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| Posted by: crusader March 16, 2006 10:44 am |
| Hello again! A few days ago I've got this order of the star, officers class, including the case. Is it an original piece? And why I can't find a stamp of the MN? crusader http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=06182vs7id.jpg http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=06182rs6em.jpg Oh, I fogot to say that there was also this crimean shield given to the same officer: http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=krim3mz.jpg |
| Posted by: Carol I March 16, 2006 11:09 am | ||
Not all badges were stamped by the National Mint. Now regarding your piece, the badge looks like the one on the http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=271§ion=8&article=110 of this site. What drew my attention however was the narrow ribbon typical of German awards. Was it an award to a German officer? |
| Posted by: crusader March 16, 2006 11:40 am |
| Yes, indeet it was given to an german officer. Is it typical that these orders are given with such an ribbon and not with the romanian ribbon (I mean with the hook at the rear side) to germans? There was also a small ribbon given with, i think for minatures. crusader |
| Posted by: Carol I March 16, 2006 12:24 pm | ||
Thanks for the reply. Actually, I was referring to the width of the ribbon, not to the presence of a hook on its back. Romanian ribbons are somewhere between 3.5 and 4 mm wide (roughly equivalent to the width of the cross), while yours appears much narrow. What is its width? |
| Posted by: crusader March 16, 2006 12:43 pm |
| The greater ribbon is measuring 2,5cm (wich means in mm for red-gold-siver... approx. 1-2-2-14-2-2-1), the small one 1,5cm (approx. 0.5-1-1-9-1-1-0.5). So it is smaller than expected and also smaller than german ones, which are normally 3,0cm or more. Do you know what is the reason for this? crusader |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR March 16, 2006 01:38 pm |
| It looks original. Gilting is a bit different but I would say late war variation. A little on the heavy side which makes it seam like it is cast. What stands out is that the enameling is all correct. This is something that will never be duplicated by someone producing fakes today. If you study enameling and how it was produced during the period versus how it is produced on badges today, as well as study the color of pigmentation then and now, you can immediately recognize if a piece is genuine. |
| Posted by: crusader March 16, 2006 08:37 pm |
| That's an interesting information! Could you give me some datails where I can found more to read about enameling? |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR March 17, 2006 01:39 am |
| There is no information that I know of that is in written form describing enameling on orders for collectors. Some of the old time orders collectors who collect world orders can educate you to the process used for enameling in the 1800's, early 1900's and today. It has changed over the years as well as the pigmentation of these enamels. Knowledge comes from years of collecting, seeing original pieces, and talking with advance collectors. The study of enamel work and pigmentation can be researched on your own. I have been the enamel business since 1981 and have been collecting orders since 1976. It has been self education as to how enamelling on orders have been produced then and now. With this knowledge, you can spot fakes as the enameling and pigmentation can not be fully duplicated from the methods used years ago. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 March 19, 2006 02:40 pm |
| What do you think about this Star of Romania? The enamel is restorated. http://imageshack.us Source.www.okazii.ro |
| Posted by: b737 March 19, 2006 03:36 pm |
| It is a piece made by Kretly, it is an early model from this order...! The unification order was manufactured also by Kretly! The blue enameling must to be restored completely, the cross is painted with black paint!!!! |
| Posted by: Carol I March 19, 2006 04:41 pm | ||
Do you know during what period did Krétly manufacture Romanian orders? From 1864 until ... |
| Posted by: b737 March 19, 2006 04:58 pm | ||||
If I remember well, Kretly was "asimilated" by Artus Bertrand until 1900 or something like that.... |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 March 19, 2006 05:07 pm |
| Is the ribbon original ? Does the order worth 200 ron? |
| Posted by: Carol I March 19, 2006 05:25 pm | ||||||
Then it is something suspicious about it. The piece is said to be marked and Romanian silver was started to be marked only from 1906.  |
| Posted by: b737 March 19, 2006 05:39 pm | ||||||||
Is the hallmark a romanian hallmark????Is there a specification that it is a romanian silver mark?It could be the manufacturers mark! |
| Posted by: Carol I March 19, 2006 05:49 pm | ||
You are right. I didn't think of that. |
| Posted by: Carol I April 07, 2006 03:00 pm |
How common were these badges? Were they officially or privately manufactured? As far as I know, the regulations specified that the holder should wear both wartime and peacetime awards (hence no reference to "composite" badges). Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I April 07, 2006 03:10 pm |
One more example of a "composite badge" of the Order of the Star of Romania Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I April 07, 2006 03:35 pm |
And a third one - Comments? Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I April 09, 2006 10:52 am |
No replies this far.  Well, here are some of my thoughts. The manufacture quality of these badges appears to be rather high suggesting a jeweller's workshop not an improvised manufacture. Furthermore, the badges appear to have similarities in the details indicating the same workshop. If these pieces were not official issues, what are the odds that not one but three military persons had the initiative to combine their peacetime and wartime awards into one badge and made their insignia in one and the same workshop? On the other hand, if they were official issues, has anyone seen a reliable confirmation of their existence? Of course, there is also the possibility that the pieces were later (recently?) assembled, making them only fantasy badges. But is this likely or not? |
| Posted by: Cuza April 09, 2006 12:10 pm | ||
"If the recipient had displayed merit in the peace-time and, later, in war also, he was allowed to wear his decoration with swords in both places i.e. through the middle of the cross and also above it." Klietmann, Phaleristik Rumanien pg. 27 |
| Posted by: Carol I April 09, 2006 12:58 pm | ||
Thanks Cuza. I must read Klietmann more often. |
| Posted by: mihai July 15, 2006 02:56 am |
| There are other piece of variation of The Order. http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8767/a7a3aa1pg7.jpg source ebay |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia August 30, 2006 11:29 pm |
| I don't think the appropriate word is "variation" . Actually that model is the first model of the "Steaua Romaniei" . More precisely Knight - military -war - time issued. The color of the metal is not clear , if is gilted then it should be Officer not Knight but the ribbon is for knight. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 August 11, 2007 10:35 am |
| What do you think about this piece??? http://imageshack.us Shot at 2007-08-11 www.okazii.ro |