But verry strange, after 90 years the pices are still on the surface of the soil
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| Posted by: ANDI October 19, 2005 06:45 am |
| During the last years I went to see the old ww1 front line in the Carpathians and Marasesti and I have discovered a lot of pieces of history, some of them in quite good condition despite the weather, the ploughing of the fields and almost 90 years. People should not forget their heroes who fought believing. Friends or foes. All of these pieces were found on the ground. One k98 mauser 8mm cartridge case, on the alpine front. http://imageshack.us A lot of k98 8mm cartridge cases on the Olt valley. http://imageshack.us One m95 steyr 8mm case from Susita valley http://imageshack.us One mauser and one moisin-nagant(?) from Susita valley http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 October 19, 2005 08:36 am |
| Hello where did you find them? Can you tell me some villages near this area because I like very much to go relic hunting. I this all you have found? Best regards Claudiu |
| Posted by: ANDI October 19, 2005 08:58 am |
| Hello Claudiu, this summer I went to Marasesti to visit the mausoleum. After that I went, by foot, on the nearby ploughed fields and also on the Susita river bed. I found a lot of spent cartridges but I left them as they were. I also found a base part of a fuze. I will post a picture with it. Try also going around Letca Veche village (on the corn fields or in the woods). I am going to post photos with pieces from my collection . ANDI |
| Posted by: cipiamon October 19, 2005 09:20 am |
| Nice topic! But verry strange, after 90 years the pices are still on the surface of the soil |
| Posted by: dragos03 October 19, 2005 11:25 am |
| Years ago i went with my grandparents to Vatra Dornei and i did some hiking in the nearby mountains (Suhard). On a mountain, in the middle of nowhere, the WW1 trenches were still clearly visible, on several lines. Where is that place you found the cartridges on the Olt valley? |
| Posted by: ANDI October 19, 2005 11:57 am |
| Robesti village, is the place.I went on the neighbouring hills and I recognised the roumanian front (covered trenches) where I found some m93 mannlicher spent cartridges. On the other side of the river Olt I fond those mauser cases. Apparently they were washed up by the heavy rain. ANDI |
| Posted by: mihnea October 19, 2005 02:23 pm |
| Nice cartridges. Especially the 7,92 and 7,62 cartridge did you find them in the same place? 1.If you want to clean them you can put them in vinegar over the night, then scrape them clean with an wire sponge (used for cleaning dishes), after that wash them with water but do not let them to dry (otherwise there will appear darker spots) wipe them with an cloth. 2.Be aware that in the battle fields of the two world wars you can still find un-exploded munitions: mines, grenades, shells, mortar shells, etc. DON’T TOUCH THEM call the police to take care of them, after over 60 years in the ground they are very dangerous. 3.Anyhow I think that a rifle or a pistol complete cartridges are ok to be kept, especially if they are not to badly corroded, this is my opinion and it should not be follow by any body else. But keep them away of fire! |
| Posted by: cipiamon October 19, 2005 02:28 pm |
| Mihnea, what is vinegar? Even thouse in the picture are not harmless, in the second photo i can see un-fired cartridge case |
| Posted by: Dénes October 19, 2005 02:57 pm | ||
In Rumanian vinegar is 'otzet'. I think the unfired cartridges are safe, unless you hit them with a hard object or throw them in fire.  Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: mihnea October 19, 2005 03:11 pm |
| Vinegar is "otet" in Romanian. Here are two cleaned cartridges of 7,92 Mauser 98k/ZB and 7,62 Mosin Nagant. I cleaned them both. http://imageshack.us The cleaning of the bullets from this MG belt took me two days. They are training rounds, the bullets are made of wood, and still had the gun powder inside when I bought them, now most of them are "clean" inside  .http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: mihnea October 19, 2005 03:30 pm | ||
This is the first time my PC loads up this picture, probably an error. So the cartridge case seems to be from the Mosin-Nagant rifle it is but very oxidized. |
| Posted by: ANDI October 19, 2005 04:37 pm |
| Mihnea, trust me, it is a m93 steyr cartridge. I have found several pieces like this and I am sure about it's origin. I have also checked on the Internet. Those two cartridges were not found togheter, actually, 20meters apart. I have put them close togheter just for the photo. I also have other photos with relics. I will post them tomorrow. ANDI |
| Posted by: Cristian October 19, 2005 04:54 pm |
| It's more probably a 8x50 Steyr case then a 7,62x54 Mosin. Both cases are rimmed, but the shorter neck is for 8x50. Compare with your Mosin blank case, Mihnea. |
| Posted by: mihnea October 19, 2005 07:09 pm |
| OK I get the idea I was just guessing from a picture of an oxidized case, and I also noticed that the rim of the 7,62 case is thinner. PS ANDI I think you miss written in your last post m93 instead of m95. |
| Posted by: cipiamon October 19, 2005 09:22 pm |
| Robesti village is near Marasesti? |
| Posted by: ANDI October 20, 2005 06:00 am |
| Yes, Mihnea sorry. I meant m95. I have also found barbed wire still elastic!!! It was a particular type that I have never seen before. The spikes are along a single, twisted, square section wire. I came across parts of rifle clips (steyr and mannlicher), very rusty though, lead shrapnell balls and a 7cm heavy piece of a shell. This is the base of a fuze (what's left of it). http://imageshack.us A screw cap from a m1915 german stick grenade. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Cristian October 20, 2005 08:45 am |
| The cartridge designation is not mandatory given by the rifle model. The ammo for the romanian M1893 rifle , the 6,5x 54R Mannlicher is also known as 6,5 x 53,5 R Dutch Mannlicher M.1895 6,5 x 54 R 6,7 x 53 R 6,5 mm Dutch 6,5 mm Dutch Mannlicher 6,5 mm Mannlicher 6,5 mm Patrone 152 (h) 6,5 mm Romanian 6,5 mm Rottweil Rifle 6,5 mm Romanian Mannlicher 6,5 x 53 R Mannlicher 6,5 x 53 R Portuguese 6,5 x 53 R Portuguese Mannlicher 6,5 x 53 R Romanian 6,5 x 53 R Romanian Mannlicher 6,5 x 53,5 R Romanian Mannlicher 6,5 x 53,5 R Romanian 1893 6,5 x 53,5 R Mannlicher 1895 6,5 x 53,6 R Dutch Mannlicher 6,5 x 53,65 R Mannlicher 1893 6,5 x 53,65 R Portuguese 6,5 x 53,65 R Romanian 6,5 x 54 R Dutch Mannlicher 6,5 x 54 Romanian Mannlicher 6,55 Mauser (6,55 x 54 R Mauser (DWM 392A) 6,5 x 54 R Beaumont Mauser (DWM 392B) .256 Mannlicher Rimmed 6,5 x 53,5 R Romanian Mannlicher M.1893 DWM 392 392A...C 395C...( thank you, Ruy !) Beside that the 8x50R Steyr is know as 8 x 50 R Austrian Mannlicher Mod. 88, Mod. 88/93 and Mod. 93 / .320 SWIFT / 8mm Mannlicher / 8 mm Scharfe Gewehr Patrone 1888, 1890, 1893/ 8mm Österreichische Ordonnanz / 8x50 R Steyr Mannlicher / .500-.320 King's Norton High Velocity / DWM 358 / DWM 358B / DWM 358C / GR272 / GR460 |
| Posted by: ANDI October 20, 2005 08:58 am |
| Two more pictures. A steel scabbard for an austrian trench knife. The makers mark is still visible on one side. Is V&G from Vogel&Noot . http://imageshack.us And a interesting 30cm piece of a 8mm Steyr m95 rifle (or maybe m88). I say interesting becouse it seems to have been cut. There are some saw marks on it. My guess is that, at some point, the rifle was found by a local and in order to make it shorter (and easier to hide) cut it. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI October 20, 2005 09:09 am |
| Just as a curiosity I was only looking for catridges with different makers. I was surprised to found a lot (at least for roumanian 6.5x53R).Different makers, different years (e.g. 1893,1895,1905,1912). Also for 8x50R austrian Steyr cartridges. I have a detailed list and I will post it as soon as posibble. ANDI |
| Posted by: cipiamon October 20, 2005 02:02 pm |
Imagine what you can find whit a metal detector  i would love to explore there whit my detecto'. |
| Posted by: ANDI October 20, 2005 06:17 pm |
Yeap, I would like to explore with a metal detector too, but I don't know where to find one, reasonably priced of course...  Say....where can I found one? As I was saying before I have seen on the 6.5x53mm cartridges a lot of makers. As: P.A.B., P.A.M. (I don't know their origin) and D.W.M. (Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabrik) and W (Wolff - Austria) On the 8x50mm steyr cartridges were visible makers like: W (as stated before) GR (Georg Roth- Wien) H (Hirtenberger Patronenfabrik) The Mauser cartridges had stamped: P (Polte - Magdeburg) S - ? I also found some rare Henry-Martini 11.43mm caliber cartridges. Paper patched lead bullets and black powder.... |
| Posted by: dragos October 20, 2005 06:35 pm | ||
I have seen the trenches at Vatra Dornei too, some 7-8 years ago when I went with my parents at a rest facility of MApN. The trenches were running right near the villa. But I don't know if there was any action there. |
| Posted by: dragos03 October 20, 2005 06:38 pm |
| I think the trenches in the area were made by the Russians during their battles with the Austro-Hungarian army. |
| Posted by: cipiamon October 20, 2005 09:08 pm | ||
A few months ago you could still buy it from Carrefour, i got mine for 700.000 lei. If you whant we can go scanning together, we will scan whit turns, after you find an object is my turn to scan, that way we can "clean" the fields. The only problem is that it should be no "gura casca" people hanging around there, be couse u know is not leagal to use the MD... |
| Posted by: ANDI October 21, 2005 10:36 am |
| Sounds good, sounds good.....Are you from Bucharest? Here are some other pictures: - a couple of ww1 k98 mauser cartridges (inert); http://imageshack.us - and a very rusty clip with steyr 8x50R ammo (inert) http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Cristian October 21, 2005 04:15 pm |
| See pictures at http://www.detectomania.com |
| Posted by: mihnea October 23, 2005 06:55 am | ||
Why? It doesn’t seem logic. All that is in the ground belongs to the Romanian state? |
| Posted by: Cristian October 23, 2005 08:13 am |
| Read Art.8(1) http://www.mnir.ro/lege/2001_378/378_02.htm |
| Posted by: mihnea October 23, 2005 09:56 am |
| The law says nothing about battle fields. A battle field isn’t an archeological site, so I think that it is ok to use the metal detector on the fields that are not close to archeological sites. |
| Posted by: Cristian October 23, 2005 10:59 am |
Mihnea, you can not decide if a battlefield is it or not an archaeological site.But is obvious you did not read the whole text of the law (including penalties  ) |
| Posted by: mihnea October 23, 2005 02:36 pm |
| You are right Cristian I have read only the second chapter that you posted the link to. Now that I read the entire law including the penalties, I am still not changing my opinion because I have found no restrictions regarding the battle fields. |
| Posted by: cipiamon October 23, 2005 03:39 pm |
| Some time ago, on this forum i heard of somebody that was caught scanning a mior corn field, the penalty was 50 mil., and don't take me for counterfit-arheologist, i am just looking for simple ww1-2 "junk". I am not interesed in the treasures of the country. |
| Posted by: Cristian October 23, 2005 04:00 pm |
