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| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 07, 2004 05:15 pm |
 Officers helmets from the Frontier Border Guards. Both helmets are from the King Carol 2 period. Helmet #1 has the old version and short lived King Carol cipher from the early 1930's. Circa 1932. Helmet #2 has the new version of the King Carol cipher. Circa 1934-1940. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 07, 2004 05:20 pm |
 Parade Dress Kepi - General of the Air Force. Circa 1934-1938. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 07, 2004 05:24 pm |
 Service visor cap - General of the Air Force. Circa 1935-1938. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 07, 2004 05:58 pm |
 Vanatori de Munte dress Alpine hat - Major. Circa 1928 with King Ferdinand cipher. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 07, 2004 06:01 pm |
 Gendarne - Officers parade helmet. Circa 1934-1940 King Carol cipher. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 07, 2004 06:08 pm |
 General of the Gendarne. 2 helmets. One with cipher and one without. The helmet without cipher was worn after King Carol abdicated the throne circa 1940. Both helmets were owned by General Radu Seinescu. Commander of the Military Gendarne (Military Police). |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 07, 2004 06:15 pm |
 Ministers For and Aft hat. Same hat as worn by Prime Minister Bratianu. Circa 1932-1938. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 07, 2004 06:23 pm |
 Officers dress helmet - Palace Guard Military Pompieri Company. (Military Fireman). Circa 1934-1940. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 07, 2004 06:28 pm |
 Photo of Artillery Colonel and Commander of the Palace Guard Pompieri Company. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 28, 2004 01:21 am |
 Lieutenant-Generals Kepi hat, circa 1895-1916. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 28, 2004 01:25 am |
 General of the Cavalry visor cap, circa 1928-1933. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 28, 2004 01:30 am |
 Frontier Border Guards (Graniceresti) Batallion Bistrita-Nasaud, circa 1934-1940. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 28, 2004 01:33 am |
 Cavalry Generals dress busby hat, circa 1934-1940. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 28, 2004 09:22 pm |
 Senior Medical officers visor cap, circa late 1920's-early 1930's. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 December 11, 2004 05:00 pm |
| Hello I am Claudiu I have put an helmet on the forum. A gendarme helmet I thought it was from King Carol the second but you sed it is from King Carol the first. You have a helmet similar from King Carol II (general Radu Seinescu), they look similar. Can you tell me please what is the diference between the helmets. Best regards Claudiu |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR December 11, 2004 06:18 pm |
| Claudiu, The cipher on the helmet is the Carol 1 cipher. Under Carol 2 their were 3 versions of helmet plates with different ciphers available. The first version being of the same style as Carol 1. A very ornate style with the addition of the Roman numerals "II" in the center. The second and third Carol 2 cipher versions you can see on the Frontier Guard helmets I have posted on this topic site. I will state that if you look at photos from the 1930's period, you will find many examples of helmets wearing the King Carol 1 cipher without the addition of the Roman numeral "II" in the center. The reason for this is not entirely clear to me. It is my opinion that many helmets from the 1930's originally adopted the Carol 1 cipher temporarily as the Carol 2 cipher was still being designed and decided on. Many helmet plates may have been reissued. Carol 2 was big on showmanship and wanted to be very flashy regarding uniforms. He introduced and made several design changes in the 1930's as you can see having 3 versions of Carol 2 ciphers. He also promoted very heavily the wear of additional orders and regimental badges. To answer your question about the Gendarne helmet, the pre-ww1 model of gendarne helmet was also used in the early 1930's. The 2nd and 3rd version of helmet plate ciphers were changed in 1932 and 1935 approximately. General Sienescu and one other Gendarne general, name escapes me for now, continued to wear their original helmets with the Carol 1 cipher into the 1940's. Why, I have no answer for you. I have a photo of him reviewing officers of the Military Gendarne regiment wearing the Carol 1 cipher and all the officers wearing the new 3rd version of Carol 2 cipher ")(" in a circle. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 December 11, 2004 06:36 pm |
| Thank you very much for your answer. Best regards Claudiu |
| Posted by: dragos December 22, 2004 09:59 pm |
| Just found this photograph in a family album |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR January 02, 2005 04:06 pm |
| Dragos, Who is the General standing to the right wearing the summer white dress uniform with the Order of Ferdinand at the neck and the order of Michael the Brave on the medal bar ? |
| Posted by: dragos January 02, 2005 04:29 pm | ||
I don't know since nothing was written on the back of the photo. Also it seems that the photgraph has been cut with a pair of scissors near the general, and this is only the left part of the original photo. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR January 02, 2005 05:00 pm |
| Perhaps the person standing to the right of the General had to keep a low profile after the war ??? This could be the reason for this photo being cut. I see this this kind of practice alot after the war under the communist rule. Alot of people destroyed or defaced photos as to disassociate themselves from the Royal regime. They did the same with alot of military personal effects from the Royal period. Destroyed alot of uniforms and militaria after the war as to remove themselves from the old regime so that they would not be considered Royal sympathizers by the communist. It is too bad for the younger generation as alot of militaria had been destroyed. |
