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|Posted by: Der Maresal February 18, 2004 03:29 pm|
| I'm looking to gather as many images of 'faces' of Soldiers from World War II, -espcially Romanians, cause they are so rare..
I'll update this list and add as many as I can find.
to beginn with.. ..
Sergent Emil Dragan, Romanian Army 1941
|Posted by: dragos February 18, 2004 09:50 pm|
| A collection of portraits from my family albums
Photo #4, dated 8 November 1940, is 2nd Lieutenant Gheorghe Teodorescu, MIA at Stalingrad in 1942.
Photo #1 is dated 22 June 1941.
|Posted by: dragos February 19, 2004 07:36 pm|
| My grandfather
Photo dated 15 April 1945. On the back of the photo it is written: "O amintire... Dar numai o amintire?" (A memory... But only a memory?)
A résumé of his story: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7445#7445
|Posted by: Der Maresal February 19, 2004 07:54 pm|
| Amazing pictures, I'm so glad you put them here. I like the guy who is missing in Combat at Stalingrad. :cry:
Don't sell these pictures to anybody.
I have similar pictures of my grandfather and his unit, - if the house burns down, this collection I would jump to save.
Those who sell such familly treasures on Ebay are traitors.
Keep the 'memory' alive'
|Posted by: drillsgt February 19, 2004 09:13 pm|
|These family momentos are priceless, keep them safe for other generations. My great-grandfather was the Colonel of the 14th Virginia Volunteer Infantry, Confederate States of America during our Civil War and I have his sword. There is no amount of money that could buy it from me. My son will receive it when I die! Garry Owen!!|
|Posted by: Victor February 23, 2004 08:37 pm|
My grandfather, Badescu Aurel, here probably after the graduation of the Artillery Officer School in Timisoara in 1932.
|Posted by: boonicootza March 26, 2004 08:32 pm|
| Unfortunately I don't know who he was..... :?
|Posted by: Dénes March 26, 2004 08:53 pm|
| I try to re-post your images, because they cannot be seen in your original post.
P.S. Well, it didn't work for me, either. Something must be wrong with the image host.
|Posted by: Florin March 30, 2004 04:08 pm|
Did he fight to the end? Appotomax, April 1865?...
|Posted by: drillsgt March 30, 2004 04:27 pm|
|Florin, No, he was wounded at Gettysburg, on the third day during "Picketts charge". He returned to duty in 1864, but still had problems , so he was discharged for disability. It is interesting , that while he was an infantry officer, he was trained as a physician before the war. and was a physician after the war. Two other great grand fathers did go on until Appomattox. One , also in "Pickett's Charge" was one of only 73 men left out of 1,800 to be able to surrender at Appomattox.The other an Artillery Sgt also survived to surrender at Appomattox. Garry Owen!|
|Posted by: dragos May 12, 2004 03:46 pm|
| 2nd Lt. Gavril (19 April 1945)
|Posted by: Victor May 17, 2004 07:22 am|
| I eventually found a wartime photo of my grandfather:
|Posted by: C-2 May 17, 2004 09:40 pm|
| He he,you looks like him,only he's more good looking.
Maybee you should let your hair grow :wink: .
|Posted by: Dénes June 25, 2004 03:06 pm|
| What sort of armband is this soldier wearing?
|Posted by: Dénes June 25, 2004 03:08 pm|
| Reportedly a cavalry soldier, from "QUEEN MARIA" Regiment (1928)
|Posted by: mihai June 26, 2004 03:16 pm|
This is the uniform of "Guard of the fatherland"movement.
|Posted by: C-2 October 11, 2004 07:29 pm|
|The oficer in the back,is a relative of mine,Lt Dumitru Petrovici,in a party just a few months before the war started.|
|Posted by: C-2 October 11, 2004 07:32 pm|
|And that's his grave after been killed in the first day of the war...|
|Posted by: Carol I October 21, 2004 10:51 pm|
| From http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2278221214.
|Posted by: aerialls November 10, 2004 04:12 am|
| this pic is in my familly album:
the person in the right suffered 5 years in prison, finnally released, dyed in the 60's. not blood related.
on the back in romanian: "pentru prietenii nostrii din Cluj: Elisabeta si Costica"
i'll be back soon on this thread...
|Posted by: Cantacuzino December 09, 2004 07:49 am|
| My father in the middle near the guy with white suit.
Sgt. Melinte Alexandru from " Regimentul 2 Romania Mare" tanks unit.
He fought at Stalingrad ( near the Don) where he was wounded and on the western front in the "Tatra" mountains in Czechoslovakia were also has been wounded.
|Posted by: Dragos S. January 12, 2005 06:37 am|
| My Greatgrandparents.
Thanks to ImageShack for hosting it.
|Posted by: Dénes January 24, 2005 09:57 pm|
| Photo of a Rumanian woman officer (from eBay).
|Posted by: alexkdl February 03, 2005 12:58 pm|
| Dan , I didnt know your dad was Sgt of a Roumanian rifle regiment in Stalingrad ( infantery div) If he would have known that you betrayed him with aviation inclination he might have left Stalingrad and deserted to to the Russkies., Btw did he return from Russia with Div.Tudor Vladimirescu established by Anna Pauker ?
|Posted by: Cantacuzino February 03, 2005 03:55 pm|
No Alex, my Dad was in a tanks unit "Regimentul R2" from "Divizia Romania Mare" (as chief radio operator mobile unit )and was wounded at "Cotul Donului" and hospitalized in Romania (was not taken prisonier in Russia) becouse of his wounds was evacuated before the final encircle at Stalingrad).
After aprox. one year recovering he leave the hospital for come back to the unit this time on western front and again wounded in Tatra mountains. He was not happy to tell about his war exploits ( only the funny's stories about).
|Posted by: Victor February 03, 2005 04:42 pm|
|Alex, Cantacuzino's father served in the 1st Tank Regiment of the 1st Armored Division (which btw received the Greater Romania title in 1944). The division managed to brake out of the encirclement at the Don's Bend. In 1945, in Czechoslovakia, he served in the 2nd Tank Regiment, which was part of the Soviet 27th Tank Brigade.|
|Posted by: alexkdl February 03, 2005 05:50 pm|
| Victor thanks and since we talk about it which Soviet army encircled that tank division? was it the Chuikow 62nd Army ? was this tank division linked to General Oberst Roth who tried to brake into the the encircled 6th Army of Feld.Marschal Friedrich Von Paulus ? Sorry I may be wrong I am export only on military aviation
|Posted by: Victor February 03, 2005 06:18 pm|
| Only two Romanian divisions were caught in the encirclement at Stalingrad (1st Cavalry and 20th Infantry). I was referring the battle north of Stalingrad, at the Don's Bend.
This thread is not the place fot this discussion however. Please read more in the http://www.worldwar2.ro/operatii/?language=en section of the site.
|Posted by: mihai February 12, 2005 12:51 pm|
Are the person Army Or Air force officer?
|Posted by: Victor February 12, 2005 01:03 pm|
|The uniform is army. Both the air force and navy officers had their ranks on the sleeves.|
|Posted by: C-2 February 12, 2005 08:11 pm|
|Any ideea what uniform is this?|
|Posted by: Victor February 13, 2005 05:47 am|
|Rosior I believe.|
|Posted by: mihai February 13, 2005 08:17 am|
|Posted by: C-2 February 20, 2005 06:19 pm|
| Capt.Petrovici Dumitru.
I already posted a photo of his grave,in Basarabia ,killed on the first day of the war.
|Posted by: b737 February 21, 2005 11:26 am|
Sorry Mihai but you are wrong, this is a FRN- Frontul Renasterii Nationale not a Straja Tarii (Guard of the fatherland)uniform!!
|Posted by: Fratello February 24, 2005 10:34 am|
I think you are right b737. I have the same opinion like you: this is a FRN uniform.
|Posted by: Barbosu February 25, 2005 12:11 am|
I think you have a royal "soldier" in the photo you posted. I think the person in the photo is one of the princesses of Romania, but I don't know which of them, dressed as cavalry soldier. Are you sure of the year? If so, I think she could be one the daughters of Queen Maria (Ileana, Mignon, Irina or Elena). If the photo is earlier, could be princess Elisabeta. Observe the ring on her left hand. My belief is that she is HRH Princess Ileana (I found some photos of her plus it is a match with the year 1928).
Please check this theory. Thanks.
PS About the other military you asked of his uniform: he is from the FRN period for sure. One of ministers in 1940 government wore that on left hand. This is the armband you're looking for.
|Posted by: Dénes February 25, 2005 03:26 am|
| Thanks, Barbosu, for the clarifications and details.
|Posted by: Agarici February 25, 2005 03:20 pm|
If the person is a royal princess then it is clear. But she is not wearing a women-type uniform. I also have my doubts that there were a practice for the Romanian Royal House princess to wear military uniforms. Tough... the uniform might be a Royal House one, because:
- "Straja Tarii" (Guard of the Fatherland?) was a youth movement, with many resemblances with the later comunist "Pionieri" (Pioneers). Even their uniforms were similar (white beretts, paratroopers "red berets"-style) and mainly white uniform. The only persons who wear this type of uniform besides the teenagers were king Carol II - the "Straja" commander (there are some archive films with him dressed like that) and other "Straja" leaders who were appointed by the king and were the only adults in the organization
- FRN (Frontul Renasterii Nationale in 1938, then from 1940 Partidul Natiunii) was a would-be totalitarian-type political party, created at the king's initiative. It has no military role at all and it was also used in order to give a certain appearace of legitimacy to the regime, as the parliament continued function for a while but with FRN as the only active party. As I know they used white-colour uniforms, but there's a possibility that those were only for special ocasions, and there also existed another colour version. It is a well known fact that king Carol II was a big fan of different types of military uniforms...
|Posted by: Barbosu February 25, 2005 10:22 pm|
You're welcome. If you have any other details on that photo, I'm interested! Thanks!
There are two different persons and pictures I mentioned.
1. The "princess" is the soldier in cavalry uniform posted by Denes. If you want check this link and you will se a lot of pictures with Romania's queen and princesses.
I invite you to visit this excellent website of Tom. I will post here only a photo from there, with HRH Princess Ileana in another uniform. Ileana is the youngest daughter of HM King Ferdinand and HM Maria.
For propaganda Ileana (or other princess) could wear the uniform of Queen Maria Regiment.
I repeat, I am not sure which princess is in the photo posted by DENES. Maybe someone could help!
|Posted by: Barbosu February 25, 2005 10:25 pm|
2. The other person is this one, also posted by DENES:
As you observe, the armband is not seen but a fragment of it. So I croped the armband from another picture for example.
As for the FRN you can find on internet (for example on www.timelifepictures.com)
pictures with the Government and you will see that almost all ministers were wearing uniform with this armband. Gafencu included. The pictures are dated february 1940 and each has an explanation.
|Posted by: Barbosu February 25, 2005 10:47 pm|
| And even HM Queen Maria herself wore uniform on special events, as you can see in the picture below, from same website. (http://www.tkinter.smig.net/index.htm)
Tom's website has tens of very interesting photos, great stories and links. I will not abuse so this is the last photo from him that I post here.