| Sorry,in romanian, but is for Mihnea only i) prin zonă cu potenţial arheologic evidenţiat întâmplător se înţelege terenul, în care existenţa bunurilor de patrimoniu arheologic s-a evidenţiat în mod neprevăzut, ca urmare a: (i) acţiunilor umane, altele decât cercetarea arheologică atestată, cum ar fi: lucrări de construcţii, lucrări de prospecţiuni geologice, inclusiv teledetecţie, lucrări agricole, precum şi alte tipuri de lucrări şi cercetări efectuate subteran sau subacvatic; 3) Descoperirile arheologice întâmplătoare se anunţă în termen de cel mult 72 de ore, primarului localităţii de către persoana descoperitoare, proprietarul ori titularul dreptului de administrare a terenului în cauză. Art. 5. − (1) Prin protejarea bunurilor şi terenurilor de patrimoniu arheologic din zonele definite la art. 2 lit. h) şi i) se înţelege adoptarea măsurilor ştiinţifice, administrative şi tehnice care urmăresc păstrarea vestigiilor descoperite întâmplător sau ca urmare a cercetării arheologice până la clasarea bunurilor respective sau până la finalizarea cercetării arheologice, prin instituirea de obligaţii în sarcina proprietarilor, administratorilor sau titularilor de alte drepturi reale asupra terenurilor care conţin sau au conţinut bunurile de patrimoniu arheologic respective, precum şi prin reglementarea sau interzicerea oricăror activităţi umane, inclusiv a celor autorizate anterior (2) “Certificatul de descărcare de sarcină arheologică” reprezintă actul administrativ, emis în condiţiile prezentei legi, prin care se anulează regimul de protecţie instituit anterior asupra terenului în care a fost evidenţiat patrimoniul arheologic (5) În cazul zonelor cu patrimoniu arheologic evidenţiat întâmplător delimitate conform prevederilor art. 2 lit. i) se instituie, din momentul descoperirii de bunuri arheologice, pentru o perioadă ce nu poate depăşi 12 luni, regimul de protecţie pentru bunurile arheologice şi zonele cu potenţial arheologic în vederea cercetării şi stabilirii regimului de protejare. (7) Accesul cu detectoare de metale şi utilizarea lor în situri arheologice, în zonele de interes arheologic prioritar şi în zonele cu patrimoniu arheologic reperat sunt permise numai pe baza autorizării prealabile emise de Ministerul Culturii şi Cultelor. (8) Până la descărcarea de sarcină arheologică terenul care face obiectul cercetării este protejat ca sit arheologic, conform legii. (9) Autorizarea lucrărilor de construire sau desfiinţare din zonele cu patrimoniu arheologic reperat se aprobă numai pe baza şi în conformitate cu avizul Ministerului Culturii şi Cultelor şi Cultelor. (10) În cazul zonelor cu patrimoniu arheologic evidenţiat întâmplător, în condiţiile prevederilor alin. (5), până la descărcarea de sarcină arheologică, autorizarea de construire se suspendă sau, după caz, primarul localităţii dispune întreruperea oricărei alte activităţi, în conformitate cu avizul Direcţiilor pentru cultură, culte şi patrimoniu cultural judeţene, respectiv a municipiului Bucureşti, şi se instituie regimul de supraveghere sau săpătură arheologică. |
| Posted by: C-2 October 23, 2005 04:06 pm |
| Guys, A few years ago,when I tried to convince the NG to help us find some lost ww2 planes,I was told By Cristian Lascu (not our Cristian) that if those laws wouldn't be so severe,the country would be devastated by bandits (and still is). Those laws are desparate measures,since a lot of sites were completely compromise. In order to dig,I belive you need some oficial paper. We must find a way... |
| Posted by: mihnea October 23, 2005 04:27 pm |
| You are right about the use of a metal detector on a field. But I’m still clouded abut the law, the way it is written leaves for way for interpretations, when it comes to battle fields. @cipiamon: The person that you are talking about was caught with any objects from the ground? This is my last post on metal detectors. |
| Posted by: cipiamon October 23, 2005 04:45 pm |
No, as i remeber he was just cought whit a metal detector in his heand  |
| Posted by: ANDI October 23, 2005 07:13 pm |
| Ok, let's say the law is right. But there must be a difference between the battlefield sites where you are searching on your own risk and ancient sites where you can discover an old jar full of gold coins. I mean, you just cannot compare rusty war artefacts with a real treasure, right? Even more, talking from the passionate point of view, you can help the authorities with info and recovering lost fragments of recent history. |
| Posted by: Carol I October 23, 2005 07:35 pm | ||||||
Actually there is not. Archaeology deals with the study of the past by analysing the material remains left behind, be it in a settlement or on a battlefield.
An archaeological artefact may be a rusty thing for one person and a real treasure for another. It is very hard to draw a demarcation line.
You may help the authorities, but there are countless of others who do not think like you and are quite willing to take advantage of any loophole in the law. That is why you are required to register your activities in advance. |
| Posted by: ANDI October 24, 2005 09:02 am |
| Another picture with an austrian entrenchig tool (this is from my "other stuff" collection). As you can see the handle is a repro and I am still working on it ("baitz" coat). This particular model had an edge with saw teeth and the other was sharpened like an ax. There are still visible on it the markings: Vogel&Noot , Wartberg and 1913. Believe it or not it was accidentally discovered by a goat shepherd in a wood. The wild boars apparently had uncovered it..... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Dénes October 24, 2005 03:21 pm |
| Here is a photo taken "somewhere in Eastern Europe" (actually Poland). This finding is good as gold... Gen. Dénes  [Source: http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk] |
| Posted by: dragos October 24, 2005 03:31 pm | ||
The biggest problem is how do you take it home... |
| Posted by: mihnea October 24, 2005 03:34 pm | ||
Supreme craftsmanship on that wood handle. You made it yourself? However it seems a bit short and odd shaped, never seen that shape before, did you made it after an original one? And also I have two suggestions: You could paint the metal part satin black after you clean it to bare metal. And secondly you could also paint the handle with satin varnish. |
| Posted by: mihnea October 24, 2005 03:44 pm | ||
Don't worry it is already in US under restoration. And they are doing an excellent job. Same vehicle http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com/panther_2.htm |
| Posted by: ANDI October 24, 2005 05:57 pm |
| Mihnea, the handle was made by a carpenter, using my drawings. I have seen this model at MMN in a diorama about ww1, but at another kind of shovel. To be honest with you I have never seen on the Internet a good example of an austrian entrenching tool like this.... I am afraid to even more wire brush it becouse it is quite rusty, it even has some small holes in it, but I am going to try what you said on the handle. ANDI |
| Posted by: Dénes October 25, 2005 04:23 pm |
| Here is an original WW 1-era showel (repainted), manuf'd in 1915, coming from Bulgaria. Gen. Dénes    [Source: http://bulgariana.com] |
| Posted by: ANDI October 27, 2005 06:17 am |
| Ok, here is one rusty clip for the m93 roumanian mannlicher. The ammo is 6.5x53R. The cases are empty. http://imageshack.us - and a beautiful example for roumanian m78 Henry-Martini : the rare 11.43mm caliber rounds. Inert. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: mihnea October 27, 2005 04:23 pm | ||
To clean the rust you could use some FERUGINOL you can buy it from Brico or any similar shop. But use it only on small areas, it cleans only the surface rust, but you don’t have to scrub it any more. It is very efficient. Some info about using FERUGINOL: it is toxic so use an gas mask of some sort and work in an ventilated space (I used an WWII German gas mask  , I cleaned it before using it, and it worked but I don’t recommend it, not all old gas masks are still in working condition); it corrodes anything it touches in contact with except plastic and also doesn’t clean pain but it cleans the blackened coat from bayonet scabbard and gun barrels. |
| Posted by: cipiamon October 27, 2005 06:57 pm |
| Good, but after that what we apply on the object to prevent it from rusting again? |
| Posted by: mihnea October 27, 2005 07:12 pm |
| Oops, I forgot, satin incolor lacquer, you can find it in spray cans at Brico (for example) apply 2/3 coats and it wont rust any more. Well if you keep the object inside in decent conditions. |
| Posted by: ANDI October 27, 2005 07:36 pm |
| I don't know what to say about that....I mean, last time I tried to clean a bayo with Feruginol it was obvious it was working but it somehow "stains" the surface especially if is a blade. After all it is an acid based liquid. By "stain" I mean a difference in the gloss of the object. But i think it depends on the amount of rust and the object involved. On what kind of objects have you tried it? |
| Posted by: Cristian October 28, 2005 11:34 am |
| I used several times bath cleaning liquid as "Detatrtrant". Let the object for few hours, but a case cartridge need few minutes.Wash, dry with a clean coat ,a smooth metal brush if necessary,oil and done. But the best method is electrolyshis. Use a car battery charger. The object to clean must be the catode(-) .6 volts is enough.Put in the water 20g of active soda per liter.Beware at skin and eyes! The process must be done in open air (courtyard, balcony).Tke anode could be a copper small pipe. |
| Posted by: mihnea October 28, 2005 01:48 pm |
| @ANDI I had the same problem with Feruginol but what you have to do to correct that is to apply it to the entire bayonet, this is no problem if you want to repaint the object because the line will be covered. @Cristian The electrolysis is good as long as you are sure that the cartridge is empty, if there still is gun powder inside it could be dangerous (see the Myth Busters ). I think the cheapest way to clean cartridges is with vinegar I used it and it is very easy and safe. |
| Posted by: Cristian October 28, 2005 01:57 pm |
| I've said case cartridge, not cartridge! |
| Posted by: mihnea October 28, 2005 02:12 pm | ||
I tried it on a flash light that I am now restoring (see pic.), a VZ-24 bayonet scabbard and as you see it made more bad than good (see pic.), German gas-mask container and filter with good results. http://imageshack.us before... http://imageshack.us and after http://imageshack.us before... http://imageshack.us and after |
| Posted by: ANDI October 28, 2005 04:23 pm |
| Mihnea, excuse me, but in the "before" pic of the scabbard was the steel blue, or it's just an illusion? Becouse, in that case, I think you did a mistake cleaning it... The original blueing of a bayonet or a scabbard it's something you cannot obtain quite easy. Come to think of cleaning solutions, I once used some Cillit cream and actually proved to be more powerfull than the Feruginol. |
| Posted by: mihnea October 28, 2005 06:10 pm |
| I know ANDI that’s why I posted the images of the scabbard that is what NOT to do with Feruginol (I wrote this in the message with the pictures) but don’t worry I have an other one witch is in mint condition, the one I ruined I wanted to re-blacken or powder coat. What kind of objects have you cleaned until now? |
| Posted by: ANDI October 28, 2005 08:02 pm |
| I have cleaned mostly bayos and I think I have made quite a good job....(excuse for bragging... ) But don't make any illusions though, I made some "very presentable" bayos from virtually relic condition ones....To be honest with you, this is something I enjoy a lot (cleaning and trying to restore them). ANDI |
| Posted by: Dragos1984 November 05, 2005 11:09 am |
| hey guys .. hows it going..! well im here finally in Romania and im ready to hunt for Relics,. last month i went to Cluj and i went to an Anitique shop and found .. some good stuff .. i got my self a ww2 German medal .. ( 25 years of military service ) but any ways..,,, if any one is interested to go searching for some .. relics.. then let me.. know. by the way im staying in Sibiu. so if any one is close by then .. let me know.. ps. ( dami un bip) lol.. Dragos |