| Posted by: Carol I January 31, 2005 10:16 pm | ||
 The general is wearing the insignia of a Grand Officer of the Order of Carol I, not that of the Order of Ferdinand I. I would also be interested if someone could identify this officer. |
| Posted by: Victor February 20, 2005 08:45 pm |
| Could he be the colonel in this photo from 1932? |
| Posted by: Carol I February 20, 2005 09:12 pm | ||
Probably. Who is he? |
| Posted by: Victor February 20, 2005 09:15 pm |
| Colonel ?? Georgescu, CO of the Artillery Officer School. |
| Posted by: Carol I February 20, 2005 09:27 pm | ||
Thanks Victor. Any idea why he might have received the Grand Officer of the Order of Carol I? |
| Posted by: Carol I February 20, 2005 10:41 pm |
| I thought a bit more and something is not quite right. Are you certain about the date when the second photo was taken? Please note that the colonel does not have the insignia of the order of Carol I, not even in commander class. As both the Commander class and the Grand Officer class of the Order of Carol I were deleted in the spring of 1932, he must have done something outstanding to receive the Grand Officer right before the class disappeared. The question is what could have done a CO of a military school to deserve it? Please note also the increase in the number of decorations worn by the officer. Furthermore, the general in the first photo has the Michael the Brave Order, while the colonel in the second photo does not have it. Was it a late award for WWI? That late (after 1932, if the date is right)? |
| Posted by: Victor February 21, 2005 07:12 am |
| Sorry, the date is 1 July 1931. I know he isn't wearing the MV Order and there were none awarded in the '30s to Romanians (only to the Polish regiment Carol II was honorary CO). But who knows? Maybe he couldn't find that day.  He looks like the general in the photo above and he could have become a general in the late '30s. It is a possibility. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR February 21, 2005 01:30 pm |
| I do not think it is the same person. The person from the 1931 photo looks to be wearing a pre-1932 Artillery tunic with captains shoulder boards (3 stripes and no center braid), but it does have a regimental cypher on it. He also wears a Michael the brave or Order of the Crown Regimental unit citation aguilette on his shoulder. The order of the Star he wears is different in style than the order in the Generals photo. |
| Posted by: Carol I February 27, 2005 09:39 am | ||
It could also happen that the officers in the two photos were related. That will explain both the resemblance and the differences. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 March 11, 2005 09:33 pm |
| Hello, Did the romanian troops worn M28 dutch helmets after 1945 , with out the emblem of King Carol II? |
| Posted by: Dénes March 11, 2005 10:09 pm |
| Yes. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: dragos March 11, 2005 10:22 pm | ||
I think you were speaking of the M39 helmets. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 March 13, 2005 07:44 pm |
| Yes M39 helmets. Did they used M39 helmets and russian ssh40 helmets in the same time? |
| Posted by: Carol I October 07, 2005 08:25 pm | ||||
I think I have found him! http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/ministrii/53_G, Chief of the General Staff (21.06.1927-11.08.1932) and Minister of Defence (11.08.1932-14.11.1933). http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/ministrii/53_G Source: http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/ministrii/53_G |
| Posted by: dragos October 07, 2005 08:48 pm |
| Good job, Carol I ! |
| Posted by: Carol I October 07, 2005 09:08 pm |
| Another (earlier?) photo of General Nicolae Samsonovici. Apparently he also served as Chief of the General Staff between 11.12.1934 and 01.02.1937. http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/album04/40_G Source: http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/album04/40_G |
| Posted by: Kepi October 08, 2005 05:40 pm | ||
The first helmet belongs to the 1st Frontier Guard (Graniceri) Regiment "King Carol II" (bears the typical cipher of this unit) and was carried between 10th of May 1933 and April 1941, for Ceremonial uniform. The second helmet was carried by all Frontier Guard regiments from 1930 till April 1941, on Ceremonial uniform. Both are officer helmets. Other ranks had similar helmets but with leather straps, as the German WW1 spiked helmets, instead of scales. |
| Posted by: Kepi October 09, 2005 06:10 am | ||
This visor cap is definitely not and Air Force head dress. From 1930 all Air Force personnel wore gray-blue uniforms. Light blue distinctive colour on a kaki (Army) cap was carried only by Gendarmes officers/generals. |
| Posted by: Kepi October 09, 2005 06:19 am | ||
The two hat ornaments: feathers and pom-pom, were never carried together. The feathers were carried only on ceremonial uniform and the pom-pom, for gala uniform. The hat belonged to a Rifle ("Vanatori") Regiment officer, between 1930 – 1941, and was carried for gala or ceremonial dress. Even if this hat was worn during King Carol II reign, King Ferdinand cipher (double “F”) demonstrate that the officer was promoted Second Lieutenant during King Ferdinand reign. Mountain Rifles ("Vanatori de Munte") officers wore gray uniforms and berets, not hats. |
| Posted by: Kepi October 09, 2005 06:34 am | ||
The helmet of the left belonged to a Romanian gendarme officer (1912-1930), or a Frontier Guard officer (1908-1930). The cipher crown is missing and the general star looks strange. The helmet of the right is a German dragoons head dress (about 1900). Note the specific long spike. The original badge is missing and was replaced by a Romanian general sun. |
| Posted by: Kepi October 09, 2005 09:27 am | ||
This is a M.1930 Firemen (“Pompieri”) officer ceremonial helmet. The vertical plume should be in red small cut feathers. White horse hair plume was carried only by Rosiori officers. |
