January 24, 2015 10:52 pm)
cata amabilitate romaneasca . sa acuzi pe cineva fara dovezi , . trebuie doar sa i raspunzi omului la intrebare .

Lasati ostasii sa se odihneasca in pace! Onoare lor! Rusine celor care le strica somnul de veci.
Radu

Posted by: zero January 25, 2015 02:22 pm
in cuvinte esti tare . pacat de insemnatatea lor , dar le cam folosesti unde nu trebuie .

Posted by: Radub January 25, 2015 05:22 pm
If you think that paying due respect to our fallen soldiers is wrong, then maybe this is not the right forum for you.
Let these soldiers rest in peace.
Radu

Posted by: zero January 28, 2015 09:07 pm
mai bine l ai ruga pe om daca a fost gasit un ostas roman , sa i aprinda o lumanare si sa i dea ceva de pomana cum e randuiala pe la noi .

Posted by: Radub January 28, 2015 10:43 pm
QUOTE (zero @ January 28, 2015 09:07 pm)
mai bine l ai ruga pe om daca a fost gasit un ostas roman , sa i aprinda o lumanare si sa i dea ceva de pomana cum e randuiala pe la noi .

Did you read the thread? Some guys dug out the remains of a Romanian soldier and only cared for the buttons. You expect them to light a candle and say mass? The "Christian thing" to do is to leave them rest in peace, do not disturb the graves.
Radu

Posted by: zero January 29, 2015 12:05 am
oamenii sunt ingropati in cimitire . soldatii au tot cazut peste tot pentru o politica proasta . si am o intrebare , ce ce imi scrii in engleza cand pe forumul asta 9 din 10 sunt romani ? tu sa faci galgara celor care sunt autorizati sa aduca trupurile soldatilor inapoi in tara , nu celor care ii gasesc pe campul de lupta aleatoriu .

Posted by: zero January 29, 2015 12:08 am
admin blocheaz mi contul .

Posted by: Radub January 29, 2015 09:22 am
First of all, I write in English because that is a rule of the forum.
Secondly, no one just "finds" human remains in a field. These remains are buried at some depth. These guys go out there with metal detectors looking for trinkets to sell on eBay. A few years ago, one of these guys posted on this forum a link to a batch of YouTube videos where they showed how black diggers "find" human remains. They had metal detectors and they were digging at some considerable depth. One of the videos showed them playing football with a skull shouting "fashistyi" and some other choice words.
Radu

Posted by: rixard January 29, 2015 08:38 pm
QUOTE (Radub @ January 29, 2015 09:22 am)
First of all, I write in English because that is a rule of the forum.
Secondly, no one just "finds" human remains in a field. These remains are buried at some depth. These guys go out there with metal detectors looking for trinkets to sell on eBay. A few years ago, one of these guys posted on this forum a link to a batch of YouTube videos where they showed how black diggers "find" human remains. They had metal detectors and they were digging at some considerable depth. One of the videos showed them playing football with a skull shouting "fashistyi" and some other choice words.
Radu

I'm interested in history, I have many years studying the artifacts of Romanian Army on the Eastern Front - I buy these artifacts, exchange, receives a gift.
I could tell a lie - for example I bought buttons on Ebay - but as I say is ...... and I hear it from you many reproaches, you scold me like a criminal - I'm just asking for your advice. This is not "European Community" .... I'm sorry.

Posted by: rixard January 29, 2015 08:39 pm
QUOTE (zero @ January 24, 2015 10:52 pm)
cata amabilitate romaneasca . sa acuzi pe cineva fara dovezi , . trebuie doar sa i raspunzi omului la intrebare .

Multumesc prieten!

Posted by: Radub January 30, 2015 09:20 am
QUOTE (rixard @ January 29, 2015 08:38 pm)
QUOTE (Radub @ January 29, 2015 09:22 am)
First of all, I write in English because that is a rule of the forum. 
Secondly, no one just "finds" human remains in a field. These remains are buried at some depth. These guys go out there with metal detectors looking for trinkets to sell on eBay. A few years ago, one of these guys posted on this forum a link to a batch of YouTube videos where they showed how black diggers "find" human remains. They had metal detectors and they were digging at some considerable depth. One of the videos showed them playing football with a skull shouting "fashistyi" and some other choice words.
Radu

I'm interested in history, I have many years studying the artifacts of Romanian Army on the Eastern Front - I buy these artifacts, exchange, receives a gift.
I could tell a lie - for example I bought buttons on Ebay - but as I say is ...... and I hear it from you many reproaches, you scold me like a criminal - I'm just asking for your advice. This is not "European Community" .... I'm sorry.

We are all interested in history here. Yeah, you will find the occasional supporter but that does not make it right - this is not Facebook where "correctness" is dictated by the number of "likes".

Digging human remains, throwing away the bones and keeping only what can be sold is not "history". To make it a proper "historic research", ALL such excavations should be treated as "archaeological explorations", with proper and thorough records, proper and thorough documentation and permits, proper and thorough photography and proper and thorough reporting to the relevant authorities. How many of these people publish their findings?

Do not be fooled, this is grave robbing, not historic research.

Radu

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