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Posted by: druzhina August 28, 2004 11:42 pm
I LOVE theRomanian pilots badge!!
Does anyone know where I can purchase one?
It doesn't have to be an original A replica would be fine!
Thanks everyone!
John Kahl

Posted by: Dénes August 29, 2004 02:12 am
http://www.ebay.com

Col. Dénes

Posted by: druzhina August 31, 2004 01:56 am
I tried looking at e-bay but,they had nothing Do youhave
any other sources?

Posted by: Carol I September 02, 2004 07:48 pm
Take a look from time to time on eBay. http://worldwar2.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1060 has spotted this nice set some time ago.

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Posted by: mihai September 05, 2004 03:35 am
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Take a look from time to time on eBay. http://worldwar2.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1060 has spotted this nice set some time ago.

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This is e-bay German's ended auction.

Mihai

Posted by: Carol I September 05, 2004 08:23 am
The auction has indeed ended several months ago, but it is a proof that pilot badges do appear on eBay.

Posted by: Dénes September 18, 2004 06:11 pm
Here is a rather rare Slovak pilot's badge (test image):

Posted by: Dénes October 18, 2004 04:37 pm
Rumanian pilot's badge on sale on eBay:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36047&item=2278125451&rd=1
However, the shield looks suspicious to me:user posted image
Any comments?

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: boonicootza October 18, 2004 08:39 pm
Try http://www.emedals.ca/catalog.asp?country=RO

They have 7 different airforce badges.

Peace!

Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia November 18, 2004 04:06 pm
QUOTE (Dénes @ Oct 18 2004, 04:37 PM)
Rumanian pilot's badge on sale on eBay:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36047&item=2278125451&rd=1
However, the shield looks suspicious to me:user posted image
Any comments?

Gen. Dénes

I have just one word : FAKE.

Posted by: Carol I May 29, 2005 03:24 pm
Genuine or fake?

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From http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6534599609

Posted by: Carol I May 31, 2005 06:35 pm
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Genuine or fake?
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From http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6534599609

It made eventually 127.50 USD.

Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 02, 2005 01:16 pm
Genuine or fake?

I suspect that this badge is a fake.
1- notice the extra ridge line to the upper right wing edge. Denotes cast.
2- notice closely to the silver body of the badge. Pitting or scale texture. Denotes cast again.
3- hand painted enamel center shield. Not baked on enamel.
I have also noticed that some of these badges, made of silver, have been buffed out with compound and polished to remove pitting and scale texture so that they would be more difficult to detect that they are cast pieces. A few of these pieces are making it out onto ebay and selling for the same price as the originals.

Posted by: Carol I June 03, 2005 05:40 pm
QUOTE (REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR @ Jun 2 2005, 02:16 PM)
Genuine or fake?

I suspect that this badge is a fake.
1- notice the extra ridge line to the upper right wing edge. Denotes cast.
2- notice closely to the silver body of the badge. Pitting or scale texture. Denotes cast again.
3- hand painted enamel center shield. Not baked on enamel.
I have also noticed that some of these badges, made of silver, have been buffed out with compound and polished to remove pitting and scale texture so that they would be more difficult to detect that they are cast pieces. A few of these pieces are making it out onto ebay and selling for the same price as the originals.

Thanks for the reply. Your details are quite useful to distinguish whether a certain piece is a variation of the genuine thing or just a fake.

Posted by: Carol I June 24, 2005 11:53 pm
Replicas of the WWII pilot badge

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6541324996
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6536373394

Posted by: Carol I July 28, 2005 07:23 am
One more dubious-looking badge on http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6548661873 (from the same seller):

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Posted by: Carol I October 11, 2005 08:44 pm
Does this pilot badge appear genuine?

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Source: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6567444807

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 11, 2005 09:35 pm
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Does this pilot badge appear genuine?


Yes it looks original.

Posted by: Dénes October 11, 2005 10:43 pm
QUOTE (Carol I @ Oct 12 2005, 02:44 AM)
Does this pilot badge appear genuine?

The pilot's badge in my collection has a thin round pin on the back.
This doesn't mean, of course, that other models don't exist.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Carol I October 12, 2005 06:37 am
QUOTE (Dénes @ Oct 11 2005, 11:43 PM)
The pilot's badge in my collection has a thin round pin on the back.
This doesn't mean, of course, that other models don't exist.

Dénes, can you post images of your badge (for reference). Thanks.

Posted by: Dénes October 12, 2005 10:54 pm
QUOTE (Carol I @ Oct 12 2005, 12:37 PM)
Dénes, can you post images of your badge (for reference).

As per your request, Carol, I scanned the front and rear sides of the ARR pilot's and observer's badges I have in my private collection.

Gen. Dénes

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Posted by: Carol I October 13, 2005 06:40 am
QUOTE (Dénes @ Oct 12 2005, 11:54 PM)
As per your request, Carol, I scanned the front and rear sides of the ARR pilot's and observer's badges I have in my private collection.