| Posted by: cipiamon November 05, 2005 01:05 pm |
| Let me know when you gonna come to Bucharest |
| Posted by: Dragos1984 November 05, 2005 06:35 pm |
| any time.. just let me know when u wanna go digging.. for some relics. befor the winter comes.. and we need to break ... the ice.. lol jk.. Dragos if all is well then maybe i can get my hands on a metal detector. |
| Posted by: ANDI November 08, 2005 07:18 am |
| Say Dragos....are you from Sibiu? 'Couse there are a lot of locations around there where you can start looking for relics. |
| Posted by: Dragos1984 November 11, 2005 10:19 pm |
| yea im from sibiu .. say do u know any good locations around Sibiu where i can go dig for some.. relics>? hey if you wanna come and help me out ur more then welcome to join me. Dragos |
| Posted by: ANDI November 14, 2005 08:24 am |
| Here are another two pictures with some things you can find on the ground, reminders of some fierce fightings. A heavy piece of a shell, you can see the scale of it close to that sewing cap. http://imageshack.us ---and some lead srhapnell balls, one 6.5mm bullet and some 8mm bullets. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: mihnea November 15, 2005 04:31 pm |
| How the shrapnel were balls shot, they were in mortar rounds? |
| Posted by: ANDI November 16, 2005 07:17 am |
| Here is the german 7.7 shrapnell shell, ww1 type, with the "doppelzunder" fuse. (I found a part of such a fuse and I have posted the pic previously) As you know these shells were very effective against infantry even in trenches or foxholes becouse they exploded in the air, pounding the ground with lead balls... http://imageshack.us ---the image is from www.westernfrontmuseum.nl ANDI |
| Posted by: Wings_of_wrath February 12, 2006 01:13 pm | ||||
As I said in the "Battlefields in the Ground" topic, I was in the same area (On the Giumalau mountain, near Rusca) and also saw ww1 trenches. They were only about half of meter deep, but some came with rusty barbed wire as well. We also stumbeled upon an ammo dump with the stacks of shells fused into one solid mass due to rust (we stayed well clear of it- if one shell is dangerously unstable, a lot are more so!) and the first top ones defused and spray painted red. I distictly rmember one of the shels as being filled with round shrapnel, and the general shape matched ANDI's post, so I assume them to be german 7.7s. At the time (I was 12) I wasn't interested in militaria, so I took no pictures of our finds  or investigated furter (We were also afraid of mines, since we didn't know this was a WW1 and not a WW2 position) but I would like to revisit the area sometime.About Feruginol and bayonets: Don't do it! I used it to clean up the first ever bayonet I aquired, (over 9 yers ago) and it only made the blade rust faster, as well as stain it and corroding all the markings. In the mean time I managed to get it cleaned up again (the markings are gone forever, though), but still I can't place in the scabbard because it will rust, so I have keep the blade cocooned in a tissue paper "shroud". I've never tried to laquer my bayonets, most of the ones I have are in pretty good condition so they won't rust or anything- for the lesser fortunate ones, gun grease on the blade (or the type of oil used to lubricate old sewing machines) works better than anything else. Here is a selection of my bayonets. From top to bottom- 1) My first ever K98. You can see in the picture that the blade has been sharpened quite a few times over the years, although not by me. Afer I tried to clean it with "Feruginol", it ate away what was left of the markings on the blade, but I think it was stenciled 43ASW. The crome finish on the scabbard looks original, and it's marked 42ASW. 2)Anoter K98 that I aquired last year- Although its exterior is quite battered, the blade is in mint condition, still retaining its original lubrication and finish. The blueing on the scabbard has mostly worn off, but some of it is still visible in the places that would have been covered by leather. Both pieces are stenciled 44ASW, and the scabbard has had it's serial restamped to match the bayonet. 3)The pride of my collection: a VZ-24 with the original leather still attached! I got it from Sibiu in 2001 form an "Antique shop", and you can see that the blade has been sharpened, probably to fetch a better price. The button is also rusted solid, but other than that, it's in great shape. 
If you ask me, the handle is totally wrong. I have an Austro-Hungarian WW1 entrenching tool of a diffrent pattern (See it below, it's marked "Loboncz-1915") but what you've got looks to me close to the German model, that had a straight handle:   The second picture is from http://www.nomanslandmilitaria.com/ |
| Posted by: mihnea February 12, 2006 02:56 pm |
The VZ-24 bayo is very nice except that it is from a Mannlicher m95(or m93 the differences are small).  Feruginol is cleaning the metal of any bluing so it should not be used on any bayonets scabbards and guns. This is a good condition ZB bayonet and a scabbard damaged by feruginol. All the bleing is original. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Wings_of_wrath February 12, 2006 03:17 pm | ||
Aha. I always asumed this to be the VZ-24 because that's what the guy who sold it to me said it was. I can see the only notable difference between my M93 bayonet and your Zb is the shape of the pommel, so I was sattisfied with the superficial resemblance, and never looked into the details.  Well, you live and you learn- until now I only had a real interest in german bayonets, and this is my only other one. |
| Posted by: Dragos1984 February 12, 2006 07:04 pm |
| hey any of you guys wanna sell one of your bayonets. il give u a good price ! Thanks! |
| Posted by: mihnea February 12, 2006 07:25 pm |
| Sure, Yes I will trade mine for an OT-810. |
| Posted by: Wings_of_wrath February 12, 2006 08:50 pm |
| I think that's an excellent deal... |
| Posted by: ANDI February 13, 2006 08:23 am |
| Wings of Wrath, you said that one local kid showed you some helmets he had found in that area. Do you remember the type? I mean, were they ww1 or ww2? M16,17,18 or M35,40,42? Thankx |
| Posted by: Dragos1984 February 13, 2006 10:26 am |
| sorry but i dont have an OT-810 lol.. but i have cash so what do u say |
| Posted by: Wings_of_wrath February 14, 2006 10:03 pm | ||
The kid had five helmets. At the time I was 12 and not at all interested in miltaria, but I do remeber some of the details. The helmets seemed to be German WW2, Probably 42s, but I'm not sure about that. One of them was clearly a WW1 type with the protruding rivets and taller dome, presumably an M16 or 18. All of them were just the shell, rusty, with no traces of paint remaining, and some of them showed battle-damage. When I asked where he got them, he gestured vaguely in the direction of the mountian and replied "The forest". Among other things, he showed me a well preserved MG belt full of spent cases. It was made out of metal links, with some black paint still showing, so I think it was of WW2 vintage. He also had a sizable colection of shrapnels and pieces of shells, as well as a fragment of a grenade - It was the lower part of a "classic", "pinapple" style defensive grenade, but I don't know what type. Could it have been a MAN? Did the Russians recieve any American Mark I's during WW2 along with the Jeeps, Shermans and other equipment? The question remains. |
| Posted by: ANDI February 15, 2006 08:00 am |
| Thanks for your answer! In the Vatra Dornei area took place some fierce battles between the russian and austro-hungarian forces in ww1. Those mountains were heavily fortified (trenches, bunkers) and I also heard some stories about dug-outs in the middle of nowhere, in the deep of the forest. Don't know about important actions in ww2 though..... I also think that no local is going to tell you the exact location of their findings, as they are afraid and suspicious about your intentions..... |
| Posted by: New Connaught Ranger February 15, 2006 06:10 pm |
Hallo if you lÖÖk at this link you will see lots of great WW2Battlefield Items from around Europe & more places. Including Tanks, Weapons, helmets etc..etc.. Some of it in fantastic condition.  http://www.lerenfort.fsnet.co.uk/page3.html Happy looking, Kevin. |
| Posted by: ANDI February 16, 2006 07:46 am |
Yeap, I have seen that site already. Those guys are doing an impressive war-archaeology activity. Also check the guys from Ukraine! (I hope they are not doing any grave-digging...  ). |
| Posted by: ANDI June 24, 2006 06:39 pm |
| Went on Mateias mountain today....trenches still visible, remnants of war stil visible on the ground.... http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img00427oh.jpg Hard to tell but the row of stones from the right is actually the front line of a trench. |
| Posted by: ANDI June 24, 2006 06:47 pm |
| Some M93, 6.5mm Mannlicher spent cartridges. The nature is trying to heal itself and "hide" this means of destruction... http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: cipiamon June 24, 2006 06:47 pm |
| How does a trench look over so much time, i was wondering that becouse i would like to know how it looks in case i see one Great pictures, is this in the Marasesti area? |
| Posted by: ANDI June 24, 2006 06:55 pm |
| As I said before, these pictures were taken on the Mateias mountain, Arges county. You know......Mateias mausoleum is located on the same big mountain. You can locate a trench quite easy, but first you have to know for sure there battles in the area that you are searching for. They look like a small ditch (after all these years....) approximatly 20 or 30 cm deep. Knowing a little strategy will be better. You can determine the front line, the line of attack, etc....They are also located using the terrain, the best slopes, the best line of fire. I will be back with some more photos. |
| Posted by: C-2 June 24, 2006 07:09 pm |
| Something strange about the Mateias mausoleun; Other they were only old people who did the fighting and died there,or the bones in the mausoleum doesn't belong to the soldiers who died there. Very strange! |
| Posted by: Dragos1984 June 24, 2006 10:28 pm |
| hey guys who wants to go digging in the mountains.. lol.. ! |
| Posted by: RHaught June 24, 2006 11:23 pm |
| Well I will be in Iasi on Thursday and plan to head to the mountains a week later. As for the trench question earlier looks like a continous filled in ditch. Look at US Civil War battlefield pics. |
| Posted by: ANDI June 25, 2006 08:53 am |
| In my trips to different WW1 battlefields, I have encountered continuous line trenches, alone or in a concentric disposal (no longer than 20meters, with space between them), foxholes, machinegun nests or Z type trenches. So far all that I have found were "on the ground" items. |
| Posted by: ANDI June 25, 2006 04:41 pm |
| Here are some more photos. Two very rusty food cans. I took the lid from one of them with me back home, wire brush it an there were written, barely visible though, "xxxxxxx""ULEI", 400GR., 1916. http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI June 25, 2006 04:45 pm |
| Here is another M93, 6.5mm, Mannlicher cartridge case. It is amazing how well was preserved after all these years. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI June 25, 2006 04:50 pm |
| The lid that I was talking about. Sorry for the quality of the photo. http://imageshack.us And a 3cm fragment from a copper driving band of a shell. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI June 25, 2006 08:04 pm |
| One 15cm piece of a shell. Quite big, quite deadly... I found a lot of other small pieces and shell fragments in that area. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Wings_of_wrath June 26, 2006 08:19 am |