PS. Could that be the uniform of Queen Maria Regiment?
|Posted by: mihai February 26, 2005 02:16 am|
Thank you !
|Posted by: Victor February 27, 2005 11:53 am|
|One of my grandfather's brothers: cpt. (rez) Alexandru Badescu (left) with an unidentified officer.|
|Posted by: Victor February 27, 2005 11:55 am|
Obvious since Queen Maria was the honorary CO of the 4th Rosiori Regiment.
|Posted by: Barbosu March 03, 2005 12:51 am|
| I waited for a long time to finally scan some pictures of my relatives that managed to fight with courage in WW2.
I'll start with the most highly decorated of them, my grand-uncle Major Ioan Moisescu, commander of the 1st battalion of 94'th Infantry Regiment (19th Division). He received Mihai Viteazu (Michael the Brave) Cl. III for bravery in fighting on Tisa river in 1944.
He was born in 22 october 1901.
The picture of Major Moisescu Ioan is taken before august 1943.
Below I translated a fragment of an original document (Ordin de raport - Report Order) describing one of his actions (in nov. 1944) which finally got him the MV decoration:
"The 94-th Infantry Regiment, under the command of Colonel Ionescu N. Ioan fought with bravery at the Minsdszent bridgehead, especially the 1st Batalion, under the command of Major Moisescu Ioan.
With great impetus, even after long and hard marches from Kistelek to Sarvasi and then from Sarvasi to Szentes, they attack the enemy at Alpar, pushing him to the North and successfully made a breakthrough to the ally units, encircled in that town.
They reject all enemy attacks and firmly keep the advanced position of Nor Alpar (T.N. - probably North of Alpar).
With the same energy they continue the attacks and occupy one by one the ordered targets, pushing the enemy to the North East of Cegled.
On 8-th of November 1944 they resist with energy to a powerful enemy counter-attack made with 17 tanks and backed by 2nd German Infantry Regiment."
|Posted by: Barbosu March 03, 2005 12:57 am|
| Could anyone tell me what decorations Moisescu has on his chest? I croped a detail to better see.
|Posted by: Barbosu March 03, 2005 01:18 am|
| Moisescu was decorated by the Russians too. Unfortunately I don't know of his operations on the Eastern Front. Where fought the Reg. 94 or 19'th division?
I have a picture of the russian decoration similar to the one he got. I will come back when I will scan the russian brevet of decoration. It's called something like "For Victory against Germany in the Great Domestic War".
|Posted by: Barbosu March 03, 2005 08:42 am|
| A picture of Moisescu as lieutenant. He entered the mililtary service in 1920, at 19 years old. I presume he went to a military school.
|Posted by: Barbosu March 03, 2005 09:14 am|
| My grand-father, Lt Mircea Chifulescu was born in 1915. He was a young teacher when he went to fight in the war. I think he was a reservist.
He fought both Eastern and Western fronts in 31th Dorobanti Regiment "Calafat" (2nd division). Unfortunately I remember only a few stories from the western front. Maybe he didn't want to tell me about how many russians he killed because that was not a good time to do that (in communist regime).
In the Western front he fought his way to the Tatra Mountains, in Cehoslovakia. He commanded a company (IIRC) and had the code name "Barbosu" as it's written in a military book (I will try to find it)
I hope to find out more about him and honour him here, in the forum.
|Posted by: Barbosu March 03, 2005 09:23 am|
| I found only a few pictures of him on the front for now, but I will look again.
In this one he is second from the left (he lost a lot of weight).
I wonder who was the officer in the center of the picture: he is the kind of Erol Flyn type, a romantic hero, but who knows?
I think all of the officers in the picture were from 31th Dorobanti Regiment but I don't know the location.
|Posted by: Barbosu March 03, 2005 09:48 am|
| In this one I think maybe they were writing home or reading letters or they could have preparing an attack.
Chifulescu is standing, smoking.
|Posted by: Victor March 03, 2005 10:06 am|
| Two posts with military diplomas have been moved to a more suitable topic.
|Posted by: Barbosu March 03, 2005 10:11 am|
| This is Chifulescu Ioan (or Ion) one of my grand-father's brothers. He was a captain in a tank unit. That's all I have about him in this momment.
I asked for info about him in the tank commanders topic and hope anyone will help.
A third brother was the Ofiter de echipaj pilot Chifulescu Virgil Florea, but so far I have only a small picture with him in his car and I can't see his face. I will post it as soon as I'll scan it.
|Posted by: Barbosu March 03, 2005 10:13 am|
Thanks for opening a new topic for me. I'll edit the first post there.
|Posted by: Barbosu March 04, 2005 10:05 pm|
I found out yesterday that a good friend has a MV recipient in the family who apparently fought in same regiment with my grand-father. I hope he will find some photos and post them here on the forum.
Please give me the text of Michael the Brave brevet for Maj. ILIE ELIAN.
|Posted by: dragos March 05, 2005 07:36 am|
| Maior Elian Ilie - din Regimentul 31 dorobanţi "Calafat":
DR 2505/13.09.1943 - cl. III
|Posted by: Barbosu March 07, 2005 10:11 am|
| 1. Thanks Dragos. I know about the list of MV recipients on the site and we found Elian there. Sometime ago, Victor gave me a more detailed text about my grand-uncle, Moisescu Ioan. I hoped he could do the same for Elian.
2. Can you or anyone help me please with the decorations on Moisescu (in detail, the second post on page 4).
|Posted by: Dénes March 22, 2005 04:36 pm|
| Another pair of portrait photos of an officer wearing the FRN - Frontul Renasterii Nationale - armband and cap insignia (from eBay).
|Posted by: C-2 March 24, 2005 08:45 pm|
| Yesterday,I had the pleasure to meet Mr.Lupulescu Grigore.
A91 years old WW2 veterean.
He was born in Musesti Gorj on 30/01/1914.
He went to the military school in Targoviste (1936 Promotion).
He served in the 4-th regiment of Rosiori-Regina Marian as a subLt.He foght till after Stalingrad.
He was woonded sevearly at his right hand (and repaired very well by Germans doctors).
From his batalion only 8 people survived.
Due to his woonds(also frost bites to his fingers) he was realeased from the army in late 1943.
He was a priest in his home village till 13 years ago.
The photo is not very clear due to "flash problems"hope to change it with a beter one...
|Posted by: dragos April 11, 2005 08:30 pm|
|Sent by our forum member Cristian, picture of his uncle Tanase Radulescu in Tatra Mountains. After the war he got two years of forced labor for his Cross of Iron.|
|Posted by: dragos April 13, 2005 06:40 pm|
| Ion Radulescu, KIA on 16 February 1945 at Krivani(?) village near Zvolen.
Courtesy of Cristian.
|Posted by: CSIR May 06, 2005 02:03 pm|
| Does anyone have a photo of what the mountain troops were supposed to look like? I read that they wore a green beret?
Thanks for all the great pics,
|Posted by: Victor May 06, 2005 05:28 pm|
| Try here
|Posted by: Dénes October 25, 2005 04:34 pm|
| Here is the portrait of Marshall Antonescu, originally signed at Easter 1942 (currently on eBay).
How rare is this...
|Posted by: Dénes January 09, 2006 12:00 am|
| Recently I purchased a large group of original photos of Rumanian soldiers and airmen.
I will post a few of them, the ones that show interesting details.
Any comments are appreciated.
P.S. All these photos are available for trade, for similar quality original airplane photos.
|Posted by: Dénes January 09, 2006 12:06 am|
| A highly decorated General.
|Posted by: Dénes January 09, 2006 12:35 am|
| Yet another General, wearing a selection of medals and decorations on his wedding day.
|Posted by: Dénes January 09, 2006 12:43 am|
| The last one for tonight.
A large group of ARR officers. Does anyone recognise any of them?
The Lt. av. at right is very familiar to me. I have to look at my other portraits...
|Posted by: Carol I January 10, 2006 03:53 pm|
A student at the Nicolae Filipescu Military High School.
|Posted by: Dénes January 10, 2006 04:02 pm|
Thanks, Carol I. What branch of the armed forces was the school preparing the students for? Also, was it for officers or NCOs?
|Posted by: Carol I January 10, 2006 04:07 pm|
Here is some information I managed to fish out on the net: http://www.primariabreaza.ro/pagini/invatamint.htm (Romanian only).
|Posted by: Carol I January 10, 2006 04:10 pm|
|And a history of the high school from the Ministry of Defence: http://www.mapn.ro/eveniment/2005/200511/20051129/bucuresti/blocuriparada/4.%20Colegiul%20Militar%20Liceal%20Breaza.doc (Word document in Romanian).|
|Posted by: Carol I January 10, 2006 04:17 pm|
I think I see hunting horns on the collar patches. Weren't they the symbol of the Vânători?
|Posted by: Dénes January 10, 2006 04:23 pm|
Yes, you're correct about the horn symbol. BTW, the same symbol appears on the collar patch of the General seen on the wedding photo. Could the two persons be the same? I purchased all photos from the same source.
|Posted by: Victor January 10, 2006 05:34 pm|
|The Nicolae Filipescu Military Highschool or simply Manastirea Dealu as it was known was probably the most prestigious inter-war military high-scool. It didn't prepare students for specific branches of the military. As far as I know, all my grandfather's brothers that later became officers (including my grandfather) went to Manastiorea Dealu and several of them, including my grandfather, graduated first in their class. One became artillery officer, one became naval officer, one became a doctor, another one was into logistics and so on.|
|Posted by: Carol I January 10, 2006 07:49 pm|
There could be a resemblance between the two persons. However, as the photos would imply a rather large time span I would think that they were only related, as father and son or something similar.
|Posted by: Carol I January 10, 2006 07:52 pm|
The chest badge of the Military High School Nicolae Filipescu (Liceul Militar Nicolae Filipescu).
Source: Internet auction
|Posted by: mabadesc January 23, 2006 04:27 am|
| Any comments regarding the type of uniforms worn by this group of officers?
|Posted by: mabadesc January 24, 2006 03:46 am|
|Nobody? Kepi, can you comment on the type of uniforms worn, please?|
|Posted by: boonicootza January 24, 2006 09:42 am|
| Here is another badge from Nicolae Filipescu military college.
|Posted by: Cristian June 17, 2006 02:24 pm|
| Some soldiers pictures I found.No info found excerpt few adresses on the back
Drei Sultanica Com Rancezi Prahova
Spre Amintire dulci din partea Mea I Salaoru 10/7/920
|Posted by: Cristian June 17, 2006 02:29 pm|
| Ca Amintire G Stanescu Ghe Avram 16/III 925
|Posted by: Cristian June 17, 2006 02:31 pm|
|Posted by: Cristian June 17, 2006 02:35 pm|
Amintiri nemuritoare Familiea 15/VII?923 Bucuresti Iubitei noastre verisoare Sultana
N Zahariea Com Rancezi Jud Prahova
|Posted by: Cristian June 17, 2006 02:37 pm|
|Posted by: Cristian June 17, 2006 02:39 pm|
|Posted by: Cristian June 17, 2006 02:41 pm|
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 17, 2006 05:43 pm|
The uniforms appear to be post WW1-early 1920's Vanatori de Munte. Horn insignia on a very dark green colar.
