Who manufactured them? In approximately what period were they manufactured? Thank you.
This particular badge is said to have an Austrian hallmark on the suspension ring.
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| Posted by: Carol I August 15, 2004 04:24 pm |
| Could you please give some details about this type of badges of the Order of the Star, type I? They seem to have poorer details and a thin/hollow crown.
Who manufactured them? In approximately what period were they manufactured? Thank you.
This particular badge is said to have an Austrian hallmark on the suspension ring. |
| Posted by: Carol I August 15, 2004 04:25 pm |
Badge without swords:
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| Posted by: Carol I August 15, 2004 04:25 pm |
Badge in officer grade:
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| Posted by: Carol I August 15, 2004 04:26 pm |
Another badge in officer grade:
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| Posted by: Carol I August 15, 2004 04:27 pm |
This version of badges also seem to appear in order bars:
Originally http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13409#13409 by REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR |
| Posted by: Carol I August 15, 2004 04:27 pm |
Originally http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13413#13413 by REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR |
| Posted by: Carol I August 15, 2004 04:28 pm |
Originally http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13829#13829 by Dénes |
| Posted by: Cuza August 15, 2004 05:55 pm | ||
What is the hallmark? |
| Posted by: Carol I August 15, 2004 10:00 pm | ||
Unfortunately I do not know as none of these badges is in my possession. I only mentioned what was said in the description of that particular badge. |
| Posted by: Carol I August 15, 2004 10:12 pm |
| I brought these badges to your attention because I am puzzled by their appearance. Their poor details hint at a clumsy (war?) manufacture. The presence of one of these badges in the last order bar along German and Austrian orders seems to suggest a pre-WWI period. But then they were usually made by jewellers and therefore they had quite good quality. Does this mean that they were made after WWI? But who manufactured them and why in this rather poor quality?
Another hypothesis is that they could just be privately made copies. But there seems to be quite a few of them with similar characteristics, thus suggesting a rather large production. |
| Posted by: Dénes August 16, 2004 04:10 pm |
Here is another, high quality scan of the same order (from eBay):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=7271&item=2262753738&rd=1 Col. Dénes |
| Posted by: Carol I August 16, 2004 05:09 pm | ||
Thanks Dénes for the image, but unfortunately the variant you have posted is not the one I was referring to. 'Yours' is a very nice example of a post-WWI badge: thin arms of the blue cross, straight outline of the rays between the arms, very nice details of the crown (see for example the orb above the crown) and remnants of crossed swords between the arms of the cross. In contrast, the one I was referring to has thicker arms of the cross, an arched outline of the rays between the arms, poorer details of the crown and no remnants of swords between the arms. |
| Posted by: dragos03 August 29, 2004 12:47 pm |
| When the Order of the Star was created, there wasn't enough time to manufacture the awards. The first 2 knight class Orders of the Star were awarded just 3 days later and the first Grand crosses only 12 days later.
So, they had to use the "Union" orders (Ordinul Unirii), made by Alexandru Ioan Cuza but unofficially issued, who were in a box at the palace. The central piece with Cuza's cipher were replaced with new ones with Carol's cipher. Maybe these first orders are the poor manufactured ones and maybe they were made in Austria. |
| Posted by: Victor August 29, 2004 08:45 pm |
| The Order of the Union was manufactured in Paris at the House of Awards and Decoration Krety. |
| Posted by: Carol I September 02, 2004 07:31 pm | ||
This is quite interesting. Do you have a source for this piece of information? |
| Posted by: Carol I September 02, 2004 07:33 pm | ||
Was the Krétly House the only manufacturer of the Order of the Star of the Union? |
| Posted by: Victor September 02, 2004 07:39 pm |
| Apparently yes. |
| Posted by: Carol I September 02, 2004 09:31 pm |
| Do you have a source for this statement? I have some information that suggests otherwise.
The Star of the Union badge below was said to be authentic by a numismatics expert of the National History Museum in Bucharest. 
It has a thin/hollow crown, quite different from the pointy crown of the piece below in the collections of the National Military Museum. 