| This is the same kind of spectacle you can find up in the mountains of Northern Moldova, especially the Rarau and Giumalau, allready talked about in this thread. Anyway, keep up the good work! By the way, would any of you be intrested in a trip to the Focsani-Namoloasa-Galati front later this summer? I hear there still are about 30 bunkers/sq.Km in the vicinity, althoough most are from WW2 not WW1. Once there we could also visit the batles site at Marasesti. |
| Posted by: RHaught June 27, 2006 09:29 pm |
| Anyone interested in looking around Iasi? Will be in Romania for 3 weeks (last 4-5 days in Bucharest). Will be heading to Piatra Neamt to visit the godparents from my wedding (still do not understand this custom). Hoping to make it to Arad and Timisoara. |
| Posted by: RHaught July 01, 2006 11:36 am |
| Going to Roman at the end of the week. Found a family friend who knows about the battle there and is going to help search the area. He also knows people who own private property that had troops fighting on it and is going to get permission to search there as well. Hope this comes through! |
| Posted by: ANDI July 17, 2006 07:38 pm |
| Some more pictures from the Mateias mountain. Shell debries everywhere: here is a small one, approx. 3x3x1cm. http://imageshack.us ....and another one, approx. 20x4x2cm, sharp edges.... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI July 17, 2006 07:50 pm |
| Also found this in the woods, don't know exactly but I think is a part from the "fuze end" of a shell's body. It is made out of cast iron, has screw markings, the metal is curved on the outside (you can see the variable section of the metal, thinner on the top, getting thicker towards the bottom). There are some numbers on it: 3049, close to the rim. It appears to have smth. between 100 and 115mm in diameter. http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: C-2 July 18, 2006 06:55 pm |
| I have an obssesion (one of many ) for a while that there may be unexploded bombs under my house and yard.Since my house is buit where Baneasa airfield was... With the help of a friend,I found a metalic object in the yard.I dag about 50 cm and found ...a metalic object (junk). The problem is that my son ,keeps on diging day after day and wouldn't stop. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: cipiamon July 18, 2006 07:10 pm |
| Great, buy him a metal detector! |
| Posted by: Imperialist July 18, 2006 07:13 pm | ||
All you have to do now is to give him Ludwig Jerrer's An Illustrated History of the World and you could form a great future archaeologist. |
| Posted by: C-2 July 18, 2006 07:56 pm |
| Cipi,good idea! He's a minor,so thay cannot do him anything if he has a metal detector http://imageshack.us Belive me,he 's working very hard,about two hours a day. Like Indiana Johs said,a true arheologist is the one who spends most of his time in libraries. |
| Posted by: ANDI July 24, 2006 06:10 pm |
| Somewhere on the old Carpathian border... One of many m93, 6.5Rmm, spent cartridges. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI July 24, 2006 06:15 pm |
| ...three of many scattered empty clips from the m95, 6x50Rmm austrian ammo... There is also a fourth in the upper part of the picture, partially in the ground... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI July 24, 2006 06:20 pm |
| ...two 8x50Rmm spent cartridges with an empty clip, protruding from the earth... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI July 24, 2006 06:23 pm |
| ... one smashed gas mask filter, probably german or austrian.... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI July 24, 2006 06:27 pm |
| ...a 20cm long and 1.5cm wide, copper driving band of a shell... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI August 16, 2006 09:32 pm |
| ....alpine front, reloaded.... Three austrian 8mm/m95 spent cartridges. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI August 16, 2006 09:36 pm |
| ...and a couple of m93/6.5mm rounds... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: New Connaught Ranger August 17, 2006 07:27 pm | ||||
Hallo ANDI, Please be very careful wearing old gas masks of Ww1 or WW2 vintage, there is asbestos in the filters which is now known as a cancer causing agent!!! Sorry this should be more correctly addressed to mihnea with respect the Gas-mask, Ww1 German, French, Austrian, Belgian and British gasmasks have been found to contain trace elements of WW1 poison gas in recent years and still are able to make you sick or die, so gas-mask users beware. , Kevin in Deva |
| Posted by: ANDI August 17, 2006 07:40 pm |
| Hi Kevin! Unfortunately I don't have a ww1 or ww2 gas mask in my collection but even if I have had one, I would have certainly listened to your advice. Thank you. |
| Posted by: mihnea August 18, 2006 08:22 am | ||||||
Thanks for the info. I have just bought two new gas masks one German WWII, unused, (the filter had the plug on) and a Russian post war GP 5 also brand new (also with the filter also plugged) . Both work perfectly . |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 August 19, 2006 10:55 am |
| Can you put some pictures with the gas masks? |
| Posted by: mihnea August 19, 2006 01:44 pm |
| Sure you can see them here: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=3516 . |
| Posted by: C-2 August 19, 2006 07:14 pm |
| Thanks Kevin for the tip! I have a gas masc and I was going to test it.... Thank's a lot. I forgot about the asbest  |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 December 14, 2006 03:49 pm |
| Here is the grenade from Verdun (it was a bonus for buying the 2 helmets). The store was full of battlefield relics. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 December 14, 2006 03:59 pm |
| http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 December 14, 2006 04:05 pm |
| http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 December 14, 2006 04:27 pm |
| http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI December 15, 2006 07:37 am |
| This seems to be an empty french F1 model 1915 hand grenade. I am not sure about the wire around its body, but my guess is that it was a "feature" made on the field, with attaching hooks (now missing). |
| Posted by: ANDI May 15, 2007 06:33 pm |
| I am back with some new photos, taken on the old Carpathian border. ...again some m93, 6.5mm spent cartridges.... http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0832ax6.jpg ..and one empty clip for them... http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0808oy1.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI May 15, 2007 06:37 pm |
| ... a cache of M95 8mm Steyr cartridges...a nice find. http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0799mt2.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI May 15, 2007 06:40 pm |
| ...deadly splinters and shell fragments. You can even see the copper driving band on one of them. They were 10cm long and about 5 to 7 cm wide. http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0835nt6.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI May 15, 2007 06:46 pm |
| ...and the most interesting find was this sealed can. Unopened. It was lying just under the leaves. It had only some small rust holes (remember, this is from ww1) and thus, empty after all these years. http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0830ac2.jpg |
| Posted by: Dénes May 15, 2007 08:12 pm | ||
What border do you mean? Gen. Dénes P.S. Did you use a metal detector? |
| Posted by: mihnea May 15, 2007 08:31 pm |
Very nice finds, what can I say.... But I have the same question as Dénes.  |
| Posted by: ANDI May 16, 2007 06:16 am |
| I meant the old border across Olt valley, Coti and Lotrului mountains. Most of my findings are "surface" finds. Only this time I have used a "supermarket" MD. It prooved quite good for 3-5cm of soil.... |
| Posted by: 21 inf May 30, 2007 06:44 pm |
| This is me firing an original Henry-Martini rifle in Malta, blank bullets, a couple of years ago. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: 21 inf May 30, 2007 06:49 pm |
| http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: ANDI June 18, 2007 07:33 pm |
| Another trip to the Campulung Muscel nearby hills...found this fuze cca. 5cm in diameter, visible markings, my guess is that it's a german time fuze for a shrapnell round. http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0895la9.jpg http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0896pd2.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI June 18, 2007 07:34 pm |
| ...a couple more: http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0897of6.jpg http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0898gr1.jpg |
| Posted by: C-2 June 20, 2007 11:13 am |
| Near my work place ,in Baneasa,there are some repair on the underground pipeline,are taking place. The ing. thatr is in charge,found a ZB rifle. He palyed with it for a while,and took it to the police. |
| Posted by: ANDI July 22, 2007 07:48 pm |
| A few days leave from work, another trip to the ww1 battlefields from Olt Valley. I found some relics on a slope without leaves, washed by the last rain, barely visible on the surface. This are the remnants of a crate of somekind... http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0967fe3.jpg ...and somekind of a frying pan, cca.25 cm in diameter... http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0968is8.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI July 22, 2007 07:55 pm |
| Mauser ammo... http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0970tc7.jpg ...some austrian and german spent cartridges and a fragment of a shell.... http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0971oi8.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI July 22, 2007 07:58 pm |
| ... one very rusty, almost destroyed, german water canteen, first type, made of enameled steel.. http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0973hq2.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI July 22, 2007 08:00 pm |
| .... the rusty cap of a german mess-kit.... http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0974wd8.jpg |
| Posted by: Ferdinand July 23, 2007 06:22 pm |
| what can i say......amazing i don't know how others think about these kind of findings, but for me, when i find something like this...man its a treasure.... really.... i once took to a museum employee a helmet for restoration and when he saw it, with battle damage...he said that has a better value as it is.. so...keep searching andi... |
| Posted by: Mannlicher July 23, 2007 06:38 pm |
| He was right. The least the items are messed with, the greater collectible value they have. |
| Posted by: ANDI July 23, 2007 08:11 pm |
| ....some more pictures: - shell fragments, you can clearly see the "slice" from a bottom part of the shell... http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0977ef6.jpg ...and the screwing end from a stick grenade.... http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0989jd3.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI July 23, 2007 08:15 pm |
| ...a nice find also: an austrian mess-kit plate/cover, once enameled... http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0975kq7.jpg ...and a bottom half of a 7.5 or 7.7cm shrapnell... http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0978vi9.jpg |
| Posted by: 21 inf July 23, 2007 09:00 pm |
| nice findings! keep searching, and posting |
| Posted by: mihnea July 23, 2007 09:15 pm | ||
Some mess-kits, the pre war ones, were tin plated. However you are doing a good job, but it would be nice to find more romanian equipment. |
| Posted by: ANDI July 24, 2007 06:10 am |
| Thanks for the appreciations guys. These are pieces of history and they deserve to be discover and seen, not for amuzement but as a remainder of those bloody days. |
| Posted by: New Connaught Ranger July 24, 2007 08:33 am |