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 17, 2006 05:44 pm|
This uniform looks to be from the 5th Roshiori Cavalry Regiment circa 1929-1930 period.
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 17, 2006 05:46 pm|
Late 1930's period FRN uniforms.
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 17, 2006 05:48 pm|
These guys look like they are from the Tudor Vladimir Regiment. Soviet style hats and tunics.
|Posted by: Carol I June 17, 2006 07:31 pm|
Their unit flag appears to have been decorated.
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 17, 2006 09:23 pm|
|The Flag has the WW1 cross suspended on a very long ribbon with several battle bars. One ribbon has two battle campaigns, but I can only make out the last one "OITUZ".|
|Posted by: Carol I June 17, 2006 09:59 pm|
There seems to be another cross just beneath the eagle (with a shorter ribbon).
|Posted by: Kepi June 23, 2006 05:43 pm|
I just found this old post.
These officers belong to the 1st Rifles (Vanatori) Regiment “King Ferdinand”, easy recognizable by the colour (flag) cravat, offered to the regiment by prince Ferdinand in 1910, to celebrate the unit semicentenial (the years “1860-1910” could be written on the cravat). This cravat, recently restored, is now on display in the exhibition “Carol I and the Roamanian Army. 1866-1914”, opened in the entrance hall of the National Military Museum. The colour carries many orders and medals as this prestigious unit has participated on the 1877-78 and the 1916-18 campaigns.
The photo was taken about 1925 because all the officers still wear the M.1916/19 full dress and service uniforms, made in grey-blue cloth (light grey on the b/w photo) and the lieutenant-colonel, on the colonel right, wears the new released M.1924 uniform (dark grey on the b/w photo). The old grey-blue uniforms were tolerated until the end of 1927.
|Posted by: mabadesc June 23, 2006 05:56 pm|
| Thank you all for the interesting information you provided.
The colonel standing in the front row, center of the photo, under the flag, is another great-grandfather of mine - Colonel Basarabescu. His son (my granfather) was also a colonel, but in WWII.
That's why I posted the picture and asked for details.
Kepi - you mentioned King Ferdinand. There is a famous photo of a royal procession in Alba Iulia, with King Ferdinand and the queen, in formal wear, surrounded by people. The man carrying the king's cape (trena) is also Colonel Basarabescu. Maybe that's explained by the connection between the regiment and the king.
Unfortunately, I don't know too much about this great-grandfather, but I will try to find out more.
|Posted by: Kepi June 23, 2006 05:58 pm|
They rather look like a platoon of short-term ("termen redus") soldiers, probably students in a reserve military school, about 1940. The side cap (boneta) was introduced in 1939 but later replaced by “capela”, from 1943. The uniform seems to be of M.1924 model, with puttees instead of leggings. This was common for second line troops in 1940-1941. For “Tudor Vladimirescu” Division, the uniforms were more Russian in style, and all ranks, including officers, carried Russian style side caps, decorated in front with the metallic badge of the division.
|Posted by: Cristian June 29, 2006 09:17 am|
| Pictures found on the floor of a deserted house.
|Posted by: Cristian June 29, 2006 09:19 am|
|Posted by: Cristian June 29, 2006 09:22 am|
|Posted by: Cristian June 29, 2006 09:24 am|
The civilian with hat seems to be the same officer?Or not?What car is it?
|Posted by: C-2 June 29, 2006 10:53 am|
| It may be an 1927 Oldsmobile,but I wouldn't bet on it....
The steering is on the right and brakes are manual.
|Posted by: Kepi June 29, 2006 03:29 pm|
He seems to be a junior officer of the Frontier Artillery Regiment of about 1940-41. He has the artillery badge on his cap, decorated with the typical frontier troops light-green band. On the greatcoat he carries the two colours (black/light green) collar patches and buttons (still made in brass, pre-1941) stamped with the flamed grenade (the symbol of infantry and frontier-troops).
During the first winter of the war, 1941-1942, many officers still wore m.1934 greatcoats with gala “trefoil” epaulettes.
|Posted by: Vlad June 04, 2007 01:43 am|
| This is my grand father in November 1941 when he join his unit in Tirgoviste. He was in a cavalry regiment. Does anyone can help me to find out in wich ?
|Posted by: Vlad June 04, 2007 01:50 am|
This is in his return in 1944.
|Posted by: mabadesc June 14, 2007 04:44 am|
| The difference in demeanor between the two pictures is apparent.
In the first picture he has a smiling, boyish demeanor, while in the second he is a mature and serious young man, with a certain sadness in his eyes.
I don't mean to sound cliche, but it's almost as if you can see that he's been through war from the difference between the two expressions.
Anyway, nice pictures.
|Posted by: C-2 June 14, 2007 05:16 am|
|He has at least two metal crowns (posib gold) on his upper right maxilar.|
|Posted by: Vlad June 22, 2007 11:49 am|
| Ok , but what about the uniforms? It is a cavalry uniform? Wich regiment was in Tirgoviste in november 1941?
|Posted by: Victor June 23, 2007 09:12 am|
| Cavalry uniforms did not differ that much from infantry ones, so it is difficult to see from a photo that reveals very little of the uniform.
I don't know what cavalry unit was in Targoviste. The 1st Armored Division had its HQ there.
|Posted by: mabadesc June 24, 2007 03:25 am|
| Here is a slightly unusual picture, taken in 1944.
In the center of the photo, Major (then) Paul Basarabescu, who at the time was working as a delegate for the "Marele Stat Major" (Romanian Military Staff Headquarters). He was assigned by the Transport section to verify how smoothly military railway transports were operating and, as such, he was traveling up and down various railways in a car adapted for rail travel.
What makes the photo slightly unusual is the presence of the automobile, with its tires swapped for train-style wheels.
Does anyone know if such cars were common, and for what other reasons they were employed? Thanks.
|Posted by: C-2 June 24, 2007 07:36 am|
| Among the german army they were very common.
Can you tel what car is it?
Is it a Packard?
|Posted by: dragos June 24, 2007 08:20 am|
| My grandfather in gendarme uniform. The date is not inscribed, location is stamped as "PLOEŞTI" on the bottom right corner.
|Posted by: mabadesc June 25, 2007 02:27 pm|
I'm not sure about the brand of the car. In any case, it belonged to the Romanian MSM. Here is an enlargement, maybe you can tell what brand it is.
|Posted by: C-2 June 25, 2007 05:20 pm|
|It may be a Packard.|
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger June 26, 2007 09:24 am|
Mr. Lupulescu Grigore.
Picture cleaned up a little for Claudiu.
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger June 26, 2007 09:32 am|
Just came across this thread,
In my opinion, having worn a uniform for 21 years, looking at the lengths of the sleeves and the trouser bottoms, and the jaunty angle of the cap, this is somebody dressing in the uniforn for a "fun" picture and not a real enlisted person.
Kevin in Deva
|Posted by: Victor June 26, 2007 09:58 am|
| Ofcourse, you are correct. I am not familiar with women serving in the military throughout the war with the exception of the White Squadron.
I also have a photo of one of my great-grandmothers "dressing up" in a uniform.
|Posted by: 21 inf June 28, 2007 01:30 pm|
N. C. Ranger, you didn't see our uniforms, when i was in the army...!
My shirt was too small for me, my trousers too large (almost 3 times ), and I have to change my boots 3 times till I found my size (45)
And all this only for the summer uniform
|Posted by: 21 inf June 30, 2007 07:28 am|
| My uncle, Lazar Vasile, from Aciua (today Avram Iancu de Arad), brother of my grand-grandfather, Lazar Pavel.
Photo taken in 1st of January 1943 (photographer - Popa from Arad, Metianu street, no. 8; adress from 1943)
AFAIK, Lazar Vasile worked in a time with Nicolae Titulescu.
If anybody can identify the medal and the bars, please feel free to add your posts and comments.
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|Posted by: 21 inf June 30, 2007 07:34 am|
| My grandfather, Lazar Ioan, from Aciua (today Avram Iancu de Arad), as cavalry officer in 1944, age 22.
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|Posted by: 21 inf June 30, 2007 07:42 am|
| My uncle, Hantiu Gheorghe, brother of my grandmother, from Halmagiu, Arad county.
Photo dated 6th of April 1945, at Turnu-Severin.
From him I learned that at eastern front (in Moldova in 1944) he lost a finger to a soviet mortar shell.
He was listed MIA on moldavian front in summer 1944 after his wounding.
He returned home in 1945.
Died in Halmagiu in 1997.
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|Posted by: 21 inf June 30, 2007 07:53 am|
| Photo found in my familly collection.
I dont know who the person was, he is not from my familly.
On the back of the photo is written with blue ink:
"Amintire din ziua cand am plecat pe front. 27. III. 944"
("A memory from the day that I departed for front. 27th of March 1944")
Sergent major Ursulescu Q (or O - it is unclear written).
Photo by E. Constantinescu studio, Campulung Muscel.
The sergeant major Ursulescu has a insignia on his left breast pocket that is unknown for me.
Can anybody identify the insignia?
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|Posted by: 21 inf June 30, 2007 07:59 am|
| Photo found on my familly collection.
I dont know who the officer was, he is not from my familly.
I dont know his specialty (cavarly, infantry etc.)
Also, his name remains unknown, since the photo is signed only with diminutive "Nellu".
Photo taken on 20 July 1942, in the center of Halmagiu, Arad county,
in the front of the Heroes monument from WW1.
The photo was dedicated to a certain young lady named Victi.
(dedication written on the back of the photo with blue ink).
|Posted by: 21 inf June 30, 2007 08:13 am|
| Photo of the same officer above, with his subunit.
He is the officer from the right side of the photo.
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Photo dated 20 July 1942, at Halmagiu.
Knowing Halmagiu, I can tell that the photo was made in the afternoon, after the position of the church seen in photo, wich is situated east from the slope the picture is made, and from the shadow of the unknown photographer.
On the back of the photo, written with probably initially black ink:
20 iulie 1942
Si acum...cand plec departe de tine - spre locuri necunoscute
[urmeaza un rand sters cu creion chimic - nota autorului]
iti las si aceasta poza pe care am facut-o
alaturi de ostasii mei pe meleagurile Halmagiului...de
unde adesea iti trimiteam gandul, dorul si dragostea
mea! Priveste-o si observa si tu ca inima
mea te roaga sa nu ma uiti.
Lui Victi Balta
20 July 1942
And now...when I depart to far away - toward unknown places
[follows a row deleted with chemical pencil - author's note]
I give you this photo that I made together with my soldiers
on the lands of Halmagiu...from where so often
I sent my thought and my love and from where I missed you!
Look at the photo and see yourself that my heart is praying that you remember me.
To Victi Balta
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger June 30, 2007 08:05 pm|
Picture has been highlighted for better better detail.
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: mabadesc July 01, 2007 05:08 am|
| Nice pictures...
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger July 01, 2007 09:38 am|
Does the Ww1 monument still exsist and if yes any chance of seeing some pictures of it??
