Would you like to show us some pictures of your pieces?
Kevin in Deva,
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| Posted by: hughwbrock May 23, 2007 03:15 pm |
| I have been collecting Rumanian decorations for a few years. I am very confused about the MV order. I have one fine quality 1941 Third Class in silver gilt that is of the quality I would expect. All of the others I have seen are gilded bronze and from the details, practically no two are made by the same maker. Could someone please post some high quality photos of known 1) issue pieces and 2) period second pieces of the 1941 version? For such a high decoration, the quality of almost all the ones I have seen does not seem good enough. The common Rumanian orders and medals are better quality. Also, what should they be made of? As I understand it, the current issue is made of silver and gilded. Also, the First Class pin back badge: How many 1941's were awarded? From the list on the site, only a few of the highest ranking German generals were awarded the MV. How many Germans total got the First Class MV? Are the names known? |
| Posted by: b737 May 23, 2007 07:39 pm |
| http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=3055 http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1074 |
| Posted by: b737 May 23, 2007 07:45 pm |
| http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1170 http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2690 |
| Posted by: New Connaught Ranger May 23, 2007 07:55 pm |
| Hallo hughwbrock Would you like to show us some pictures of your pieces? Kevin in Deva, |
| Posted by: hughwbrock May 25, 2007 10:44 am |
| There is a First Class 1941 MV on the current Zeige auction. Is it an award piece or a second piece? Had trouble trying to post photos of other badge. |
| Posted by: mabadesc May 25, 2007 11:02 pm |
| I saw the picture on the Zeige site, and what strikes me as unusual is that it's a MV 1st class with Swords. |
| Posted by: boonicootza May 25, 2007 11:35 pm |
| For future reference: http://img153.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=35864_25809_122_842lo.jpg http://img34.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=35874_25586_122_1145lo.jpg http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=35880_25486_122_994lo.jpg Images from http://www.zeige.com/en/index2.html |
| Posted by: hughwbrock May 28, 2007 03:18 am |
| How do I post image? |
| Posted by: Victor May 28, 2007 06:29 am |
| See the image posting guide, here: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2093 |
| Posted by: hughwbrock May 29, 2007 11:27 am |
| Have tried to post photos but have forgotten name/password for the photo post software and cannot get it to tell me what it is---don't know if it is caught in spam blocker or what. Need help. |
| Posted by: boonicootza May 29, 2007 12:59 pm |
| Send me an email with the photos, I will post them for you. boonicootza@yahoo.com |
| Posted by: boonicootza June 04, 2007 11:04 am |
| http://xs.to Posted for hughwbrock |
| Posted by: hughwbrock June 04, 2007 06:16 pm |
| Thanks for help with the photos! Anyone know who the manufacturer of this badge is and when it was made? Will get photos of the 3 Cl soon. Hugh |
| Posted by: boonicootza June 10, 2007 11:33 am |
| As far as I know, the First Class of the order looked different. There are both the cyphers of Ferdinand and Michael and the dates 1916 and 1941 on the obverse. I suspect that yours is a recently made copy. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 June 10, 2007 11:52 am | ||
Yes boonicootza is right, yours is a modern copy. Look what is writen on the ww2 site about the Order Michel the Brave 1941 first class: "On the 1941 model, the cipher of Mihai I and the year 1941 were added on the cross: 1st class had from up to down: 1916, Ferdinand's cipher, Mihai's cipher and 1941." |
| Posted by: Victor June 10, 2007 12:09 pm | ||
1. Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering: 1st, 2nd and 3rd classes by Royal Decree no. 2868/14 October 1941 2. Admiral Erich Raeder: 1st, 2nd and 3rd classes by Royal Decree no. 2868/14 October 1941 3. Generalfeldmarschall Braucshitsch: 1st, 2nd and 3rd classes by Royal Decree no. 2868/14 October 1941 4. Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel: 1st, 2nd and 3rd classes by Royal Decree no. 2868/14 October 1941 5. Generalfeldmarschall von Rundstedt: 1st class by Royal Decree no. 2550/1 September 1942 (CO Army Group West) 6. Generalfeldmarschall von Bock: 1st class by Royal Decree no. 2550/1 September 1942 (CO Army Group South) 7. Generaloberst Ewald von Kleist: 1st and 2nd classes by Royal Decree no. 3034/6 October 1942 (CO 1st Panzer Army) Finland: 1. Marshal Carl Gustav Mannerheim: 1st, 2nd and 3rd classes by Royal Decree no. 3026/1 November 1941 Italy: 1. Marshal Umberto of Savoy: 1st, 2nd and 3rd classes by Royal Decree no. 1783/26 July 1943 (CO Italian Army Group South) |
| Posted by: b737 June 10, 2007 05:36 pm |
| This is Hermann Göring's set ! You can see also how the first class badge must be. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: mabadesc June 11, 2007 02:59 am | ||
Any idea if any of the first class orders were awarded "with swords"? |
| Posted by: Victor June 11, 2007 06:11 am | ||||
The MV Order with swords is the 1944 model, instituted after 23 August 1944. All the orders received by Germans during WWII are 1941 models. |
| Posted by: mabadesc June 12, 2007 01:06 am |
| -model 1944: 3 1st class, 10 2nd class, 34 3rd class This means that the 1st class order currently on sale on the Zeige auction site is one of only 3 ever awarded. Wow, that's pretty rare! I'm assuming it belonged to one of the Soviet Marshalls... |
| Posted by: Victor June 12, 2007 05:07 am |
| Assuming it is original. The numbers I gave were for orders awarded to foreigners. The King probably also received the new model of the 1st class. |
| Posted by: hughwbrock June 15, 2007 03:12 pm |
| Which WW2 site are you referring to? Would like to view it. I have only Vernon's Guide (which is useless for this grade) and Stefan, Neculae & Dumitrascu's ROMANIA DECORATII 1859-91. Perhaps someone can translate the latter for me: "In anul 1941 ordinul a primit pe avers cifrul incoronat al regelui Mihai I si pe bratul inferior asl crucii anul 1941." Again, there is no picture of a first class badge (pin back). As I read it, it says: "In 1941, regulations changed the front to bear the royal cypher of Michael I with at date 1941 on the lower arm of the cross". No mention of the Ferdinand cypher. Please correct me if I am wrong---I don't know any Rumanian. Anyone have any clear period photos of the badge? The ones I have seen are not that clear, but the badge does not seem to have both cyphers on the front. |
| Posted by: hughwbrock June 15, 2007 03:14 pm |
| Sorry. Thanks. |
| Posted by: mabadesc June 27, 2007 05:08 am | ||
I checked the auction site again and the order is no longer there. They either took it offline, or, more likely, it was sold. Whoever bought it, I think it was a good investment for him (assuming it was an original item, as Victor mentioned). The price was quite moderate too. If I recall correctly, it was going for 3000 or 4000 Euros. |