It therefore seems that there were at least two manufacturers of the badges of this order. On the other hand the Order of the Star of the Union was in existence for a very short period of time not quite compatible with several manufacturers. What is the truth? |
| Posted by: Victor September 03, 2004 07:37 am |
| Armata Romana in vremea lui Alexandru Ioan Cuza (1859-1866) by Cornel I. Scafes, Horia Vl. Serbanescu, Corneliu M. Andonie and Ioan I. Scafes, Total Publishing, Bucharest 2003 |
| Posted by: Cuza September 03, 2004 03:11 pm | ||||
The following hallmark is on an Unirii order. I always thought it was from the first Joseph Resch, father of the well known Joseph Resch. The first Joseph Resch was a jeweler in the 1860's. Does anyone recognize the mark? |
| Posted by: Cuza September 03, 2004 03:15 pm |
Here is the order. |
| Posted by: Carol I September 03, 2004 05:00 pm | ||
Thanks Victor for the reply. Is there any photo of the badges of the Order of the Star of the Union in the book you mentioned? |
| Posted by: Carol I September 03, 2004 05:09 pm | ||
Yes, I have seen this hallmark on a badge type I of the Order of the Star of Romania which also had RESCH stamped on the bottom of the lower arm of the cross. The crown above the badge however was neither pointy nor thin/hollow. |
| Posted by: dragos03 September 20, 2004 08:58 pm |
| What i wrote is from an article in the last issue of "Magazin Istoric". |
| Posted by: Carol I September 21, 2004 06:09 am | ||
Thank you for this piece of information. |
| Posted by: Carol I November 04, 2004 05:57 pm |
| I have just remembered that the badge above had a box apparently made by Rothe. I find this quite surprising since Rothe was a jeweler of the Viennese court and their products usually had exquisite quality, quite far from the quality of the badges mentioned here. On the other hand, maybe it was not the original box of the badge. Or maybe the box was not original at all. Do you have in your collections any Romanian orders made by Rothe? What can you say about their quality (details on the badge, box etc.)? |
| Posted by: Carol I November 06, 2004 07:35 pm |
| A badge of the type under discussion is now for sale on http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2281744887. It looks as if the green oak wreaths and the central red medallions are painted instead of being enamelled.   |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 08, 2004 01:45 am |
| Order of the Star of the Union. There are several variations coming onto the market via certain ebay dealers. These orders are made using the earliest version of the Order of the Star. The center is removed and a fake is married onto the order making it the the rare Star of the Union. I beleive that there was only one maker of this order. All others are suspect and are currently being produced by a jeweler in Bucharest using authentic early Order of the Stars which are common to get. |
| Posted by: Cuza November 08, 2004 11:49 pm | ||
I have seen two Unirii orders bearing the twin dolphin hallmark which I do not believe is a Kretly mark. Does anyone know the hallmarks on a Kretly order? |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia November 18, 2004 03:25 pm |
| The two dolphins hallmark is ....Romanian. This hallmark appears on the silver objects until (aprox.) 1920. |
| Posted by: Carol I November 18, 2004 03:45 pm | ||
Was it the state mark for silver or the mark of a particular Romanian jeweller? |
| Posted by: Carol I November 18, 2004 04:03 pm | ||||
I found the answer to the question above. According to http://www.antikrom.home.ro/Marci%20aplicate.html, the hallmark under discussion was used between 1906 and 1926 as the state mark for alloys with 800/1000 silver.  |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia November 19, 2004 06:45 pm |
| Oh , thanks , this is more than I knew. |
| Posted by: Carol I December 20, 2005 11:22 pm |
One more badge of the type under discussion here: Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 January 02, 2006 10:46 am |
| What do you think about this one ? http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us Source: Ebay |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 January 02, 2006 10:47 am |
| http://imageshack.us Source: Ebay |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 January 02, 2006 10:49 am |
| http://imageshack.us Source: Ebay |
| Posted by: b737 January 02, 2006 11:08 am | ||
The order is ok! It was usual to adapt an "peace time order" into a "wartime order" or "military in peace time order". I don't know if the case is original, ask for better scans! |
| Posted by: Carol I January 02, 2006 02:02 pm | ||
This is definitely not the type under discussion in this thread. |
| Posted by: Ahile June 12, 2006 10:43 pm |
| what do you think about this?good or fake. source: ebay |
| Posted by: b737 June 13, 2006 04:51 am | ||
Could you post a picture please? |
| Posted by: Ahile June 13, 2006 06:01 am |
| http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=231b5wg.jpg http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=981b0xr.jpg |
| Posted by: b737 June 13, 2006 03:29 pm | ||
The piece is very nice. You can buy it if you want. |
| Posted by: Ahile June 13, 2006 05:28 pm |
| what do you think is original? i have seen other's but where diffrent. |
| Posted by: Ahile June 14, 2006 01:49 pm |
| http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medals0018nd.jpg http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medals0027el.jpg http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medals0032nz.jpg |
| Posted by: Ahile June 14, 2006 01:54 pm |
| http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medals0059ja.jpg http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medals0096mb.jpg http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medals0108qd.jpg http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medals0131zi.jpg http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medals0110tj.jpg |
| Posted by: Ahile June 14, 2006 02:18 pm |
| WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS ONE? AHILE |
| Posted by: b737 June 14, 2006 07:24 pm | ||
The order is original and in perfect condition. Buy it! |
| Posted by: Carol I June 14, 2006 09:19 pm | ||
1. Please stop writing using upper cases only. 2. Please stop posting twice your messages. 3. The badge you posted is definitely not the type under discussion in this thread. |
| Posted by: Carol I November 23, 2006 02:33 pm |
| One more of these badges, apparently with even poorer details - look on the reverse (from eBay) http://cgi.ebay.com/SCARCE-ROMANIA-ORDER-OF-STAR-OFFICER-CLASS-MEDAL_W0QQitemZ160054969715 http://cgi.ebay.com/SCARCE-ROMANIA-ORDER-OF-STAR-OFFICER-CLASS-MEDAL_W0QQitemZ160054969715 |
| Posted by: mabadesc June 27, 2007 05:23 am |
| Does someone know the class of this Star of Romania and its approximate time of issue (ww1, ww2, etc.)? Also, any other particularities or unusual details about this decoration? Thanks in advance. http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 June 27, 2007 09:57 am | ||
Order of the Star of Romania model 1938/1941 , Knight, ww2. |