Kevin in Deva
|Posted by: Dénes July 01, 2007 02:22 pm|
That's an interesting topic.
If it's indeed a WW 1 memorial, it must be for the fallen soldiers of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
|Posted by: 21 inf July 01, 2007 03:38 pm|
Yes, Kevin, for more photo's of memorial, please follow the link posted bellow.
It is indeed a ww1 memorial and it is not raised for AH soldiers.
It was raised by romanians for the romanian soldiers who died
liberating Transylvania, and especially that particular area.
Actually, the first ww1 memorial for romanian soldiers was raised in Halmagiu by my familly, from our own money.
The ww1 memorial from the photo's above is actually the second one raised in the memory of ww1 fallen romanian soldiers.
But because this is off-topic, I must open a different topic, wich could be read at http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=4110
|Posted by: Dénes July 01, 2007 07:21 pm|
That's the paradox I was referring to.
By 1919, WW1 was already over for several months...
|Posted by: 21 inf July 01, 2007 07:48 pm|
I'm afraid this discussion is off-topic here.
Denes, you say it is a paradox, giving the fact that I said that the memorial is for ww1 soldiers.
Practically, the ww1 was over because there it was no fightings in Europe anymore.
Teoretically, the situation of the war was "armistice".
The peace treaty was not signed yet to end officialy the ww1.
On the memorial it is written:
"1916 They fought and died for land and for king 1918" indicating that it's a memorial for those who died in ww1;
In the same time, on the other side of the monument it is written that it was raised also for the remembrance of those who died in 1784, 1848 and 1919 from romanian side. This remembrance of other soldiers from other times doesnt diminished the initial and intented purpose to remember the heroes from ww1.
It is considered that it is was raised for those who died in ww1.
On the other side, the first monument (that which was raised by my familly), remembered only the romanian soldiers fallen in ww1 ("pentru intregirea neamului").
It is known that for romanians the ww1 was considered "Razboiul pentru Intregirea Neamului" ("the War for the Unification of the Nation") and romanian king Ferdinand I is called also "Intregitorul" (I dont know the translation in English of "Intregitorul")
|Posted by: Messerschmitt July 02, 2007 07:48 am|
| Are those guys romanian ww2 soldiers ? ( the man in the right is my grandpa)
|Posted by: Dénes July 02, 2007 09:40 am|
| O.K., 21inf, I see.
Now we can go back to the topic.
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger July 02, 2007 06:44 pm|
I enhanced the picture a little, for better detail.
Romanian Mountain troops??
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: 21 inf July 06, 2007 11:58 am|
| 1 week already since I posted the pics here and no one able to identify 1 decoration and 3-4 bars?
|Posted by: Victor July 07, 2007 12:14 pm|
|The article on the Coroana Romaniei Order has been posted for several years now on the website: http://www.worldwar2.ro/decoratii/?article=111, yet people hardly seem to use the information we work so hard to amass and post there.|
|Posted by: 21 inf July 07, 2007 02:24 pm|
I apreciate the work you made here, but about the info's from the link you mentioned, it helped me very little:
- as photo, Coroana Romaniei posted it's a pre ww2 decoration. In my photo is a 1938 Coroana, and being no specialist in this area, I cant made an opinion to myself.
- Coroana has at least 5 classes, I dont know what class it is the one I posted, so I need a specialist to identify exactly the class.
- in the photo from http://www.worldwar2.ro/decoratii/?language=ro&article=111 are 2 Coroana: one silver and one gold. I dont know what means this difference, and I'm interested to a corect identification of the Coroana from my post.
- also, no subject at all to be found about "barete" from the pic I posted.
|Posted by: 21 inf July 07, 2007 02:33 pm|
I asked ppl from another forum to identify the decorations from the pic above.
The decoration and bars are:
- the decoration: Coroana Romaniei (1938 model) with war ribbon, Knight Class.
- the bar from the low right side it is Centenarul regelui Carol I.
- the bar from the upper side is probably Cruciada impotriva comunismului.
- the bar from the low left side was not identified yet by anyone...
Many thanks to boonicootza and leonard.florian
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger July 07, 2007 05:07 pm|
| Hallo 21 inf.
My reading of the ribbons from top to bottom would be:
1. Cruciada impotriva comunismului.
2. Medalia "Peles" 1933.
3. Centenarul regelui Carol I.
Ordinul Coarana Romaniei (1881) Cavaler - militar 2 model (1938) metal argintat.
This is what the ribbon of the Crusade Against Communisum looks like when reduced from colour to Black & White:
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: 21 inf July 07, 2007 05:15 pm|
| Thank you very much, N. C. Ranger!!!!
DIN TARA MOTILOR EU AM VENIT!
|Posted by: 21 inf July 07, 2007 05:27 pm|
| Due to the help offered by N.C. Ranger, I made further research and I found the info posted bellow.
This is how this ribbons looks in colours, in original:
1. Cruciada impotriva comunismului
2. Medalia Peles 1933
3. Centenarul regelui Carol I.
Orders and decorations awarded for war merit were always worn ahead of those for peacetime merit irrespective of their class.
|Posted by: 21 inf July 07, 2007 05:48 pm|
| 1. Cruciada impotriva comunismului.
Awarded from 1942.
Awarded to all military personnel, regardless the rank, who fought on eastern front or who esentially contributed to the succes of military operations on eastern front.
It was posible to be awarded with "barete" (ribbons?) on which were written the main areas of the battles.
2. Medalia comemorativa Peles 1933.
On 26th of September 1933, at Peles, after a liturgy, it was unveiled 2 statues: of Carol I (author: Oscar Han) and of queen Elisabeta (author: Oscar Spaethe).
It followed an official dinner in the front of the castle, in the honour of the 600 participants. The commemorative medal Peles (author: Ion Jalea) was given to each of 600 guests.
3. Medalia centenarul nasterii regelui Carol I.
Awarded at 9 may 1939.
|Posted by: 21 inf July 12, 2007 07:33 pm|
| Were i've seen something similar before?
The monument and the building, I mean
|Posted by: Ferdinand July 13, 2007 08:34 pm|
guys have you looked better....
the size of womans belly....i don't belive that a man would fit that....
|Posted by: Ferdinand July 14, 2007 08:46 am|
| as i was directed i'll post here pics with family members that went to war
first my syster in law is an half german, and this man was relative(brother or cosin) with her grandfather...name was weiss, from resita
don't know what happend to him, but grandmutter told us how bad was for "sasi" in pow camps(in romania?.....near oradea)
By http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rennsport, shot with http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=%3CDigimax+S700+%2F+Kenox+S700+%2F+Digimax+Cyber+730%3E&make=Samsung+Techwin at 2007-07-14
|Posted by: 21 inf July 14, 2007 11:03 am|
| Does the man in pic above wear the german "Infantry Assault Badge"?
What insignia is that small one with a swastika?
What rank he is? Sturmman?
Can anyone identify his unit, please?
|Posted by: Ferdinand July 14, 2007 11:47 am|
| here is a detailed pic....
hope to manage with indentification...
By http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rennsport at 2007-07-14
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger July 16, 2007 08:56 am|
The badge is: The Rumanian NSDAP Volksdeutsche Sports Badge
Image belongs to Mr. Robin Lumsden at GMIC Forum.
The soldier is a member of the s.s. so I imagine he had a very rough time as a P.O.W.
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: RHaught October 10, 2007 02:18 am|
| My wife's grandfather who is still alive in Iasi.
|Posted by: RHaught October 14, 2007 11:31 am|
What information would you need to have from him? I have a letter somewhere that he wrote and will look for it but think he describes the situation in a general format until wounded at Rostov-on-Don.
|Posted by: Victor October 14, 2007 11:53 am|
|Anything he wishes to share about his experiences.|
|Posted by: 21 inf November 08, 2007 10:49 pm|
| One can see here how is looking a romanian soldier who survived russian and western front
Also, some ww2 images with romanian troops, which are at least for me, seen for the first time.
|Posted by: Yu_L.Yan November 24, 2007 05:35 pm|
| My grandfather (down in this picture)
Regimentul 2 - Transmisiuni - IASI
This picture, was made in comuna Varbilau, jud. Prahova, in 1939.
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 25, 2007 05:31 pm|
Thanks Yu for sharing your photo. Can you tell us something about your Grandfather during the war ? Did he survive the war ?
|Posted by: dacliber May 24, 2008 03:56 pm|
| This is my grandfather and his platoon before the war!The white shirts under uniform its part of the equipment?http://imageshack.us
|Posted by: Agarici May 24, 2008 06:08 pm|
If I’m not mistaking, this is one of the few photos where the people wear the baggy trousers of the model 1939 uniform. Were they still in use in 1940/1941?
|Posted by: dragos May 24, 2008 06:15 pm|
|dacliber, thanks for the picture. The gun appears to be a 76.2 mm Schneider-Putilov M1902/1904 or M1910.|
|Posted by: dacliber May 25, 2008 06:12 am|
| Hi Dragos ! Here is another one!It's from ww1 with my grand grand father and his platoon! He is the one in the middle with some kind of revolver http://imageshack.us
|Posted by: Kepi May 25, 2008 07:25 am|
Until WW2 romanian soldiers wore white shirts. If the tunic collar was larger, the white shirt collar became visible.
The NCOs uniforms (with open collar tunics and small crown hats) indicate that the photo was made between 1934-1940. Unlike the officers, NCOs didn’t carry diagonal straps on their Sam Browne belts and had silk instead of gold wire cap badges.
The cap badge symbol is not visible but the light colour collar patches indicate an artillery platoon of an infantry or frontier troops regiment. Soldiers are equipped with Romanian M. 1893 Mannlicher rifles, still in use in some units before 1940.
|Posted by: 21 inf May 25, 2008 09:06 am|
| Dacliber, thanks for sharing this photo's!
I like particulary the photo from ww1 period!
Keep them coming if you have more
|Posted by: dacliber May 25, 2008 10:57 am|
| There is one for you "sublocotenent".Can you tell me something more about their equipment.My greatgrandfather(in the left) hold in in this hand some kind a whip. http://imageshack.us
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger May 25, 2008 11:46 am|
Appears that the men in this picture have French equipment, (helmets & Machine guns).
A Friend of mine located this today in Deva, at the Gypsy market.
Detail of the Designer name:-
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: 21 inf May 25, 2008 11:47 am|
| For sure Kepi can tell us everything about their uniforms.
I can say only that the guy behind your greatgrandfather has a austro-hungarian uniform.
Can you tell the unit of your greatgrandfather? Was he in some transylvanian volunteer regiment which joined romanian army? Or at least can you point from where your greatgrandfather is?
|Posted by: Claudiu1988 May 25, 2008 12:45 pm|
| Here is may grand grandfather. He was from Codlea and fought on the Eastern front. He was decorated with the Military Virtue Cross and Manhood and Loyalty Medal second class. He is the one in the middle.
|Posted by: Claudiu1988 May 25, 2008 12:55 pm|
| Here is my grand grandfather's brother from Constanta, he was part of the submarine crew from Delfinu and later Rechinul. He was decorted with the Military Virtue Cross and the Loyal and faithful medal third class. He was also on the Destroyer Queen Elizabeth.
