Gen. Dénes
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| WorldWar2.ro Forum > Awards & Badges > Romanian ethnic regimental badge |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 02, 2006 08:19 am |
| Recently I had the oportunity to buy this badge. The "Szekely" are a hungarian ethnic group from Romania. Before seeng this badge , I had no ideea there was such a regiment. The sun and moon are from Transylvania's symbols. On the back there is a serial number too - 46. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: b737 January 02, 2006 11:14 am | ||
Maybe a local patriotic badge! |
| Posted by: b737 January 02, 2006 11:17 am |
| ...like this one... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: b737 January 02, 2006 11:20 am |
| ..or this one! http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR January 02, 2006 01:59 pm | ||
I do not know if this badge is military or not. It is interesting to see that it is a cast badge. Yet another example of a cast piece insted of a stamped manufacture. |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 02, 2006 02:48 pm |
| I forgot to translate the text of the badge . The "Szekelyhadosztaly" means the "The Szekely Regiment" so obviously it couldn't be something else non military. |
| Posted by: dragos03 January 02, 2006 03:16 pm |
| Maybe the blue badge is from the time of Bela Kun's Hungarian Soviet Republic, which had some Szekler volunteer units. That would explain the serial number and the poor quality. |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 02, 2006 03:29 pm |
| Here's another one similar , it was on eBay a week ago. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 02, 2006 03:31 pm | ||
This is a regimental badge of the reserve officers from Brasov , before 1918. |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 02, 2006 03:34 pm | ||
It seems that's a Hungarian irredentist badge. The translation for that is : "Now we are here and we stay here". I don't think that's a military badge. |
| Posted by: b737 January 02, 2006 03:44 pm |
| Badge from Sibiu http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR January 02, 2006 04:14 pm | ||
This one is stamped badge with the number 175 in the sun. |
| Posted by: Dénes January 03, 2006 04:43 pm |
| Another one, related to the Transylvanian Saxons [from eBay]: Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Dénes January 03, 2006 04:56 pm | ||
The "Székely Hadosztály" (Sekler Regiment) has nothing to do with the Rumanian Army, perhaps that's why you didn't hear about it. The unit was formed by Col. Károly Kratochwill on January 20, 1919, with former Hungarian & Székely soldiers from Transylvaia, to fight the Rumanian troops advancing into Western Transylvania. There were several rather heavy battles between the two sides. Reportedly, famous Rumanian historian Constantin Kiritescu, in his book 'Istoria pentru intregirea Romaniei, 1916-1919' , mentioned the battle of Beius (Belényes), for example. This badge was manufactured in the inter-war period for the former member of the "Székely Hadosztály". It was ususally worn on the cap, but sometimes it was pinned to the tunic as well. I would be interested in purchasing such a badge, if available. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Dénes January 03, 2006 04:59 pm | ||||
Did you buy this badge, RUC? If yes, you snatched it from under my nose.  Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: b737 January 03, 2006 05:16 pm |
| What about this? http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: b737 January 03, 2006 05:20 pm |
| ... or this?It's something from Cluj... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 03, 2006 06:03 pm | ||||||
Nope , I didn't . I have already one. |
| Posted by: Dénes January 03, 2006 06:19 pm | ||||
That note was addressed to REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR (RUC). BTW, if you could find this Székely badge for me, at a reasonable price, I'd appreciate it. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Dénes January 03, 2006 06:21 pm | ||
'Erdélyi Szépmíves Céh' was a cultural organization of Transylvanian-Hungarians. It's still active today. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Dénes January 03, 2006 06:24 pm | ||
EKE=Erdélyi Kárpát Egyesület, another cultural organization of Transylvanian-Hungarians. Kolozsvár is obviously Cluj (in Rumanian). Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 03, 2006 06:29 pm | ||||||
What do you mean by reasonable ? |
| Posted by: Dénes January 03, 2006 06:37 pm | ||||
He-he.  You come up with the price and I'll tell you if I can accept it or not. Thanks, in advance, Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 03, 2006 07:11 pm |
I guess you thought at something below 66 USD since you didn't won the auction on eBay. He he.  |
| Posted by: Dénes January 03, 2006 07:34 pm | ||
You're absolutely correct. Actually, I wasn't the second highest bidder, either. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 04, 2006 04:41 am |
| Too bad , this badge in my opinion , at 66 usd , was a low price. For mine I paid a bigger amount. |
| Posted by: Dénes January 04, 2006 04:53 am | ||
You're right again. Here's a clue: you just woke up and I will just go to bed. But this is way off topic... Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 04, 2006 11:01 am |
| Another Transylvanian badge. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: dragos03 January 07, 2006 09:58 pm |
| Constantin Kiritescu claims in his book about WW1 that the Szekler units were some of the best units faced by the Romanian army in the 1919 campaign against Hungary. |
| Posted by: Dénes January 07, 2006 10:38 pm | ||
Perhaps because they were the most motivated ones. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Dénes January 09, 2006 04:50 pm |
| Another badge representing Transylvania (from eBay). Gen. Dénes  |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR January 16, 2006 01:50 am |
| [QUOTE=aviatiadasenzatia,Jan 2 2006, 03:31 PM][QUOTE=b737,Jan 2 2006, 11:17 AM] ...like this one... http://imageshack.us [/QUOTE] Variation without the red scroll at the bottom and in silver finish not gold. http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=transilvania4dh.jpg |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 16, 2006 11:51 am |