| By all means keep searching and finding, and taking pictures, but stay safe dont go fooling with anything dangerous, we dont want to hear about you on the news or in the papers. Kevin in Deva |
| Posted by: ANDI July 24, 2007 12:00 pm | ||
Safety is my first rule, when I am doing this kind of battlefield archaeology. I have been documenting and I saw the whole variety of explosives and ammo used by the beligerants (eg. the wide range of hand grenades used by the germans...). Not to say about other dangers when I am on the mountain. Thank you. |
| Posted by: Ferdinand July 28, 2007 06:10 am |
| hey guys....it's weekend!!! i wonder what will find andi? can wait to see.... |
| Posted by: Ferdinand August 20, 2007 10:06 am |
| i went this weekend on two different battlefields places: 1. a hill near bran, were 25 romanian soldiers died storming the austro hungarian positions on sept 1916, and found trenches, fox holes, .... http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=z1mz7.jpg http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=z3kk9.jpg http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=z4jb9.jpg http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=z5by0.jpg http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=z6db9.jpg and i only found lots of barbedwire, 15 cm pieces.... and these 2 item wich i have no ideea of what they are... http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=graphic1nw2.jpg |
| Posted by: Ferdinand August 20, 2007 11:50 am |
| sunday i went to a mountain top on road fundata-campulung, former ww1 alpine front, and i found a strategic position situated on a top of a mountain, with wiews over the valleys, villages, and road. the place was sorrounded by trenches, and i went searching..... i was amazed to find lots of 7.62, akm blank cartriges(i think)....... and other items.... maybe mihnea can help us with some details as he always does http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=funzi1.jpg http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fundtnd0.jpg http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fundtays5.jpg http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s7004488wm2.jpg http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s7004490je6.jpg http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s7004494kg6.jpg http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s7004497mi6.jpg http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s7004500bi0.jpg any oppinion is wellkomed! |
| Posted by: ANDI August 20, 2007 12:10 pm | ||
I have also encountered fired blank rounds of Akm ammo on the nearby hills at Valea Mare-Pravat and other (then) remote places. These areas were training grounds for the mountain troops in the '60-'70es. As for the rest of the items it seems that you have also found a blade of somekind, but does not seem to be a fighting (trench) knife, and maybe, some tent stake. Don't want to dissapoint you but not all the items found on former ww1 battlegrounds are ww1. Nevertheless, nice findings, keep searching and posting. |
| Posted by: Ferdinand August 20, 2007 12:18 pm |
| i know that all the items that are to be found on battle places are not ww1 ww2 etc rea... i encountered a large amount of cans, bier caps etc...a lot of garbage that people leaves behind... i'll keep seeking |
| Posted by: mihnea August 20, 2007 03:33 pm | ||
The third cartridge from the right on the bottom row is a unfired 5.45x39 (from a AK-74) so probably some of these cartridges are from the '80s. All the cartridges are marked on the bottom with the year of manufacture and the factory code if you post these markings it might be easier to guess when were they were fired. The blade seems to be from an old kitchen knife , the chain probably a safety for something might be a MG, might be a truck. A personal thought: were you are searching it seems that the WWI ground level is beyond the power of your MD so I recommend you search another place, maybe a forest |
| Posted by: Ferdinand August 20, 2007 06:47 pm |
| thanx 4 the tip mihnea, it was just an exercise what happened this weekend some md go till 80cm(technical manual specification,140cm for large objects)...so it is a matter of time till the user get used to it... the top of mountain is 10-20 cm soil, then solid rock....fitness regarding the cartriges.... http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s7004504ta5.jpg http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s7004505ti4.jpg thanx |
| Posted by: RHaught August 21, 2007 10:53 am |
| Well planning on returning to Romania next summer to stay in the area around Iasi and Roman. Thanks to Red Storm over the Balkans and Third Axis, Fourth Ally can use the information to trace the routes of combat using original Heer and Luftwaffe maps from WWII. Hoping to be able to map out a route, rent a decent all-wheel-drive or 4-wheel drive vehicle to get around todays secondary and lesser roads. Going to hopefully meet up with boonicootza again (if he is up for it) to relook over the info then head out to some areas that might be promising in finding items from the war (as for the lakes/rivers do not have the diving equipment though it would be nice). If it all works out would like to meet up and maybe work together with some of the members who I have met here and in person. |
| Posted by: mihnea August 21, 2007 11:07 am | ||
The cartridges seem to have the same amount of rust on them so they were probably fired at the same time +/- a few weeks, because some were made in 1989 that means that they are there for less then 17 years. |
| Posted by: ANDI August 21, 2007 11:52 am | ||
I have found some documentation concerning this tipe of fuze and markings, also for other types of ammo, here: http://humanbonb.free.fr/indexFuseedobus.html LWM - comes from : leichte wurfmine (light mortar shell) Z.dr 2 - comes from: zunder (fuze) for 76mm shell |
| Posted by: cipiamon August 21, 2007 01:32 pm |
Hello there, a friend of mine has found a bullet, he found it his garden, in Ploiesti. Any ideeas what could it be? |
| Posted by: Sturmpionier August 21, 2007 02:23 pm |
| It could be a little "souvenir" from Tidal wave |
| Posted by: mihnea August 21, 2007 09:45 pm | ||
Old subject but I think I found a interesting detail regarding this rifle barrel, it's from a Mannlicher M95 Short Rifle (not carbine) but the fact that somebody cut 30cm off a 100cm rifle makes you wander what was the use of such a small rifle as with a 20cm barrel it was a very close range hand gun.See here in the bottom of the page: http://www.sunblest.net/gun/Mann95.htm |
| Posted by: ANDI August 22, 2007 06:04 am |
| You might be right and I am more than sure that this "operation" took place after the war and it was made by the locals who wandered this battleplaces looking for "leftovers". Many of them actually helped the army, during the war, to carry ammo and rifle crates to hide-outs (forgotten places by now..) and many of these areas were shepherds areas before and after the war, so it makes sence. I reckon these remote places were littered with war relics,even long after the war. |
| Posted by: ANDI August 26, 2007 03:38 pm |
| Well, I was on the leave for a few weeks so I took the opportunity to visit some other ww1 battlefields. I have encountered a local squirmish area, near the road, on Topolog valley, Arges county. These places have seen some heavy fightings in the autumn of 1916, between Mosoiu-Cihoski brigades (romanian 23rd infantry division) and the advancing austro-hungarian, 2nd mountain brigade. Some mixed spent cartridges and empty clips, romanian and austro-hungarian. I think this place was the scene of some heavy close range fightings... http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1037ws4.jpg http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1048cq9.jpg http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1046qo6.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI August 26, 2007 03:40 pm |
| I reckon this is another type of a diaphragm from a shrapnell shell. It was 63mm in diameter. http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1043qw5.jpg http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1044ck6.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI August 26, 2007 03:43 pm |
| Again some spent cartridges. Among them, an old m78 Henry-Martini cartridge, from the militia troops. http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1055em2.jpg http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1057sk3.jpg http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1058br9.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI August 26, 2007 03:50 pm |
| Some romanian and austro-hungarian live cartridges. http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1094bd5.jpg http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1062xz1.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI August 26, 2007 03:53 pm |
| Old barbed wire, "caught" by the growing trees...time had passed.... http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1061hj6.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI August 26, 2007 04:01 pm |
| A french F1 model 1915 hand grenade, live and deadly...left untouched. http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1059yj7.jpg http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1060oa5.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI August 26, 2007 04:06 pm |
| Meters away, one brass cover for the short type percussion fuze from a F1 french grenade. It was 30mm long and 15mm in diameter. http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1095ng2.jpg Info and pictures from here: http://images.google.ro/imgres?imgurl=http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/utah/894/4salvbd.jpg&imgrefurl=http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/utah/894/frenchgrenades.htm&h=344&w=405&sz=9&hl=ro&start=20&tbnid=i7-zr9Q-PAjTJM:&tbnh=105&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dww1%2Bgrenade%26start%3D18%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dro%26sa%3DN |
| Posted by: ANDI August 26, 2007 04:09 pm |
| And a lonely steel case - AKM ammo ...very corroded. http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1064yq7.jpg |
| Posted by: 21 inf August 27, 2007 06:29 am | ||
What did you did about the live handgrenade? Did you alerted the authorities? Because other people, not being aware about the danger, could posibly detonate it... |
| Posted by: ANDI August 27, 2007 07:39 am | ||||
Of course I did. Especially becouse it was in the path of the shepherds... I have also talked with locals and they said that unexploded ordonance like shells are quite often discovered but grenades are rarely and the region was "combed" a long time ago, in the '60es. Back then, they said that everything that was discovered safe or exploded (empty shrapnell shells, empty grenades, etc) was left on the spot... That is how they remembered, hard to tell if it is the real thing though... |
| Posted by: 21 inf August 27, 2007 08:35 am |
| Were the authorities suspicious how did you found the ammo? did they asked what were you doing in the area? I'm asking you because I also plan some "expeditions" like yours (hope with a md in the future, cos it is legal) and I want to be prepared with the contact with authorities just in case... Thnak you! Bogdan |
| Posted by: ANDI August 27, 2007 09:08 am | ||
As I said, this kind of items are not hard to find in that area and as far as I know it is not illegal to be a turist, take pictures and such... People find UXO in most strange places so why not on a remote hill? (of course, in case of a "meeting" try not to wave your md around even if you own it legal) |
| Posted by: New Connaught Ranger August 27, 2007 09:26 am | ||
