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| Posted by: dragos03 November 08, 2005 08:22 pm |
| Since no research was ever made on the variants of Romanian medals, maybe we can do that here, by sharing photos of awards from our collections and comparing them. A good medal to start with is the Carol I jubilee medal, a common award with many variations. This medal was issued in 1906 to commemorate the 40th year of reign of King Carol I. Like some other early Romanian medals, it is inspired after a Imperial German medal, being similar in shape, size and layout to a Bavarian commemorative medal. It came in two versions: military and civilian. Both versions have the same obverse, with the bust of the king and the words “Carol I rege al Romaniei” (Carol I king of Romania). The reverse of the civilian medal displays the royal coat of arms, with king Carol’s motto “Nihil sine deo” (Nothing without God) and the years 1866-1906. The reverse of the military version only has the text “In amintirea anului al 40-lea al capitaniei mele” (To remember the 40th year of my leadership), and the same years 1866-1906. This medal was awarded in great numbers and it is probably the commonest of all Romanian medals from the royal period. It was awarded to all the active military men and to all the civilians in the service of the king. Other awards established at the same time are the Carol I Order and several unofficial medals related to Expozitia Generala Romana din Bucuresti (Romanian General Exposition in Bucharest). Here are two medals from my collection: a military version (left) with the engraver's name ("P. Telge") under the bust and a civilian version without engraver. http://imageshack.us And the reverses: http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: dragos03 November 08, 2005 08:27 pm |
| I have another variant of the military version, on a medal bar. It doesn't have the engraver's name and the bust of the king is slightly different (he looks a little older on this one, he also has more hair). http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Carol I November 08, 2005 10:09 pm |
| A civilian medal, apparently with the signature of the engraver. Source: http://www.marksmedals.com/romanian_medals_files/carol40.html |
| Posted by: Carol I November 08, 2005 10:18 pm |
| Klietmann mentions three versions with respect to the engraver: medals signed "P. Telge", medals signed "Carniul (Carniol?) Fiul" and unsigned medals. |
| Posted by: Cuza November 09, 2005 01:09 pm | ||
Here is the Carniol Fiul version which is said to be the first issue. Carol I does look younger. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: dragos03 November 09, 2005 04:17 pm |
| Thanks for your contribution Cuza. I have also seen military versions with different layouts of the text on the reverse. |
| Posted by: Dénes November 09, 2005 05:28 pm |
This is currently on sale on an on-line auction: How much would it worth? Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Cuza November 09, 2005 05:45 pm | ||
That appears to be the Telge version, civil, so I would say $15-$20 US in the US. |
| Posted by: Dénes November 09, 2005 07:06 pm |
| Thanks, Cuza. Here is another medal from the same series, on sale on another auction (this one doesn't appear to have a holding ring, or it was ground off):   Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Carol I November 09, 2005 08:00 pm |
| It appears that even for the "P. TELGE" medals there is a difference between the portrait on the military medal and that on the civilian medal. Take a look at the line of the neck in the two photos below. |
| Posted by: boonicootza November 16, 2005 07:59 pm |
| Another variant i've seen has the dates engraved. http://imageshack.us Image from http://vicmart.com/ext/en/ |
| Posted by: boonicootza November 16, 2005 08:02 pm |
And one with high edges and the dates on the bottom  from eBayhttp://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Dénes November 16, 2005 09:06 pm |
| Here is the same medal on a medal bar [from eBay] Gen. Dénes  |
| Posted by: dragos03 November 21, 2005 09:13 pm |
| Another one with the dates engraved, currently for sale on Okazii. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Carol I November 22, 2005 05:10 pm |
And yet another one from eBay:  I cannot make out the name of the engraver. |
| Posted by: Dénes November 22, 2005 07:02 pm |
Here's another one, also from eBay:  Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Carol I November 23, 2005 07:34 am |
| Can someone identify the distinctive features of the 'Telge', the 'Carniol' and the other versions of this medal? |
| Posted by: New Connaught Ranger September 03, 2006 09:15 pm | ||
Hallo Gentlemen,  technically the dates are not engraved, but hand stamped into the medal. The reason for this version, I am told is a few hundred of the earlier versions were produced with a design flaw (missing dates and word MELE) so the factory decided to hand stamp them, rather than send them back to be melted down. Kevin in Deva. |
| Posted by: boonicootza March 23, 2008 10:33 pm |
| Here is another one with raised edges and Austrian style ribbon. http://imageshack.us From my collection |
| Posted by: New Connaught Ranger March 25, 2008 09:31 pm |
| Variations in my collection:- Number 1:- http://imageshack.ushttp://imageshack.ushttp://imageshack.us judging by the style of "court-mounting" ribbon I believe this came off a German Ribbon bar. "P. TELGE" Military Variant. Number 2 :- http://imageshack.ushttp://imageshack.us "P. TELGE" Civil Service Variant. (Coincidently the second Romanian Medal to belong to my collection, found in a Bavarian Flea-market about 8 years ago.) Number 3:- http://imageshack.ushttp://imageshack.us "P. TELGE" Military Variant, Triangular ribbon, with wide Black center stripe & wide yellow edge stripes. Number 4:- http://imageshack.ushttp://imageshack.us ""P.TELGE" Military Variant, with stamped dates "1866 - 1906" and the word "MELE". Kevin in Deva |