In the pisture from left to right:
1. Colonel Iancu - Mortar crew
2. Contra Amiral Petre Zamfir - Submarine Crew ( he is my great great uncle)
3. General de flotila aeriana Gheorghe Constantin - Pilot in ww2
All of them are my good friends.
I will put better pictures
|Posted by: Kepi May 25, 2008 02:33 pm|
This is a very interesting photo, typical for the 1919 campaign against Hungary.
The three military, sitting on chairs and standing on the right, are wearing british other ranks uniforms, massively supplied by the Allies in spring 1919, to reequip the poor Romanian army. Khaki colour looks dark grey on the b/w photos. The "Plutonier TR" on the right also wears british airman laced boots, very rare in WW1, but available after the war and delivered in grand quantities to Romania.
The soldier standing on the left is wearing an austro-hungarian tunic (first model made in “hecht-grau” cloth very similar to the Romanian grey-blue). It’s very much possible that the two soldiers of the second line are wearing a later version of the austro-hungarian cap (“Kappe”) with only one button in front of the flaps.
The diagonal straps of the two NCOs (“Plutonier”) in front are clear ad-hoc improvisation to indicate the status of the wearers. Both NCOs carry horse whip and stick probably for posing in front of the camera.
This mixed appearance was typical for Romanian army in 1919 and during the first years of the 1920s.
|Posted by: Kepi May 25, 2008 03:09 pm|
The photo seems to be made in summer 1917 or 1918. It represents a romanian infantry platoon with its two sections: of riflemen and light machine guns ( “CSRG” – “Gladiator”).
It’s interesting to see that all soldiers rose the rear sights of their rifles and hold a cartridge clip in the right hand.
|Posted by: dacliber May 25, 2008 03:20 pm|
| My greatgrandfather plt. Mihai Cordun was of Roman jud.Neamt,and the next pictures is made in 29.04.1919 at manoeuvre at Tisa shore with "Regt.Razboi nr. 15 ,Bat. II,Comp.5http://imageshack.us
|Posted by: Sturmpionier May 25, 2008 05:47 pm|
|I might be wrong, but it seems to me he is wearing a M95 NCO bayonet.|
|Posted by: dacliber May 25, 2008 05:57 pm|
|You are right Sturmpionier!I still have it but is dammaged.No matter it is from my greatgrandfather and i value her|
|Posted by: Kepi May 26, 2008 05:42 am|
The “Plutonier” is wearing one of the many variants of French WW1 officer uniforms. The French NCO rank insignia (a reversed “V” lace) still could be seen above the tunic cuff. Again the diagonal strap is an improvisation. It is unusually carried over the left shoulder…
Note the traditional woolen hat (“Caciula”) put on the table, still having King Carol I badge in front (it was abandoned in 1914), and the short infantry jack-boots, probably of german origin, which make visible the long, civilian, socks…
Concerning the Austrian bayonet, the Romanian army was equipped in 1913 with a great quantity of A-H Mannlichers, but also captured a lot of such weapons and accessories in 1919. As an NCO, he should carry a sword and revolver, but almost all officers and NCOs adopted daggers or simply bayonets (most of them captured) during the last years of the war.
|Posted by: Alexei2102 May 27, 2008 03:23 pm|
| Hi guys,
My small contribution to this thread: my favourite ARR foto.
|Posted by: Dénes May 27, 2008 06:47 pm|
| And who was Mircea? Perhaps a relative of yours?
|Posted by: Alexei2102 May 28, 2008 05:41 am|
Nope, just my favorite ARR portrait. I like to keep my portraits simple.
PS - I will scan and post a portrait of my great-great grandpa. He was a German Arty man, fought on the Western front.
|Posted by: dacliber May 30, 2008 07:22 pm|
| Hi fellows!Can you tell me more about this post card?Sure you can!Respect!http://imageshack.us
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger May 30, 2008 07:36 pm|
| The original postcard which commemorates Marasti (?)
has been altered by the picture being stuck to it, it would be very interesting to know whats under the picture.
The original card which sold for 5 Leu was printed for the Marasti Society possibly a War Veterans Organization (?).
Kevin in Deva
|Posted by: dacliber May 30, 2008 07:56 pm|
|Should I remove carefuly the picture?It seems like a blasphemy to me!|
|Posted by: dacliber May 30, 2008 08:00 pm|
|Kepi I need your opinion on this...|
|Posted by: Alexei2102 May 31, 2008 11:12 am|
| And here is my great-great grandpa. Kanonier Hans Francisc. Foto taken in 1917, while he was on the Western Front.
|Posted by: dacliber May 31, 2008 12:24 pm|
|Hmm...all quiet on the western front!|
|Posted by: Victor May 31, 2008 04:36 pm|
|The card was given in exchange of a 5 lei contribution to the building of the Marasti mausoleum. The photo was most likely glued on later.|
|Posted by: dacliber May 31, 2008 06:34 pm|
| Hi guys!Can you tell me something about this pictures!I found it in my family pictures but none of my relatives ,as far as i now,has mounted a horse before http://imageshack.us
|Posted by: Victor May 31, 2008 06:54 pm|
|Interwar photo of men of the 12th Rosiori Regiment|
|Posted by: Kepi June 01, 2008 06:44 am|
Very nice photo!
It seems there is the trumpeters squad of the 12th Rosiori Regiment (as it was written on the photo), of about 1930s. Note the white colour of the trumpeters horses, typical for the cavalry military bands. The rest of the horses of a cavalry unit had any other colour but white. Usually, the horses in a squadron were of the same colour: black, gray, brown, etc.
|Posted by: Kepi June 01, 2008 07:14 am|
The Kannonier is wearing a later version of AH tunic (with folding collar and apparent breast pockets), adopted in 1916, probably made in german Feldgrau, rather than the traditional AH Hechtgrau, used at the beginning of the war. He belonged to a Honved (Hungarian Royal Army) artillery unit, because of the Hungarian style knots carried on the trousers…
As far as I know the AH troops were sent on the Western Front only in 1918. The 18th AH Corps was composed of 4 infantry divisions. One of them was the 35th Infantry Division, of the common army, composed of Transylvanians. But it was also the 37th Honved (Royal Hungarian) Infantry Division. Was your ancestor romanian or hungarian? Maybe your grand-grand father belonged to that unit?
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger June 01, 2008 07:23 am|
No, I would not remove the picture, what remains underneath will have to remain one of life's little mystery's. I am sure a similar card, less picture will turn up somewhere some time in the future.
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger June 01, 2008 07:31 am|
the picture would have been taken in a photographic studio in a town somewhere,
the table with vase of flowers and the painted background or hanging cloth,
are typical of such pictures, it was probably taken while he was on leave,
or at home on a visit.
Pictures of these are typical of the period, and sent to family and friends.
Also notes he wears no military equipment, carries no bayonet, pistol etc..etc
looks very fresh, rested, is clean shaven, and wearing good clothes.
which also suggest he was well behind the front lines at this particular point in time.
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: Dénes June 01, 2008 11:14 am|
Indeed, his trousers are adorned with the so-called 'vitéz kötés' (approx. 'braveman knot'). However, the cap badge is not painted in the typical Hungarian red-white-green stripes, so he might have belonged to an Austrian army unit.
With such a name I doubt he was an ethnic Rumanian. He was either ethnic German (Saxon), or Hungarian.
|Posted by: Kepi June 01, 2008 06:31 pm|
During WW1, and before, all AH military, including those of the Honved, had Franz Jozef I cypher ("FJI") stamped on the cap badge. Franz Jozef was also king of Hungary...
|Posted by: 21 inf June 01, 2008 07:42 pm|
| Our friend Alexei will tell the ethnicity of his greatgrandfather, for sure.
Until then, my 2 cent contribution: Alexei said the name of his ancestor was Francisc; if we supose that the man was hungarian, then Francisc should be Ferenc, isnt he? Or if he was german, he should be named Franz instead Francisc, isnt he? I dont say the man was romanian, i say only that is very posible that he is not-german and not-hungarian. Maybe of slav origin...
But Alexei will solve the mistery
|Posted by: Alexei2102 June 01, 2008 08:05 pm|
Thank you for your feedback. My great grandpa was of German ethnicity. After WW1 he married a Romanian girl and he stayed here.
During WW2 he worked for the German Army, ny helping them build airfields, since he was a qualified engineer.
Below there are two more fotos of him, from ww2, during a "break", with some German soldiers, here in Romania.
|Posted by: 21 inf June 01, 2008 08:18 pm|
|Now I can explain why he was "Francisc" and not "Franz", even if he was german.|
|Posted by: Alexei2102 June 08, 2008 11:03 am|
Some other portraits:
1. A Regal Officer, decorat with the German Order of the Eagle, second class:
|Posted by: Alexei2102 June 08, 2008 11:05 am|
| And, secondly:
2. A Romanian Pilot/Air Gunner, wearing the Romanian Pilot Badge, and the German Air Gunner Badge.
Picture is dated on the back, signed and dedicated. Year is 1943.
|Posted by: Florin_Braileanu June 23, 2008 04:26 am|
| I cannot put a precise date as to when this picture was taken, but it is my educated guess that it was shot in the mid 1930's. The location is the garrison town of Braila.
The picture depicts the Flag Guard of the Divizion 4 Artilerie Călăreată (4th Horse Artillery Battalion) that was later transformed on 4/9/1939 to Regimentul 4 Artilerie Călăreată (4th Horse Artillery Regiment). The military that holds the flag is my grandfather, Plutonier Dumitru Oprea (1904 – 1997).
Note that I prefer to translate “Division de Artilerie Călăreată” as “Horse Artillery Battalion” rather than “Horse Artillery Division”. The latter is used often, but I consider it misleading with respect to the size of the unit, particularly for a reader that is not up-to-speed with the Pre-WWII Romanian Army nomenclature.
|Posted by: Victor June 23, 2008 06:55 am|
The articles on our website use "battalion", which is the correct translation.
|Posted by: Alexei2102 July 08, 2008 06:15 pm|
| Some more ARR guys:
1. Eastern Front foto:
|Posted by: Alexei2102 July 08, 2008 06:17 pm|
| 2. Working... Eastern Front 1941:
|Posted by: Alexei2102 July 08, 2008 06:18 pm|
| 3. And lastly, a very well decorated Pilot/Observer.
|Posted by: Claudiu1988 August 13, 2008 03:06 pm|
| Here is a photo with my uncle, he is wearing the submarine badge.
|Posted by: Alexei2102 August 14, 2008 09:43 am|
| Nice pic, Claudiu, thanks for sharing it.
|Posted by: dacliber August 17, 2008 08:30 am|
| There is a interesting pictures!My grandfather and his comrades wearing soviet epaulete.It was taken after the war in the courtyard of the Bacau comandament. http://imageshack.us
|Posted by: Alexei2102 September 01, 2008 05:41 am|
| Another set of airmen:
|Posted by: Alexei2102 September 01, 2008 05:42 am|
|Posted by: Alexei2102 September 01, 2008 05:43 am|
|Posted by: Alexei2102 October 18, 2008 05:35 pm|
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger October 18, 2008 07:41 pm|
I am not 100% sure if he is Romanian, if in error please feel free to delete.thank you.