This looks very much like an American .50 cal Browning Machine gun round and is quite possibly from an American Bomber. Kevin in Deva. |
| Posted by: ANDI September 16, 2007 05:27 pm |
| Week-end and a little trip to the country side to collect apples, pears and such. Did take the time to make another scan on the Oltului valley alpine front though.... Lot of romanian and austro-hungarian ammo...you might be bored but I am going to post these photos anyway. ...romanian ammo... http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1284lz4.jpg http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1294tm9.jpg austrian ammo.... http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1293hl0.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI September 16, 2007 05:53 pm |
| ....mixed spent cartridges...austrian and romanian AKM exercise rounds heavily corroded. http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1286kl0.jpg http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1282bv4.jpg |
| Posted by: Ferdinand November 08, 2007 10:45 pm |
| andi i don't know about others but i'm, for sure, not bothered by you're posts. they are interesting. pieces of history that saw the light with you're help. too bad the bad weather camed! |
| Posted by: ANDI November 10, 2007 09:01 am |
| Here are a batch of photos made two months ago on the hills around Valea Mare, Arges county. ..a couple of romanian m93 spent cartridges with a part of an empty clip nearby.. http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1318dp2.jpg An interesting looking case, pehaps this one was difformed in the rifle's chamber... http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1332qb9.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI November 10, 2007 09:04 am |
| A rusty handle from a german mess kit. Just the handle.... http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1320bv5.jpg http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1322xj2.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI November 10, 2007 09:07 am |
| The most interesting find, a leather frog from a german bayonet. One can easily see how well it is preserved and more it was found on the surface... http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1323me4.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI November 10, 2007 09:12 am |
| One unknow piece of something (with some markings on it)...my guess is that is a screw cap from a heavy caliber trench mortar. http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1326hr9.jpg http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1327le3.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI November 10, 2007 09:16 am |
| A large piece of srhapnell shell, quite 20cm long and 10cm wide... http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1328pp2.jpg http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1329qd4.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI November 10, 2007 09:20 am |
| A small fuze cap, probably from small caliber trench mortar or mountain cannon. http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1333gn0.jpg http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1334wx3.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI November 10, 2007 09:24 am |
| This is a bottom part of a trench mortar, probably the german "priest" mortar. Note the small fuze in the center. Diameter of this debris - cca. 3cm. http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1335ht8.jpg http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1336hg1.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI November 10, 2007 09:29 am |
| Another unknown but quite interesting piece. It looks like a needle but obviously is not, made of brass and in good condition. Seems to be an end part of something. If someone has info about it, please share. http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1339gh3.jpg http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1340dm2.jpg |
| Posted by: 21 inf November 10, 2007 02:58 pm |
| Interesting findings! Keep the coming, ANDI! Thanks |
| Posted by: Ferdinand November 10, 2007 07:14 pm |
| yeah!! keep seeking! |
| Posted by: mihnea November 10, 2007 08:01 pm | ||
It's impossible to do such damage with a bolt action rifle, maybe with a Maxim when it was extracted from the firing chamber and still hot. Did it had the firing cap pierced? |
| Posted by: ANDI November 10, 2007 08:38 pm | ||||
Yes, the firing cap was pierced. But this was an m93 6.5mmR romanian mannlicher cartridge case...did the Maxim gun fired such ammo? |
| Posted by: mihnea November 11, 2007 07:03 pm |
| Romania bought before WWI 453 Maxim MGs in 6,5x53r from Germany. So it's plausible that a Maxim mutilated that cartrige. |
| Posted by: Ferdinand April 06, 2008 05:36 pm |
| andi, the bad weather is keeping us inside man! |
| Posted by: ANDI April 06, 2008 06:29 pm | ||
Yeah, what can I say.... But this is temporarily |
| Posted by: ANDI May 05, 2008 05:13 pm |
| I am back with some findings from Oltului Valley, Boita area. ...deadly pieces of shell bursts... http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1629bh4.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI May 05, 2008 05:23 pm |
| Some m93 spent cartridges and empty clips... http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1634sx0.jpg http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1638pa1.jpg http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1646ax6.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI May 05, 2008 06:01 pm |
| ...and a very interesting find, a k98 broken receiver, quite rusted. You can clearly see the damage done by a shrapnell or something, cca. 3cm of it is missing, along with the extractor claw. http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1642tv7.jpg |
| Posted by: Ferdinand May 16, 2008 01:22 pm |
| former ammo bunkers, german ww2; from witness stories the bunkers were bombed by americans. here is what i found large concrete lader from one of the bukers(one of 5) http://imageshack.us unknown structure http://imageshack.us remaines of structures http://imageshack.us some remaines http://imageshack.us some earphone remains?!? http://imageshack.us no comment http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us old buildings that were used by romanian army after the war http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us that's all folks! i'll keep seeking |
| Posted by: C-2 May 16, 2008 07:41 pm |
| Where are those bunkers? |
| Posted by: Ferdinand May 17, 2008 09:22 am |
| ploiesti |
| Posted by: Messerschmitt May 17, 2008 10:24 am |
| The bullets were at surface or did you metal detect them? |
| Posted by: Ferdinand May 17, 2008 10:35 am | ||
some were at the surface, and some i had to metal "lopatat " them. i did not had md with me. i also found pineapple greandes . |
| Posted by: C-2 May 17, 2008 12:18 pm |
| Can I join you some day? |
| Posted by: Messerschmitt May 17, 2008 12:28 pm | ||||
What exactly do you mean with metal "lopatat"? |
| Posted by: Ferdinand May 17, 2008 04:06 pm |
| [QUOTE=Messerschmitt,May 17, 2008 12:28 pm][/QUOTE] What exactly do you mean with metal "lopatat"?[/QUOTE] lopatat= work with military campaign shovel(de la lopata) |
| Posted by: Mannlicher May 17, 2008 06:37 pm | ||
slap on some pictures |
| Posted by: Messerschmitt May 17, 2008 07:28 pm | ||
I ounderstand that part. The part i don`t ounderstand is how did you know they were ounderground if you didn`t had any MD. |
| Posted by: Ferdinand May 17, 2008 08:21 pm |
| focus on the spot! if you were a bullet where would you stay....beside that we dug from place to place. |
| Posted by: ANDI June 21, 2008 07:27 pm |
| ...same old, same old... german mauser spent cartridges... http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1946bn7.jpg another damaged romanian cartridge, .. http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1944na4.jpg http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1959iw5.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI June 21, 2008 07:34 pm |
| http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1837nl4.jpg http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1839rn2.jpg ...a cache of m93 empty clips and five spent cartridges...hard to say what they were doing in the same place... http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture007ok6.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI June 22, 2008 08:23 pm |
| ...one food can (among many other).. http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture002mt1.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI June 22, 2008 08:42 pm |
| ..one interestin find, an ice pickel, probably german... http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture010tn6.jpg http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture011eb4.jpg and the "cherry"... http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture003df5.jpg ...a Prussian front plate for the "pickelhaube". |
| Posted by: Ferdinand June 22, 2008 11:39 pm |
| great job andi! have you found any helmets? |
| Posted by: ANDI June 23, 2008 06:00 am | ||
Nope...no helmets of any kind. At least for now... |
| Posted by: Ferdinand June 23, 2008 12:29 pm |
| where did you searched this time? olt valley? |
| Posted by: ANDI June 23, 2008 01:43 pm | ||
No, this time I was in the forests near Neajlov river, on the road to Alexandria. |
| Posted by: mihnea June 23, 2008 03:30 pm |
| Nice, very nice. I envy you. Neajlov river... very close to Bucharest. |
| Posted by: ANDI June 24, 2008 06:06 am | ||
I think I have found the origin of this axe: http://www.germanmilitaria.com/imperial/photos/G006956.html |
| Posted by: mihnea June 24, 2008 07:41 am |
| All you need now to do is clean te steel and make a new wood handle. |
| Posted by: Ferdinand July 06, 2008 07:19 pm |
c'mon andi! we are waiting!  |
| Posted by: Ferdinand July 27, 2008 07:19 pm |
| hallo! went today in Bran-Fundata area....small sunday ride. in a place where the road is situated at high altitude, in the vecinity of Fundata, i took a walk along the road, on the side with mountain(the other side was a big valley). the dicth was full of rocks brought by rain water and among the rock there was a lot of metal parts. below are shown some pieces that i found in 2 min of walking along the road.    area looked like this(objects found in the ditch near the hill) http://imageshack.us i miss my "special firend with special power" if you know what i mean... |
| Posted by: Ferdinand August 11, 2008 06:58 pm |
| hallo! just got these rare black bakelite handgrips for the mp38-mp40, stamped with series(1488 1 & 1489 4), and 38 / z3(producer code) they have the original screw, rusty thow. the objects are part of a weapon that an old man(passed away some years ago) found near a lake in Vaslui county. his grandson told me the story : in the early days after the german retreated moldova, he(old man) went fishing and he found in the water of the lake a body of a german soldier. he and the other 2 guys that were with him run away since at those times was very dangerous to have any german item. at night he returned to the lake and took the dead soldiers weapon. anyway, this friend of mine knows about german militaria as much as someone could seen in Sergiu Nicolaescu's movies. he also told me that as a child, he found in the addic a box with some pistol bullets. he was talking about mp40 bullets. at the barn he has a german gask mask dose full of vaseline, also some other boxes full now with tools....etc. hope that i didn't got bored you with the story.      gruss! |
| Posted by: Dragos1984 August 13, 2008 02:35 pm |
| Hi, You are right that is an MP40 bakelite handles. by the markings on the back its 100% German from WW2. you have a very nice find and I think you should keep it, it's rare to have have an original item with such a wonderful story. Imagine if they can only talk |