| Superb !! Never seen this model until now. What is the size of it ? (in cm please) |
| Posted by: boonicootza January 17, 2006 06:09 pm |
| A similar pin that was on sale on okazii some time ago http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: b737 January 17, 2006 07:24 pm |
This one??  http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: boonicootza January 17, 2006 08:17 pm |
exactly that one  |
| Posted by: Victor January 17, 2006 08:25 pm |
| The SKV was not a military organization, but a mountaineering one. |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 23, 2006 11:10 am |
| Here's another ethnic ... medal. German ethnic from Reshitza (Resita). http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 23, 2006 11:11 am |
| And another one from Sibiu (Hermannstadt). Also German. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 23, 2006 11:13 am |
| And from Bistritz (Bistrita). http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia January 23, 2006 11:15 am |
| And Bucharest.... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia April 27, 2006 09:07 pm |
| Here is a variation , made in silver (with hallmarks), of the Brasov Reserve Officers Association badge. For comparation I made the photo together with the "big size badge". http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: b737 July 17, 2006 01:09 pm |
| Some pre ww2-WHW-VDA badges: Hermanstadt-Sibiu Schäßburg-Sighisoara Bistritz-Bistrita Nösnergau-Nasaud(Bistrita) Mediasch-Medias http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=g23vdaur3.jpg |
| Posted by: Dénes July 17, 2006 01:30 pm | ||
The German equivalent of the Rumanian name Nasaud was Nassod (similar to the Hungarian Naszód). I couldn't find yet what was Nösnergau standing for. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: b737 July 17, 2006 01:34 pm | ||||
Try here: http://szabo.adatbank.transindex.ro/index.php3?action=megye&megye=12 |
| Posted by: Dénes July 17, 2006 01:35 pm |
| It turns out that Nösnergau was one of the original German names of the current Bistriţa: Bistriţa [Bistriţiu, Bistriţă, Târgul Roşu] = Bistritz, Nösen [in Nösnerland, Nösnergau]. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: b737 July 17, 2006 01:39 pm | ||
Not only Bistrita, it is the region.In German "GAU" means-district, region |
| Posted by: Dénes July 17, 2006 01:44 pm |
| You're correct. That's why the dual names: Nösnerland, Nösnergau, both representing a wider area, not only a particular town. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: b737 July 17, 2006 01:46 pm | ||
Danke! |
| Posted by: Dénes November 06, 2006 09:16 pm |
Here's whay I found today on eBay: There are three letters in the centre: I.O.V. Could this be a badge for ethnic Transylvanian German war amputees? The odd-shape steel helmet makes me think otherwise. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: b737 November 07, 2006 05:34 pm | ||
IOV could mean Invaliden und Opfer Verein -Society for Invalids and Victims ?!!! |
| Posted by: Kepi November 07, 2006 07:52 pm | ||
I.O.V. could mean Inavizi-Orfani-Vaduve (Inavids-Orphans-Widows). This definitely should be a I.O.V. badge of Romanian veterans in Transylvania as it has the tricolour edge and the Adrian helmet over the Transylvanian coat of arms. |
| Posted by: Dénes March 28, 2007 02:00 pm | ||||
Another identical badge is on now sale, identified as "Bruststern der Offiziersvereinigung Siebenbürgen" (an original Nadel, emailliert, Größe ca. 58 mm). |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR March 29, 2007 03:14 am | ||||
I agree with Kepi. This badge is for Inavizi-Orfani-Vaduve (Inavids-Orphans-Widows) of WW1. |
| Posted by: boonicootza March 23, 2008 10:23 pm |
| Here is another one from Sibiu: http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: b737 March 25, 2008 07:50 pm | ||
Why are you so sure that it is from Sibiu ??? The emblem on it is the transylvanian crest! As I know, this association had members all over Transylvania ! By the way, very nice piece,congratulations! This is the coat of arms from Sibiu : http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=g3vb9.jpg |
| Posted by: boonicootza March 25, 2008 08:51 pm |
| Indeed, it's not only from Sibiu. This was the info I had from the seller. This is Siebenbürgen: http://imageshack.us If you google Siebenbürgischer Karpathenverein, it appears a conection with Hermannstadt (Sibiu) and I thought the seller was right. |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia May 08, 2008 08:56 am |
| Regarding the Székely Hadosztály badge I found something interesting on the net. This badge could be related at least on two important events. The first one is related to 1918 http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sz%C3%A9kely_Hadoszt%C3%A1ly and the second one to the 1919 events from Hungary : http://www.hhrf.org/erdelyinaplo/cikk_nyomtatas.php?id_cikk=2811. Unfortunately all the articles on the net about this regiment are written in Hungarian. |
| Posted by: 21 inf May 08, 2008 04:07 pm |
| The first article you linked from wikipedia doesnt says too much about Szekely Hadosztaly (Sekler Division, Divizia Secuiasca). It is said only in great lines that S. H. was located in Transylvania in 1918, joined other hungarian divisions trying to opose romanian troops who entered Transylvania and eventually that S. H. gave themselves as prisoniers to romanian troops. Also, some info about number of men and weapons of the division and the places it fought. The article covers only general informations about S.H. The second one, from Erdely Naplo (Transylvanian Journal, Jurnalul ardelean) is written in propaganda manner. Practically the article says little and only partially true facts about S.H. The article present the S.H. as pure and imaculate heroes, fighting the romanian (olah - in text; valah - in text) and bolshevic hungarian troops in the same time, on 2 fronts. In the rest, the most part of the article is only acusing the romanian army (and civilians) that they massacred a number of hungarian civilians. I just made a short resume of the articles translating from original language of articles. The translation was made NOT to raise discussions, just to satisfy the curiosity of non-hungarian spokers. |