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: Alexei2102 February 08, 2009 12:42 pm|
| Gen Saidac A. - commander of 1st Infantry Division.
|Posted by: Kepi February 09, 2009 08:00 am|
He is a Roshiori (line cavalry) officer of about 1912-1913, probably during the Balkan War, as he still wears the coloured M.1895 uniform but has the new M.1912 grey-green kepi. During the first months after the new 1912 uniforms regulation was issued many officers and men wore mixture of old and new uniforms...
|Posted by: Alexei2102 July 25, 2009 12:12 pm|
| Officer wearing a 7 year badge.
|Posted by: Alexei2102 July 25, 2009 12:12 pm|
| Navy Officer.
|Posted by: Alexei2102 July 25, 2009 12:13 pm|
| MTR members.
|Posted by: Alexei2102 July 25, 2009 12:14 pm|
| ARR pilot wearing the military and the civil pilot badges.
|Posted by: Alexei2102 July 25, 2009 12:15 pm|
| Navy officer wearing the submariner badge.
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger July 25, 2009 05:40 pm|
Interestingly he wears the Romanian Crusade Against Communism medal
with the reverse to the front.
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: contras January 13, 2010 09:29 pm|
| A photo taken in early 1940. Sitting is my grandfather, in his last year at the college. Sitting is one of his elder brothers, Nicolae, MIA at Stalingrad, just 2 years after theis photo was taken.
|Posted by: contras January 13, 2010 09:35 pm|
|Excuse me, sitting is my granfather, standing is his elder brother, Nicolae, at this time serving in Reg 88 Inf Carei. later, after the occupation of northern Transylvania, they refugiated near Turda, and Nicolae was serving in Reg 83 Inf, I believe. If you had any dates about this regiment, in wich division it was part of, and what it happens with it, please tell me. I know about him that he is MIA at Stalingrad, the last postal card from him is dated in 15 September 1942.|
|Posted by: ocoleanui January 14, 2010 08:03 am|
| Reg 83 Inf is part of 20th Infantry Division .In the book of Pandea Adrian '' Romanii la Stalingrad '' write more about Reg 83 Inf during the battle of Stalingrad .
I read these days about the actions of the regiment in the book of Mr Pandea and I post here some details .
|Posted by: contras January 14, 2010 08:44 am|
|Thank you, ocoleanui, I'll check.|
|Posted by: ocoleanui January 14, 2010 08:15 pm|
| 20 Infantry Division - Gerner Nicolae Tataranu = 20th Infantry Division: (It used to be Targu Mures until August 1940) with :
82nd Infantry Regiment,
83rd Infantry Regiment tribune Solomon Balint,= CO Col.Jianu Dumitru
91st Infantry Regiment Alba Iulia-King Ferdinand I: Alba Iulia,
39th Artillery Regiment,
40th Artillery Regiment.
On 20/11/1942 when Russian attacks began south of Stalingrad, a division of General Tataranu lined stretched space, was attacked by superior forces. Although enemy tanks passed separately over division, she still held until the chest and 2nd Infantry Division, which is located south was thrown back to the south west and flank the enemy atact discovered Roman .[....] Division 20 Dissolution Division, pierced in several parts and threatened back, became imminent. General Tataranu to succeed in this very difficult situation that the energetic order to keep its Division cohesion to form a new front on 21/11/1942 defensive front organization .[...] Occasion oraului south of Stalingrad, it was found that almost all heavy weapons and restocking of Division services lost due to the rupture front executed by surprise by the Russians. The division could not be engaged in the block and was not able to source only. The fact that the situation was so nature, that had found all sorts of expedients to increase the power struggle, it was necessary to engage all unittile Division 20, they were still able to fight. For these reasons the body of the army ordered all units in this division to be assigned to the German divisions. fully understanding the situation, the general admitted that Tataranu dolutie and care that each Roman soldier, able to fight, to be framed in front of defense .[...}
On 09.12.1942 there was the bulk of Division 20 is in the region .. always Agodni Division was subordinated to IV Army Corps in Germany. Division has the following losses in personnel and material: Reg 82 Inf was 25% Inf Reg 83 was 35%, Reg 91 Inf Division was 50% ... 6300 total of 11,400 people.
Losses in men and material are due mainly to wearing heroic units have stayed the initial resistance cantinuind, encircled, to complete destruction. Whose heavy enemy direct action we produced the greatest losses .[... ]
On February 2, 1943 ends a chapter traffic but glorious Division 20. The rest live surrounded rid soldiers have taken the path of communist camps ...
Rid of those stories from inferno mention these on the fight for elbow Don:
-colonels fighting the bayonet;
-wounded, fell to his knees, praying able-bodied people to not leave them in the hands of Russia;
-gunner and infantry, tanks pulling up to 20-30 feet, preferring to die crushed by tanks better than to give a step back;
-people gathered by the Russians and ironing tank, making it a mass of jelly, etc. [...]
source :From the book ''Romanii la Stalingrad '' de Adrian Pandea and his team .
|Posted by: ocoleanui January 14, 2010 08:21 pm|
| Between 2 and September 9, in cooperation with German units mentioned, captured the village Pesteanka (the southern edge of Stalingrad), Stara Duborova and Trigurgana height and between 10 and 17 September last in defense of the line reached to make sure flank and back German troops advancing on Stalingrad, then handed or fight the German Infantry Division 271, taking the front of Jagoda and Tundutovo.
Starting the morning of November 20, 1942, after a powerful artillery preparation, including Katie, Division 20 has received the shock of mass attack Soviet tanks. With all the resistance of 91 Regiment and 20 Battalion Pioneers, the enemy broke the front directiiloe Tundutovo and Ivanovka, along the railway embankment, penetrating the rear and right flank of the division. After an endurance of about an hour, the Romanian military effort on the direction of Soviet troops have been killed or captured, from commander to the last soldier, were saved only 2-3 officers and soldiers 30-40.
Simultaneously, Russian tanks have entered the sectortul the 2nd Artillery Regiment 40, pulverizându her position as a life and death struggle. "10 At times, the Russians attacked and in central and northern sectors of the Division, the Battalion 1 of 83 Infantry Regiment escaped only 32 people.
29 Motorized Infantry Division German intervention and vigorous orders in accordance with the situation "given by General Tataranu - as considered by General Erwin Jaeneke, 4 German Army Corps - 20 Division have maintained cohesion and made possible the establishment of a new front defensively, committing reserves the forefront, day of November 21, along with neighboring German units, moved to counterattack. Finally, the front was stabilized in the east of Gavrilovka until November 22, when the order of 4 German Corps, Division 20 and direct the fight broke north the line Jagodni, Zibenko west, where, after a short time, was surrounded, together with German Infantry Division 297. On November 23, due to the precarious situation of the division, its units, replaced by German troops retreated into a zone of regrouping in the north-east of Rakotino.
The fight against Soviet tanks continued without interruption, on a cold of minus 30 degrees and under a layer of snow over 50 inches. 82 Infantry Regiment was particularly noted that, in early December, the attack of two Russian divisions, as quoted by order of the day by the 294 Division commanders, Army Corps 4 and 4 armored German deed to the praise and commented post Radio Berlin. The regiment was awarded the Order of Michael the Brave "class III and a total of 50 soldiers have been awarded the Order of the Iron Cross" class Ia and II.
Referring to the general behavior Tataranu, 4 German Corps, General Jaeneke appreciate that he was active in all situations, working without waiting for orders, in the spirit of the German command higher intentiunilor. He was groomed every Romanian soldiers capable of fighting , to be employed in front of defense "and did not hesitate to take action against some officers and troops that did not correspond." when they entered Division 1 in encircling calaverie (History Magazine, no. 11/1992) and Detachment Colonel Voicu ", they immediately took their subordinates engaged in the fight by the same principles.
Bayonet against tank
To summarize, this was the situation in which Romanian troops were caught in the encirclement. The fight was dramatic,. No food, no water, no fuel, no ammunition and no escape, carrying an avalanche day and night by bullets, shells, mines and bombs thrown from all directions, massive attacks of tanks grapple - as record of the major Niculescu Staff of Division 20. After shooting and the last bullet, brave soldiers of the 20 Infantry Division, in their latest effort, the enemy with bayonets fling with shovels and cazmalele in hands, scoring in the history of the nation as the most brilliant pages of glory and heroism, arising from spirit of dedication, boundless love of country and spirit of sacrifice all for the nation and the Cross ".
Grandiloquent, chauvinist, propaganda? Well, not this time. This testimony linking with other documents of age and German assessments may be established as 20 Infantry Division troops fought heroically in the circle indeed of Stalingrad, trying to resist them by up to relieving other troops outside the encirclement. They were firmly convinced that this will happen. Relevance of this is recorded in a document summary:
In mid-January with the complete confidence of the favorable end of the fight still reigned in the bands from the city. German headquarters all knew the steps to face the most difficult situations with ease. Its air supply from the same course as before. German soldiers, especially infantry, still struggling with the same enthusiasm of the soldier invincible. All were aware of the fact that resistance was their last chance. The overwhelming superiority of enemy forces and means to them but finally sealed the fate ".
After the Russians occupied the aerodrome Pitomnik on January 16, 1943, taking the trapped exhaust every possibility of casualties, supplies could have been done only by launching parachute living conditions - log specifies operations - are becoming increasingly heavier. The enemy, no frost and make havoc among the people whose efforts are titanic. Narrow circle incessantly until the walls reach Stalingrad. Last day of resistance was February 2, 1943, when Romanian troops finally overwhelmed by the number of enemy fall alongside their German comrades.
Finally, 20 ianfanterie Division lost 234 officers, 209 NCOs, 601 soldiers, 6, 5 600 horses and all weapons. They escaped only part of the formations of services when the Soviet counteroffensive at Sety were grouped in two echelon of the division. Threatened with encirclement and they have managed to retreat with great difficulty to the west, arriving in country on April 16, 1943, with only 54 officers, 39 NCOs, 1 470 soldiers. Mention that the numbers leaving her division at the front were 427 officers, 431 NCOs and 217 soldiers 13.
Definitely is that the crushing defeat was due and difficult situation in which division was introduced by the German command in battle (and to reserve a front exceeding 18 km), but their mistakes in carrying the fight, insufficient instructions especially regarding action against tanks, which made that in some cases to produce panic followed by leaving the position to fight. General firm disciplinary measures taken Tataranu and it did not disintegrate as the front. Moreover, following the example of German comrades, the Romanian military have gained courage to fight enemy tanks, before making attempts that were difficult to be subjected to cold nights and violent wind that during the fighting they spent in the open, often continuously harassed the enemy and inadequate equipment grelelor evidence that must pass. "He gave all realize that there was another way of survival.