| Posted by: Ferdinand August 15, 2008 06:02 pm |
| just spoke to y friend and he called his brother in vaslui....he said that some time ago he saw the other bakelite grips(the long pieces that came on mp's sides) and also the percution part(percutor....i don't know the word)maybe i'll be luky |
| Posted by: Dragos1984 August 16, 2008 01:38 am |
| That would be so cool! let us know what happends. |
| Posted by: ANDI August 24, 2008 05:31 pm |
| Back with some more findings from the Coti mountain and nearby Rosia village wooded hills. ...a thick shell fragment... http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture010vg1.jpg ...and a full lenght, big chunk of a shrapnell... http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture021kw1.jpg http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture022ep1.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI August 24, 2008 05:34 pm |
| ...an interesting find. One tent pole, made of copper, cca.25cm in lenght. http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture015qp9.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI August 24, 2008 05:37 pm |
| ...lots of romanian spent cartidges and empty ammo clips lying around the fox holes... http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture023hv2.jpg http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture024ku3.jpg http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture081pp9.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI August 24, 2008 06:11 pm |
| ...mixed items found on the site, empty and live cartridges in their clips... http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture160xx5.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI August 24, 2008 06:16 pm |
| ...cca. 30 empty m93, 6.5mm cartridges lying in one spot (actually there were more), most probably a machine gun nest... http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture080wp7.jpg |
| Posted by: Mannlicher August 25, 2008 07:08 pm |
| yummy! |
| Posted by: cipiamon August 25, 2008 07:55 pm |
| Andy i am waiting for a sign from you, maby we will visit some battle sites near Bucharest. I lost my phone and probably your inbox is full. |
| Posted by: ANDI October 05, 2008 08:14 pm |
| Another trip to Boita village and surrounding hills. ...unknown recipient cca.15cm in diameter, no lid, no bottom... http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc001gg7.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php |
| Posted by: ANDI October 05, 2008 08:18 pm |
| ... two exploded m93 cartridges, probably they were tossed into fire by the soldiers, judging by the way they are blown. There were no presence of shepherds in that area so I exclude other possibilities. http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc009wt0.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc010ni1.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php |
| Posted by: ANDI October 05, 2008 08:26 pm |
| ...one rusty m93 ammo clip... http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc005ef0.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php |
| Posted by: ANDI October 05, 2008 08:32 pm |
| The most interestin find: spent m93 cartridges and two french 8x50r Lebel unfired cartridges but with the bullet and powder missing (the upper left corner). This are the only (and first) time to find such cases in years of searching on the front line. I have to mention also that this are the places were the first part of the war was fought. http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc006zn4.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc007bt7.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php |
| Posted by: ANDI October 12, 2008 06:30 am |
| ... one screw cap from a german m1915 stickgrenade... http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc028qi3.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc029od6.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php |
| Posted by: ANDI October 12, 2008 01:55 pm |
| ... a huge shell fragment (you can judge the size of it in comparison with the shovel). It is still visible a part of the driving band. http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc024fe2.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php |
| Posted by: ANDI October 12, 2008 01:58 pm |
| ...again m93 cases and empty clips scattered everywhere... http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc014bx1.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php |
| Posted by: ANDI October 12, 2008 02:02 pm |
| ...some pieces found togheter (!?). german Mauser cartridges and some fragments of a shrapnell shell... http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc026yh9.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc027cp9.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php |
| Posted by: ANDI October 12, 2008 02:06 pm |
| ...one 5.45mm caliber recent catridge (but how recent, judging by it's state?). It was found on a nearby clearing in the forest. Markings: 17 over 84. http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc030ab5.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php |
| Posted by: Mannlicher November 03, 2008 06:37 pm |
| Two ZB 53 / Vz.37 machine gun belt pieces. unfortunately, in poor condition: http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img5487eo5.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img5489dh5.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php ...and a complete belt for comparison: http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zb5309fv3.jpghttp://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php |
| Posted by: Taz1 March 25, 2009 02:49 pm |
| Hy I saw here that somebody find something in the aria of Bran-Fundata. It is a story(legend maybe) in the aria that in august 1944 a german motorized company has a horible accident there. Many vehicles foll from the clips and remain there for many months, eventualy being recovered with great dificulty by the russians, they recovered even a Flack 88. Did somebody know more about the subject ? |
| Posted by: Ferdinand April 05, 2009 03:26 pm |
| hi Taz. there is some truth about some fightings arround Bran. in Marin Nastase's book called "Destinul unui militar", he is describing the battles against german troops, in Bran area. he was the commander of the famous "blue battery". now...i know the place of the first battle. it is wright outside of Bran, as you go to Rasnov. i don't know about fights on the road in Fundata area. if you are from Brasov...we must meet and see if we can find out more. |
| Posted by: 21 inf April 05, 2009 04:10 pm |
| The book of Nastase was published by Adrian Nastase, the controversed politician. Also, Marian Nastase was part of the comunist "nomenclatura", so the infos from the book are not reliable, M Nastase posed into a hero, but it seems that in reality he did things very little honorable for a military. |
| Posted by: C-2 April 05, 2009 05:50 pm |
| I posted a photo some years ago of mr nastase's grave at Ghencea military cemetry. SHAME! |
| Posted by: ANDI April 06, 2009 04:13 pm |
| I am back with findings from 2009. Again, a lot of empty m93 cartridges and a very rusty ammo clip. http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc011.jpg Here we have some Mauser cartridges tossed in fire at some point. They were quite close of each other. Percussion cap blown up, twisted and without the bullets. http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc024.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI April 06, 2009 04:20 pm |
| A very rusty blade from an entrenching tool. I think it might be imperial russian, used by romanian army (there were no russian units in the area as far as I know), and I will check for markings. There is also some wood still in place - http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc025.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI April 06, 2009 04:24 pm |
| I think this is a mess kit of some kind (it was bigger than the german ones)...Or maybe a gas mask container...Hard to say. One very rusty find, with a thin wire handle and no lid. http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc027.jpg http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc028.jpg |
| Posted by: Mannlicher April 06, 2009 05:21 pm |
| Yummy! We want more! Show us, show us |
| Posted by: ANDI April 06, 2009 05:44 pm |
| "That's all folks!"...at least for now. |
| Posted by: ANDI April 06, 2009 07:48 pm | ||
I think this was an enameled ww1 german mess kit, without the lid. Check this website, item 1013: http://www.nomanslandmilitaria.com/WW1_German_1.html I also think that the spade is german too. There are no markings on it (like on the russian ones), although they are similar. |
| Posted by: ANDI May 04, 2009 03:41 pm |
| Some more m93 rusty ammo and spent cases... http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc017.jpg http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc003.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI May 04, 2009 03:45 pm |
| One big piece from a shell fuze, cca 7cm in diameter. http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc038.jpg http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc039.jpg |
| Posted by: ANDI May 04, 2009 03:56 pm |
| Some huge chunks of shell. My guess is those pieces are debris from huge explosions caused by the AH or german heavy mortars. In one of the pics you can see the pointed tip of what appears to have been a huge shell. The metal was about 5cm in thickness and had very sharp edges still.... They were found close to some huge craters (6m in diameter) in the woods. http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc004.jpg http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc009.jpg http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cc007.jpg |
| Posted by: Taz1 April 14, 2010 01:08 pm |
| Something interesting to read : http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/110207-1/ |
| Posted by: Andreion April 13, 2011 10:35 am |
| Someone near Onesti that needs another person on their wandering the battlefields? I would like to go search some relics but i don't know where. I founded in my garden a 7,42 shell, on his but it is written 1942 A, don't know how it ended there because there was not battle field there.Does any one have a battle field map near Onesti? |
| Posted by: Ferdinand August 11, 2011 07:30 pm |
| No fishing this summer ANDI? or something happend? |
| Posted by: Ferdinand October 01, 2011 05:42 am |
| last week i was on a trip and returning to Brasov i went from Oarba De Mures-Tarnaveni-Medias-SIghisoara. -first, Oarba De Mures as seen by advancing romanian army described in Col. Ion Botea's book. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/oarbademureseditat.jpg/ -going further i arrived next to the village Cucerdea, were heavy fightings took place. I found a cross(dated 41) on the field next to some possible fortification area. Also on the field , next to the small hill, the people gather a lot of concrete pieces (from a small bunker i think). Too bad that i didn't had an MD with me what the romania army saw http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/fotografie0216p.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/813/fotografie0202.jpg/ now german/hortyist point of view over the road to Cipau http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/fotografie0206g.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/fotografie0207.jpg/ reinforced concrete pieces in the corn fields http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/fotografie0203.jpg/ |
| Posted by: Ferdinand October 01, 2011 05:47 am |