| Posted by: Cristian October 09, 2005 04:16 pm |
| http://www.military-collections.com/romania.html For who is interested |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR October 30, 2005 05:15 pm | ||||
There is a difference between a Pompieri Fireman which is a civil servant (wore a different helmet) and that of a military Pompieri Fireman who were mainly made up of Artillery officers who were in charge of protecting the Royal Palaces. http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photogrouproyalguardfireman5zj.jpg |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR October 30, 2005 05:21 pm |
| http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photoroyalguardfiremanregiment.jpg Commanding Colonel of the military Fireman. Notice the artillery tunic. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR October 30, 2005 05:24 pm |
| http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photoroyalguardfiremanregiment.jpg A photo of an earlier commanding colonel of the unit. Again, he is wearing an artillery uniform. Notice in the group photo the white plumes that are worn. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR October 30, 2005 05:29 pm |
| http://img414.imageshack.us/my.php?image=palaceguards7wf.jpg Helmet worn by that Royal Palace Guard Regiment and the Royal Guard Cavalry Regiment. |
| Posted by: Kepi October 31, 2005 09:34 am | ||
Congratulation for the very intersting and unique photos. According the 1930 regulatrion, all military firemen officers wore for special events (Great Gala dress Nr. 1, Gala dress Nr. 2, Evening dress Nr. 3 and Ceremonial dress Nr. 4) artillery uniforms: double breasted brown tunics with red collar and pointed cuffs, with black piping. On the collar was embroidered the artillery symbol: the flamed grenade over to crossed axes. The same symbol was stamped on the buttons and cartridge pouch. The firemen used artillery style tunics because between 1872 and about 1900 they also were territorial artillerists. In that particularly photo, the military firemen wear the Service dress Nr. 5, with helmet, kaki tunic and breeches, white shirt, black tie, fringed epaulettes, cartridge pouch, gold waist belt, red leather gloves, black riding boots. In the group photo, only the commander of the unit carries white heron plume, all other officers have cock red feathers. Military firemen units were the main fire defence units in Romania. They all wore the same uniform. Civilian firemen services were set up in different cities, most of them in Transylvania as remainder of the pre-1918 era, and have a great variety of civilian uniforms and helmets. Some samples of these head dresses could be seen in the Firemen Museum of “Foisorul de Foc”, in Bucharest. |
| Posted by: Kepi October 31, 2005 09:35 am | ||
This colonel carried the 100 years anniversary gorget, adopted in 1935 to commemorate the set up of the first firemen military unit in Moldavia, in 1835. |
| Posted by: Kepi October 31, 2005 09:47 am | ||
White heron plume was the symbol of an unit commander for all branches of the army. |
| Posted by: Kepi October 31, 2005 09:51 am | ||
This helmet was carried by the Royal Escort/Horse Guard Regiment officers and men, because it bears the cipher of King Carol I . Officers and men of the Palace Guard Battalion and Kings’ aid-de-camps & military attaches had similar helmets but with the cipher of King Carol II. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 March 27, 2006 05:11 pm |
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| Posted by: Claudiu1988 March 27, 2006 05:12 pm |
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| Posted by: Claudiu1988 March 27, 2006 05:14 pm |
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| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR March 28, 2006 12:43 pm |
| I susupect that the visor cap and front visor cap patch insigina do not go together. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR March 29, 2006 12:52 pm |
| It looks like an early 1930's period Air Force patch for NCO's applied to a late 1930's period Artillery cap for junior officers. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 April 02, 2006 03:32 pm |
| Thanks. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 April 02, 2006 03:34 pm |
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| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 17, 2006 05:04 pm |
| My collection of Royal Romanian Naval officers Bicorn ( Fore and Aft ) Hats. All different. Period WW1 - WW2. http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bicorns2mf.jpg |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 17, 2006 05:08 pm |
| A very interesting bright blue Beret from the mid to late 1930's period. Society of Military Combatant Veterans of the great Battle of Marasesti. http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vet13yj.jpg |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 17, 2006 05:09 pm |
| Side view. http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vet25cq.jpg |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 17, 2006 05:11 pm |
| Front insignia bullion patch of King Carol II. http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vet45oi.jpg |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 17, 2006 05:14 pm |
| Side View insignia. " SOC.-MARASESTI COMBATANT " http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vet39sm.jpg |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 January 24, 2008 02:19 pm |
| What can you tellmme about this cap??? http://imageshack.us www.okazii.ro |
| Posted by: Kepi January 24, 2008 03:55 pm |
| This is a M.1941 senior officer peaked cap of the Medical Service. The false chinstrap is missing. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 January 24, 2008 04:28 pm | ||
Thanks , for the help Kepi. I can always count on you . What is a "false chinstrap "??? |
| Posted by: zero November 25, 2008 06:18 pm | ||
very beautiful! |