Unlike other cases, the failures were attributed to their German allies, most of the 20 Division officers who survived the hell of Stalingrad showed good cooperation in arms with the German troops. Lieutenant-Colonel Padureanu, chief of staff of the division, stressed that the relations with Romanian troops from the Army 6 until the last German soldier, squad leader or sentinel, were held very loyal and understanding of the gaps and needs our all. We have always helped with everything they had more than us. "Tataranu general himself reported on December 9, 1942, that the supply of food and ammunition, and discharges are made in the same condition by German units, the Romanian military receive the same rati as German troops.
source : wikipedia.org despre Generalul N.Tataranu
|Posted by: contras January 14, 2010 08:34 pm|
| Thank you very much, ocolenui, for your effort. I'll try to find this book, and I/ll do may best. I heard about it, but I don't managed to find it, yet. I'll try to anticars and other possibilities.
Thank you again.
|Posted by: Victor January 15, 2010 03:45 pm|
You can always check the Order of battle on the website: http://www.worldwar2.ro/oob/?section=11
|Posted by: contras February 28, 2010 08:38 pm|
| I forget about it, but thank's to MMM, I come back with some explanations.
My avatar is taken by an old photo of my grandfather elder brother, Nicolae, who served in Reg 83 Inf and he's MIA at Stalingrad. In this photo he was wearing uniform with caporal badges and helmet. I must take just a part of the photo and decrease the contrast, for let that be my avatar. The last word from him was a post card dated 19 September 1942.
A few words about my granfather family. It was a family from Apuseni Mountains, a village called Marisel, from where it was Pelaghia Rosu and his son, Indrei, who fought with bravery in 1949 against Hungarian troops. My grand-grandfather was in AU army in ww1, and fought in Italy and France.
After ww1, his family moved to Marna, a village near Carei, to start a new life. My grand/grandfather died in 1930, and he left 6 boys and a girl, who died in his early life. In 1940, after the Northern part of Transylvania was ceased to Hungary, they must became refugees near Turda. The ww2 begins for Romania, and the elder 4 brothers, including my grandfather, were send to Eastern front. In late 1941, somebody in Army reach at the fact that there were 4 brothers who were on front line, and decided that one must be sent home. This one was my grandfather, because he was the only student from the brothers, in 1st year at the college. He was sent home. Not home, but at the college. All the other brothers were MIA, Nicolae, as I said, at Staligran, Teodor, in 1944 in Moldova, when Red Army broke the front line at 20 August (the last time when one man from his village, who escape, saw him). Ion, was MIA in 1943, but he come back with Horea, Closca si Crisan division. Were some propositions to him, to remain in army, but he refused and come back in his village and become peasant. He died in 1996.
Until the end of the war, the other two little brothers were under arms. They took part at Western campaign, in Hungary and Czeckoslovakia. My grandfather, who was sent home, died in 1997. Today lives just the little one from six brothers. Nicolae, my avatar, left home a wife and one daughter. His daughter passed away in 1996.
I know it is a real story, but can look unbeliaveble. Because, a few years ago, when I traveled by train with an Englishman, we talk a lot about history and ww2. He was very proud that his grandmother knows at that time the only survivor from Hood battleship. After that, I tells him my family story, and he was really impresed. When we descend from the train, a Romanian who pretends himself that he was sleeping in the compartiment, or he pretends that he don't understand English, come to me just to shake my hand. I was very touched.
|Posted by: 21 inf February 28, 2010 08:55 pm|
|Marisel battle were fought Pelaghia Rosu took place in 1849, not 1949.|
|Posted by: contras February 28, 2010 09:07 pm|
Sorry, 21 Inf, it is my mistake. Of course I refer at this battle, in 1849. I don't verify the text, and so had happened.
|Posted by: contras February 28, 2010 09:29 pm|
|BTW, up from here, you can see a photo of my grandfather, sitting, and his elder brother, my avatar, standing, with his uniform and caporal badge. My avatar is taken from another photo of him.|
|Posted by: contras March 04, 2010 10:24 pm|
I must say that my discussion with the Englihman was about the new movie, then, "Saving private Ryan". I told him that this movie is just a fiction for the westerners, but for us, the ones who fought whith all we had, it was the cruel reality.
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger March 05, 2010 11:15 am|
What do you mean "fiction" for the Westerners?
Tell that to the people of France, Holland, Belgium, Danemark, Norway,
who had to live under Nazi occupation, and the British who had to endure nightly
bombing attacks from the Luftwaffe, and food shortages caused by the Nazi U-boat
"Wolf-Packs" in the Atlantic.
When "Saving Private Ryan" was released there were and still are, many people
alive in "the West" who lived, and fought through those terrible times.
People in the West had to endure the loss of their loved ones, fighting in other parts
of the world such as North Africa, Burma, Indo-China, New Guinea, etc..etc..
People in the West had to endure their homes and lives being irrevocably changed
by World War 2, Romania did not have a monopoly on the suffering by any means.
"Saving Private Ryan" was an attempt to show, a small part of the American effort
on "D-Day" by a fictional Unit.
Kevin in Deva.
|Posted by: contras March 05, 2010 03:20 pm|
| You missunderstand me, Kevin.
I refered about the plot of the movie, about 4 brothers from whom 3 were killed and one recovered. This is fiction, as I know, is not based on a true fact. My grandfather was in same situation, but for true, he was retreated. His other 3 brothers were MIA, and just one returned.
|Posted by: New Connaught Ranger March 05, 2010 06:54 pm|
If I may draw your attention to this WW2 fact:-
Five brothers from the same family, the Sullivan family all serving on the cruiser "Juneau" died when their cruiser was sunk during the battle of Savo Island in 1942.
In order to avoid such future tragedy, the US military put into place regulations restricting the assignment of soldiers from the same family to the same unit.
Some movies do have a basis of trurth, "Saving Private Ryan" was built around the Sullivans brothers, however a film on them:-
had been already made how much depends on the director and budget in Hollywood.
To all those killed in war,
May they all +Rest In Peace +
|Posted by: contras March 05, 2010 08:20 pm|
| OK, New Connaught Ranger, I do not say anything about it. I undrestand in every corner of the world, during ww2, were many tragedies. My point is that we, Romanians, pay the price of the war no less that any country who now has the budget to make a movie about this.
The tragedy of "Ryan family", or whatever the name could be, is the tragedy of every people who pay is tribute of blood in ww2. And I gave one example, accidental, was one of my grandfather family. I'm sure is not the only, in Romania or in the world, but is important, I think, to say that our people suffer in this period no less that other people.
|Posted by: ocoleanui May 12, 2010 07:12 am|
|Posted by: contras May 12, 2010 07:56 am|
If you want to know more about Ion Toba Hatmanu, read Da Giju's book, Zodia capului de mort, Edit Phobos, Bucuresti, 2005.
Here is entire story and many pages of Toba's diary.
|Posted by: Ursulescu August 23, 2010 12:52 am|
ThanX for posting this information. I have posted a link to this article on my Brother-In-Law's Ursulescu Family History web site and hopefully someone will be able to give an answer. Perhaps the Sergent Major was a friend of the family's during that time and is now forgotten by your family. Hopefully though, he won't be forgotten by history, thanx to your posting!
|Posted by: Ursulescu August 23, 2010 04:19 pm|
|One of my relatives is now looking into this picture of Ursulescu. Hopefully he finds out what he wants to know of him!|
|Posted by: 21 inf August 24, 2010 06:05 am|
For sure Ursulescu from the pic was a family friend, but unfortunatelly my grandmother who maybe knew him passed away 3 years ago, so any further info is no more available.
|Posted by: contras August 28, 2010 09:09 pm|
|Posted by: dan_531983 October 18, 2010 10:12 am|
| After the end of WW2, Reg. 95 infanterie antiaeriana Turnu Severin.
Reg. de infanterie Alexandria 1919
|Posted by: dan_531983 October 18, 2010 11:53 am|
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|Posted by: Ertogrul October 30, 2010 01:28 pm|
| Could someone help me identify the insignia he is wearing?
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR October 30, 2010 02:43 pm|
| Lieutenant Colonel. Conducator's Bodyguard Cavalry Guard Regiment. Shoulder boards have the rank of Lieutenant Colonel, cavalry button and have the cypher of Marshal Ion Antonescu. Aguilette and collar patches are for Guard Calvary Regiment. The officer wears the General Staff badge and directly below it wears the 1941 Slovakian Campaign badge against the Soviet Union. Badges found awarded to Romanians I have seen had the officers name engraved on the back of the badge. I do not know the circumstances why this regiment was awarded this badge. The officer also wears the 3rd class 1941 Michael the Brave order. So very researchable to ID this officer.
|Posted by: Ertogrul October 30, 2010 02:53 pm|
|I appreciate very much the help. He has the ribbon of the iron cross 2nd class in the button hole, am I right?|
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR October 30, 2010 03:25 pm|
|Yes. I see that. Iron Cross Ribbon|
|Posted by: Victor October 30, 2010 03:35 pm|
While the regiment itself did not see action on the front until the aftermath of 23 August, the regiment's staff could have served in front units throughout the war. In a similar situation were the men of the Horse Guards Regiment.
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR October 31, 2010 12:41 am|
| Romanian troops entered present-day Slovakia on 23 November 1944. These were the 4th Army and the 4th Corps of the 1st Army (the 7th Corps was engaged at Budapest in December - January 1945). The 1st Corps was brought to the front in Slovakia in January 1945.
The 1st Army:
- 4th Corps: 2nd and 3rd Mountain Divisions
- 7th Corps: 2nd, 10th and 19th Infantry Divisions
- reserve: 8th and 9th Cavalry Divisions
This Cavalry Lieutenant Colonel looks like he was with the 8th or 9th Cavalry Division and was awarded the Slovakian Anti-Communist badge for taking part in the fight.
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR October 31, 2010 04:33 pm|
Slovakian Eastern Front Award
The Badge of Honor for service in the Eastern Front
The Slovakian Eastern Front award shown below was issued in two classes: bronze and silver. This honor badge was also rendered to German Nationals and Romanians.
The Slovakians who participated on the Eastern Front were awarded with a bronze or silver campaign badge, which was instituted on 22 April 1942.
The bronze badge pictured above shows a Slovakian Helmet with the date inscribed "22 VI 1941" indicating the date the Slovakian Army participated in the Eastern Front. On the background is a sword crushing the communist symbolic star and the hammer and sickle. The reverse is solid and concave shape. It contains a small pin and catch.
The criteria for these awards were the following classes:
The silver class was awarded for combatants.
The bronze and silver was awarded for support units. This badge has a silver wreath and sword with the remainder in bronze.
The bronze for rear echelon personnel.
|Posted by: Agarici October 31, 2010 06:02 pm|
I guess there must be a mistake. First, the Romanians who fought (alongside with the Soviets) for the liberation of Slovakia in 1944-45 couldn’t have been awarded Slovak anti-communist medals. This must had been an earlier event, and the medal given to the Romanian officer for some reason by the pro-Axis Slovak state during its anti-Soviet campaign. Secondly, I think is was very unlikely for a Romanian officer to continue to wear an anti-communist medal, the Conducator Bodyguard Regiment badge and the Iron Cross ribbon anytime after 23 august 1944.
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR October 31, 2010 10:46 pm|
It appears that the Slovak Anti-Communist badge worn by this officer is in silver for combat. I have seen other badges in collections with Romanian officer names engraved on the back side of the badge also in silver. So what combat operations had taken place between 1941-1944 with combined Slovak and Romanian Troops ?