Thank you very much, Dénes. They are quite interesting as reference images for genuine badges.

Do the two badges appear to be engraved "HORIA AGARICI"? Is there any story behind the engravings?

Posted by: Dénes October 13, 2005 01:31 pm
I bought the pair of badges from a trusted person, who is unfortunately a bit secretive. He wouldn't reveal the original owner, so I have no further information. Interestingly, however, alongside these two badges I purchased two decorations as well, both shown on the photos I have of Lt. av. Horia Agarici...

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Carol I October 13, 2005 04:36 pm
QUOTE (Dénes @ Oct 13 2005, 02:31 PM)
I bought the pair of badges from a trusted person, who is unfortunately a bit secretive. He wouldn't reveal the original owner, so I have no further information. Interestingly, however, alongside these two badges I purchased two decorations as well, both shown on the photos I have of Lt. av. Horia Agarici...

Thanks Dénes. So, unless it all is a long chain of coincidences, there is a good chance that the badges had belonged to the Horia Agarici.

Posted by: iravedra December 13, 2009 12:25 am
Was he _both_ a pilot AND an observer...?

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Hmmm...

Posted by: iravedra December 13, 2009 12:52 am
Pardon my ignorance, what's the difference between the brass and the silver pilot badges? Is the brass one simply a medal which has lost its silvered gilt?

Best, and merry Xmas.

Manuel

Posted by: Dénes December 13, 2009 08:21 am
QUOTE (iravedra @ December 13, 2009 06:25 am)
Was he _both_ a pilot AND an observer...?

Nothing unusual. There are cases, seen on photos, when an airman wears both the pilot's and the observer's badge.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: iravedra December 13, 2009 12:51 pm
Thanks, in the USAF you use either one or the other.

Any info on my question regarding the brass badge?

One of my patients in Ohio gave me a dagger and a pilot's badge. He told me he had been a "nigger", (he was small, european and blue eyed!) in the (Rumanian, Bulgarian, Hungarian?) AF during WWII, a mechanic. But that he had served in both the Army and Air Force. That while he was servicing his fighter, he found beneath the seat a badge, lost by its owner long time before, and that he was allowed to keep it. I believe the pilot himself told him that.

He also said he eventually became a pilot and flew the Bf-109. That they called it "the mule" because it was very exacting to steer on the ground and to fly, but that once you got the hang of it, nobody ever wanted to fly any other plane. He also told me had met Spanish pilots that flew the Bf-109.

All this started when he saw a calendar I had in my cubicle at the clinic, showing a picture of a Bf-109. I have had a fatal attraction to the 109 ever since I can remember, that is, since I was 4 or 5 years old. I don't know how to explain it.

I found his gift recently, between other knick-knacks of that period, and started checking the items out, it seems the dagger is a small. childlike M1930, and the badge is as described., so I guess he was Rumanian.


Best, and merry Xmas.

M

Posted by: Cantacuzino December 13, 2009 04:46 pm
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Pardon my ignorance, what's the difference between the brass and the silver pilot badges? Is the brass one simply a medal which has lost its silvered gilt?

Best, and merry Xmas.



WW2 Romanian pilot badges were all silvered brass made.

Merry X-mas

Posted by: iravedra December 14, 2009 11:40 pm
You are right. The badge is silvery on its obverse, and it also has some letters scratched like the other two in this thread: LTDENCIU. Its beaten up, obviously having seen better days, and little remains of the shield colors.
The shiny brass looks appealing, though. Makes for a nice decoration.
Best

Manuel

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Posted by: iravedra December 15, 2009 10:16 pm
Hi Guys,

Just FYI

Just placed this badge and my army dagger on EBay.

Merry Xmas to you and yours.

Manuel

Posted by: horia December 16, 2009 08:23 am
QUOTE (Dénes @ December 13, 2009 08:21 am)
QUOTE (iravedra @ December 13, 2009 06:25 am)
Was he _both_ a pilot AND an observer...?

Nothing unusual. There are cases, seen on photos, when an airman wears both the pilot's and the observer's badge.

Gen. Dénes

here is an example
http://img193.imageshack.us/i/wervp.jpg/

Posted by: Alexei2102 December 16, 2009 09:25 am
And here is another.

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Posted by: Claudiu1988 December 16, 2009 11:03 am
QUOTE (iravedra @ December 15, 2009 10:16 pm)
Hi Guys,

Just FYI

Just placed this badge and my army dagger on EBay.

Merry Xmas to you and yours.

Manuel

Give us the link to see the pieces in ebay. smile.gif

Posted by: iravedra December 16, 2009 12:44 pm
Sure thing

Any idea who this Denciu guy might have been?

Best, and Merry Xmas!

Medal

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270502102302&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

Dagger

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270502081407&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

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