| so...i was going counter the romanian advance, next Tarnaveni. This caught my attention as it is positioned right on the hill that guards the city, surrounded by barbwire(not anymore) http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/fotografie0217z.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/fotografie0221.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/fotografie0219j.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/fotografie0218.jpg/ It's not a water tower, not power buliding....what is it? Is it from war? I thouht that it could be from war becouse of its possition(guarding the city). Also next to the building is a concrete road i wait for oppinions.... |
| Posted by: C-2 October 01, 2011 05:57 am |
| The brics are modern. No way a WW2 relict. |
| Posted by: Ferdinand October 01, 2011 05:57 am |
| Funny one... -i was about to enter Tarnaveni, i saw an old woman gathering nuts on road side. I stop and ask her about ww2, if she knows anything. I was waiting to hear as in grandmother village....germans to that....russian....bomb exploded etc. She looks at me and she said : " there where no fightings here...only at Mures area". 200 meters from her house i found this: grave for some 450-500 soldiers from Tarnaveni area battle(only romanians!!) http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/97/fotografie0222.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/fotografie0227.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/fotografie0229.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/fotografie0224k.jpg/ details for monument here http://enciclopediaromaniei.ro/wiki/Monumentul_eroilor_de_la_T%C3%A2rn%C4%83veni Man! It is dessgusting not to know what others have done for us....with supreme sacrifice! |
| Posted by: dragos October 01, 2011 07:08 am | ||
Maybe an abandoned meteorological station. |
| Posted by: 21 inf October 01, 2011 07:48 am |
| I wrote the article from Enciclopedia României. As I researched for the monument, I found no written evidence about fighting for Târnăveni. It is posible that the romanian soldiers buried in the military cemetery from Târnăveni died in another places and their bodies collected and buried in Târnăveni. This might be an explanation that there are no stories about fightings in Târnăveni. I know some other places were the authorities procedeed in this manner. Also, the nowaday military cemetery from Oarba de Mureş is not in the same location as it was when fighting ended there in ww2. Initially, military authorities established a military cemetery on the hills above the actual place of the cemetery. After some years all heroes were taken out and moved to the nowaday location. |
| Posted by: Ferdinand October 01, 2011 11:25 am | ||
possible firefighters surveilance tower? it was strange...no tracks of power panel, no wires....just the pipe that goes on top. |
| Posted by: Ferdinand October 01, 2011 02:27 pm | ||
In the book "From august until May" (Botea) it is mentioned the batle in Tarnaveni area. I doubt that the germans choose to fight heavy in the villages and take no advantage of the city. |
| Posted by: 21 inf October 02, 2011 05:03 am |
| Deposition of sergeant-major Ana Roman-Şandor, nurse at romanian military hospital from Târnăveni: "On 5 september, at about 16.30 hours arived at Târnăveni the news that german and hungarian troops atacked romanian border units from the temporary border drawed after Vienna Diktat, which was on the line of villages Ţagu, Sărmăşel, Silivaşu de Câmpie, Berghia, Ungheni and that those troops managed to break the romanian resistence from the border. Alarm was sounded. 82 Regiment who was garisoned in Târnăveni since september 1940 after being redeployed here from Târgu Mureş went to stop the enemy who was advancing toward Târnăveni from 2 directions: from Sărmaşu-Luduş and from Târgu Mureş. The enemy was met on the hills from Abuş, Mica, Cerghid, Idrifaia, Căpâlna de Sus, Cucerdea, in some cases just few kilometers from Târnăveni." source: Epopeea de pe Mureş, Târgu Mureş, 1985, page 189 So, in Târnăveni there were no fightings for the town. The town was on romanian side of the frontier so german-hungarian troops couldnt prepare resistence inside de town and they didnt manage to fight on it's streets, being repulsed in the vicinity. |
| Posted by: cipiamon December 03, 2011 03:40 pm |
| Any ideea what this can be? I found it on a hilly field, looks like it has a emblem and a number http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/pict0022g.jpg http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/pict0019ho.jpg/ |
| Posted by: Ferdinand December 03, 2011 07:50 pm | ||
it looks like a pipe's end. |
| Posted by: C-2 December 04, 2011 05:32 am |
| It's made of Fonta (I don't know the name in E). Burlan exactly.(sorry again). |
| Posted by: Dragos1984 February 11, 2012 06:52 pm |
| Hey does anyone know about the fighting that took place around Medias during ww2? |
| Posted by: Dénes February 11, 2012 08:16 pm | ||
Previously, the town was called Diciosânmartin, after it's original Hungarian name of Dicsoszentmarton. Perhaps that's the reason why you could not find any info. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: cipiamon February 23, 2012 07:03 pm |
| Piatra Neamt findings http://www.adevarul.ro/locale/piatra_neamt/Descoperire_inedita_in_zidurile_unei_scoli_din_Neamt-_Peste_100_de_cartuse_erau_dosite_in_gura_de_aerisire_a_cladirii_FOTO_0_651535249.html |
| Posted by: Ferdinand March 30, 2012 05:48 pm |
Last week i needed something to mesure a pipe, i didn't find my subler so i looked into my fathers old tool box. He has a IUS(romanian comunist era) toll box from the time when he worked in the army. It was a box for reformation(casare) with some old rusty keys and rusty tools. I tooked the old schubler and clean it from rust. I had a surprise!!!! In the comunist era cover was hiding this...   engraved is " ERNST SCHMIDT" he also has from "casare" a rusty wehrmacht jerrycan(canistra). I think now.....what was the german mechanic's fate during ww2? |
| Posted by: Hummel April 26, 2012 02:17 pm |
| Hallo Freunden! Ist das Kanone schield? http://www.myimg.de/?img=0018220df.jpg http://www.myimg.de/?img=00199ec98.jpg |
| Posted by: Hummel April 26, 2012 11:16 pm |
| Does anyone knows what this plate? |
| Posted by: Ferdinand June 14, 2012 08:39 am |
| I think it's a plate from trailer carriage used to carry a gun barrel. I think..... |
| Posted by: Ferdinand June 14, 2012 08:43 am |
found this weekend in POIANA BRASOV!!!!! Did someone know about fightings in this area in WW1 and WW2??  aprox 15 cm long, and the fuse tube is 3,5-4 cm in diameter. |
| Posted by: Radub June 14, 2012 09:53 am |
| Looks like Russian 120mm mortar rounds. May be postwar. |
| Posted by: Ferdinand June 14, 2012 10:17 am |
| What is strange is that i found it in the ground near the main road to Poiana. |
| Posted by: Ferdinand June 18, 2012 07:42 pm |
| how it looks when it's complete... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/cam5759fq6.jpg/ Original ww2 |
| Posted by: Ferdinand June 18, 2012 07:49 pm |
| http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/russian120mmmorts.jpg/ |
| Posted by: cipiamon September 17, 2012 02:24 pm |
Fresh from the ground, is it from a ww1 shell? Can it be dangerous?    |
| Posted by: C-2 September 17, 2012 05:28 pm |
| It's only the timer. No danger. |
| Posted by: cipiamon September 17, 2012 07:34 pm |
| Thank you Claudiu |
| Posted by: ANDI September 18, 2012 07:04 am |
| It's the time fuse from a 75mm caliber shrapnell shell used by the romanian army. Absolutely inert. |
| Posted by: cipiamon September 18, 2012 08:53 am |
| Thank you Andi, can you tell if is ww1 period? I was wondering what battles were in the area, as i understand the range of such mortar projectile is around 5-600 meters, that is strange, i found it almost in the center of the city, and there are no stories of fighting in the area of Bolintin. Maybe in the Arges-Neajlov battles. |
| Posted by: ANDI September 19, 2012 09:40 am |
| It was surely used in ww1 by the romanian artillery. The range of the lead balls was around 500 meters, bursting in the air at the time set, but the range of the projectile itself upon that point is measured in kilometers, 5 to 7km I reckon. The german advance towards Titu, after the Neajlov battle included Bolintin area. Anyway get used to find interesting objects in unusual places. Btw, it will clean up quite nice. |
| Posted by: 21 inf September 19, 2012 10:01 am |
| It is a canon or mortar projectile? |
| Posted by: ANDI September 19, 2012 10:17 am |
| It's a field cannon projectile. |
| Posted by: Mannlicher September 23, 2012 06:05 pm |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_75_mod%C3%A8le_1897 the father of them all... |
| Posted by: Hummel June 12, 2013 08:02 am |
| What could it be? http://s820.photobucket.com/user/stalingradfest42/media/DSC09740.jpg.html |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino June 12, 2013 10:12 am | ||
Probably onboard signal device plate from a Fleet F 10G biplane or other plane built at ICAR Bucuresti factory. |
| Posted by: Florin June 13, 2013 03:17 am | ||
Did you find it on a former battlefield, or you have bought it ? |
| Posted by: Hummel June 13, 2013 02:04 pm |
| Bought on the battlefield |
| Posted by: Hummel July 03, 2013 01:47 pm |
| ??? http://s820.photobucket.com/user/stalingradfest42/media/DSC09780-1.jpg.html |
| Posted by: Hummel July 19, 2013 01:29 pm |
| http://s820.photobucket.com/user/stalingradfest42/media/440043F0.jpg.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXru6o4PXwg&feature=c4-overview&list=UUtGBU__oDkA0lm-OILfByQw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vV8qCQU2RM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HZYYmc9F_U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w04W891vi80 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GDcQZyc8T8 |
| Posted by: Ferdinand August 30, 2013 03:49 pm |
| Former geman amunition depot located in a forest. Depo exploded in 44 after the peasant entered inside and manipulated live ammo. Lots of type of ammo, also flak and aircraft cannon ammo(i think) Place is literally a mine field. My son found on a path in the forrest, right next to the flak cartriges , parts of wood ammo box. The locker. |
| Posted by: Radub August 30, 2013 09:55 pm |
| Some of those are 20 mm rounds for the MG 151/20. Handle them with care, some of them may still contain explosives (fragmentation or Minegeschoss rounds) or phosphorus (incendiary). Radu |
| Posted by: Ferdinand August 31, 2013 07:13 pm |
| Found today on ww1 location. Objects : http://minus.com/lUv7gtVYR68k7 http://minus.com/lbyOvSPVMST8LT Most interesting piece: http://minus.com/l81onwKTNikmS http://minus.com/l4tZiXXTVLbJT location http://minus.com/lbyAr2q2xoYjTv goagal ert: http://minus.com/l5fZrn8MLPcKi Red marking: bomb crates Green: barbed wire, schrapnell...etc blue: firing position I consider the ax being very old, much older than ww1. I think it is a coincidence to be found there as time layers set one over the other. |
| Posted by: Ferdinand December 24, 2014 02:47 pm |
| anyone knows about a crash arround Rasnov? Not on the plain, but in the mountains? lots of burnt duraluminium, only on the mountain edge road. posibble that an airplane crashed into a side of the mountain and was dragged by the army on the forrest road...that's my ideea. we will explore the sides of the mountain where snow goes, now it's impossible due to the degree of angle. they can't be from IAR80 crashed landed near Rasnov...some distance. If you have any opinnions, please help id. http://minus.com/i/2hcrrnu5rduH http://minus.com/i/GGzBhSoOd2mb http://minus.com/i/lqFwCp1Rr3mI http://minus.com/i/9NQYG0P1MWgi http://minus.com/i/SDkDVuKacFXk http://minus.com/i/b2qTVaVmpY8Cz http://minus.com/i/bjFqwnxrO1B9Q bullets marks? http://minus.com/i/z5gXi9QGZxGc |