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR October 31, 2010 11:49 pm|
| In this order of Battle, It mentions that the Romanian 9th Cavalry Division fought with the Slovakian 1st Infantry Division. This could be the reason for this award to a Romanian cavalry officer.
German 17. Armee was formed 20 Dec 1940. The staff was also known as Armeegruppe Ruoff while commanding the Romanian 3rd Army and, at times, the Italian 8a Armata or Armata Italiana in Russia (A.R.M.I.R.) between July 1942 and Sep 1942. The 17. Armee was largely destroyed in the Crimea in May 1944 and reformed shortly thereafter.
Order of battle (26 Dec 1943)
Gruppe General Konrad (XXXXIX. Gebirgs-Armeekorps)
Romanian 10th Infantry Division (most) + Romanian 9th Cavalry Division (part)
Gruppe General Weber (subordinated to Gruppe General Konrad)
Romanian 19th Infantry Division
Romanian 9th Cavalry Division (part)
5. Feld-Division (L) (part)
336. Infanterie-Division (part)
Gruppe Generalleutnant Sixt (subordinated to Gruppe General Konrad)
50. Infanterie-Division (most) + 336. Infanterie-Division (part) + 153. Feldausbildungs-Division (part) + Slovak 1st Infantry Division (part)
Romanian Cavalry Corps
Romanian 9th Cavalry Division (part)
Romanian Mountain Corps
Romanian 1st Mountain Division + Romanian 10th Infantry Division (part)
Romanian 2nd Mountain Division
Roamanian 6th Cavalry Division
98. Infanterie-Division + 50. Infanterie-Division (part)
Romanian 3rd Mountain Division
Gruppe Oberst Krieger
|Posted by: Agarici November 01, 2010 08:38 pm|
| I think the answer could be in the OOB presented by you above.
According to Klaus Schonherr (Luptele Wermachtului in România. 1944), the OOB of South-Ucraine Army Group in the Spring-Summer of 1944 included the Slovak Technical Division, but there are no data about any joint operations with the Romanians (and in particular with Romanian cavalry unit). So, I don’t know how relevant this info could be from our medal’s perspective.
|Posted by: Victor November 02, 2010 06:59 pm|
| That "technical division" were in fact the roughly 700 Slovaks evacuated by the Romanian Navy from Crimea, who were used as a construction unit by the Germans.
The Slovak Fast Division operated also under the command of Army Group South in 1941-42, so it is probably during that time that the collaboration probably occurred. Maybe also during 1943 in the Kuban, but by then the Slovaks had grown weary of war.
|Posted by: KameradSchnürschuh November 06, 2010 05:41 pm|
|and were at least disarmed|
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 08, 2010 12:45 am|
| Here is an interesting Slovakian website that has a connection with the Romanian Royal Guard Cavalry Regiment. This connection is from 1938 and could be linked to why the Royal Guard officer is wearing a 1941 Slovak badge.
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 08, 2010 12:48 am|
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 09, 2010 02:16 am|
Does anyone recognize the sash being worn by the third man ? Looks like the WW1 cross ribbon with colors green and black. I have not seen this sash before.
|Posted by: Alexei2102 November 09, 2010 11:39 am|
|The national tri-color - IMO these are the colors on the sash.|
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 09, 2010 01:49 pm|
|If you enlarge the photo, it appears that the sash is only 2 colors and not 3 and has an outer thin boarder just like a medal ribbon. I have seen the tri-colored sash and it does not have an outer border.|
|Posted by: MMM November 09, 2010 02:28 pm|
|IMHO, there are three colours on the sash, something like 1-2-3-2-1, with the thin stripes on the edge again colour 2. Whatever that means...|
|Posted by: Victor November 23, 2010 06:09 pm|
| This is one of my favorite portraits from my collection:
|Posted by: Dénes November 23, 2010 08:23 pm|
| And here is mine (preferred one for about two years):
|Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 24, 2010 04:06 am|
| I like this photo because I have a black male Great Dane with gray on his nose identical to the one in this photo. My Dane is slightly larger than one pictured at 85kg. When standing, He can put his paws on my shoulders. His name is "Rockford".
|Posted by: 21 inf November 24, 2010 05:28 am|
| Romanian soldiers in ww1. I like the guy in the right side of the pic.
|Posted by: C-2 November 24, 2010 06:31 am|
| I don't like the favorites of Denes and Victor.
|Posted by: Dénes November 24, 2010 06:35 am|
They don't smoke (I see no smoke)! They just put the pipe and cigarette in their mouths to dramatise the picture...
|Posted by: Victor February 16, 2011 07:01 pm|
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Students at the Engineer Officer School at Cotroceni, Bucharest, early 1943, taking advantage of the snow. Who knows how many of them actually made it to the end of the war (they most likely graduated that year). The guy to the far right, in the background, looks a little like Robert de Niro
|Posted by: dragos February 16, 2011 08:32 pm|
So is he preparing to sneak the enemy from behind at night and give him a heart-attack?
|Posted by: Dénes February 16, 2011 08:41 pm|
That's a very humane and eco-friendly way to decimate your enemy.
|Posted by: 21 inf February 16, 2011 08:49 pm|
In ww1 from the romanian side this might have been a good idea, as they were not very well equiped. Do you know the device romanian troopers improvised to sound like a machinegun fire? It was a wooden box whith some mecanism inside and when enemy atacked, romanians started to work on this device, trying to fool the enemy that they pouring machinegun fire
Also, in one case, I readed some many years ago about a romanian pilot who spoted a enemy cannon batery, went back to his lines and asked for bombs or grenades to destroy the enemy batery. He got the answer that there are no bombs or grenades available, so he filled his airplane with so many bricks as he could. He then droped this bricks on enemy artilerymen, who, at least for the moment, took shelter.
|Posted by: Agarici February 16, 2011 11:07 pm|
It was a real thing, presented in an article from “Magazin istoric”. The story was told by the main actor involved, in his recollections. “Bombardamentul cu cărămizi” (the bombardment with bricks) took place during the fightings from Turtucaia, in the Summer/Autumn of 1916. A young Romanian aviator and his observer, with an observation unarmed plane (a Maurice Farman of an earlier model, if I recall correctly) spotted some German or Bulgarian heavy artillery batteries which were bombarding the Romanian positions. In absence of any other means, he landed near a brick factory yard, filled the cockpit with bricks and released them over the cannons. He repeated the action a couple of times, and the artillery had to abandon the position. Apparently the enemy artillerymen thought that the Romanian used a “secret weapon” on them. And secret it was, indeed…
As for the equipment of the Romanian army in WW 1, while in the beginning (1916) it was inferior to virtually that of all/any the opponents, by mid-1917 - as it is clearly and in detail explained by Kiriţescu in his book (and illustrated in many comparative tables) - the situation had changed radically, and it was roughly equivalent to that of the German army, and even slightly superior in some respects (in the endowement with light MGs per number of soldiers, for example). The consequence was obvious and clearly seen in the battles from the 1917 campaign.
ON-TOPIC: I think that device could be a gas-mask of some sort.
|Posted by: 21 inf March 19, 2011 01:21 pm|
|It is a gas mask, ww1.|
|Posted by: Ertogrul September 17, 2011 02:54 pm|
|Posted by: MMM September 17, 2011 02:59 pm|
|Who's that guy supposed to be?!|
|Posted by: Ertogrul September 17, 2011 06:36 pm|
I bought this today in Brasov and there were photos too with this man (I suppose). However I didn't buy a single photo and I couldn't find a name either on them.
|Posted by: Ferdinand October 23, 2011 04:43 pm|
it's this officer here
i bought only this picture. no other info
|Posted by: Ferdinand October 23, 2011 04:53 pm|
| my favorites from my collection
|Posted by: Ferdinand October 23, 2011 09:45 pm|
| died in 1944 , west from Iasi...possible Targu-Frumos
|Posted by: Ferdinand October 23, 2011 09:48 pm|
| in Russia
|Posted by: Ferdinand October 23, 2011 09:50 pm|
| 2 mountain troopers, pics from same album
|Posted by: Florin November 03, 2012 03:02 am|
The Slovaks were also in Caucasus Mountains in 1942. I saw them in German propaganda "news".
|Posted by: Ferdinand December 04, 2012 07:45 pm|
| Gone in ALexei's archive!
|Posted by: Alexei2102 December 04, 2012 08:59 pm|
|Nice portrait. See PM.|
|Posted by: Alexei2102 December 05, 2012 11:59 am|
| One of mine:
|Posted by: ionionescu December 05, 2012 12:13 pm|
Both wear M1934 tunics with M1941 epaulettes, the one to the right is a ”General de brigadă” and the one to the left is a ”Sublocotenent”, medals are, from left to right: Virtutea Militară; Bărbăție și Credință; Eisernes Kreuz II. Klasse; Medaille Winterschlacht im Osten 1941/1942; Cruciada împotriva Comunismului; on the left shoulder he wears a „Furajeră” of one of the following orders his unit was awarded with: Mihai Viteazul, Steaua României, Virtutea Militară and Virtutea Aeronautică.
I guess they are father and son, I read somewhere about a son of a general that fought at Stalingrad as a „sublocotenent” in a artillery unit and he won the Iron Cross, maybe is the one in your photo.
|Posted by: Dénes December 05, 2012 01:19 pm|
Wow! Who are these men, holders of the 'Michael the Brave' Order and the Iron Cross?
P.S. You should put some watermark, or the source on the photo, before it would be copied and posted somewhere else...
|Posted by: Victor December 05, 2012 02:24 pm|
We could narrow down the list, because they seem to be members of the Guard Division. There weren't that many winners of the MV Order from that division because it mostly saw action in 1941.
|Posted by: Ferdinand December 05, 2012 07:48 pm|
| thinking far away...
|Posted by: Ferdinand December 05, 2012 07:54 pm|
| i know it's not a portrait....but is this Jienescu?
|Posted by: Alexei2102 December 06, 2012 12:05 pm|
|Yes, it is Jienescu.|
|Posted by: Ferdinand December 07, 2012 12:38 pm|
| This arrived to me from a friend of mine. If anyone can offer some details about uniform,rank, i'm thanking in advance.
|Posted by: Cantacuzino December 07, 2012 12:52 pm|
|Posted by: Ferdinand December 07, 2012 01:00 pm|
|Posted by: Alexei2102 December 09, 2012 06:23 pm|
Did nobody noticed the weirdest of details in the picture ?
|Posted by: ionionescu December 09, 2012 09:19 pm|
Tell us, what's that?
|Posted by: Alexei2102 December 09, 2012 09:26 pm|
| How come an officer wears awards designed only for soldiers and NCOs >? And no awards fit for Officers ?
Manhood and loyalty and Military Virtue are for soldiers and NCOs.
He wears no Crown or Star of Romania.
Whadda u think >?
|Posted by: horia December 10, 2012 08:13 pm|
| Paul Stefanescu. He's album here
|Posted by: horia December 11, 2012 07:37 pm|
| Any idea who is this guy?