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|Posted by: C-2 July 22, 2006 12:33 pm|
| Today me and my aunt,found some time to look in her father's photos.
All photos I'll post are courtesy of Pacurariu/Onicescu col.
Pacurariu Ioan,son of Gheorghe and Maria.
Born in Micesti county Alba,1897.
Died Bucharest 1994.
Unfortunatly ny aunt and her sister,being girls,were never interested in their father past.
Exept of the fact that he served in the Austro -Hungarian army and was first stationed at Schoneburg(as a part of Franz Josefh personal guard) and later the Italian front and Verdun.
After WW1 he served in the Romanian army,and for a short and misterios period in Maroco and Alger.Then In WW2 he got till the Don.After the Don and Caukaz campain ,he served in Romania in treining and supplay activities.
In 1947 ,he was discharged by the comunists without pension,leaving his family almost in starvation.
Most help will be if,I'll get some info from the photos I'm gonna post.
Info about awards ,places and camarades.
|Posted by: C-2 July 22, 2006 12:34 pm|
A young cadett.
|Posted by: C-2 July 22, 2006 12:38 pm|
|Posted by: C-2 July 22, 2006 12:41 pm|
On the back is written "Back from the Italian front".
Sorry about the poor quality....
|Posted by: C-2 July 22, 2006 12:43 pm|
|Posted by: Carol I July 22, 2006 02:29 pm|
Order of the Star of Romania
Order of the Crown of Romania
Medal of Ferdinand
WWI Commemorative Cross with clasp
WWI Victory Medal
I cannot make out the sixth award and the badge on the chest. Can you please post a close-up?
|Posted by: C-2 July 22, 2006 05:26 pm|
| You just made a draw with Dragos 03.
He said the last may be Medalia comemorativa Carol I 1939.
|Posted by: Dénes July 22, 2006 05:33 pm|
I subscribe to this. I have one hanging on my blueboard, and indeed it looks like that's the one.
|Posted by: Carol I July 22, 2006 05:38 pm|
OK then, it remains the badge on the chest. Can you post a close-up of that one?
|Posted by: Kepi July 22, 2006 06:26 pm|
This is a very interesting theme.
In autumn 1918 on the Western Front fought the 18th A-H Corps which included the 35th KuK Infanterie Division (51, 62, 63 and 64 KuK infantry regiments) composed of Transylvanians.
It’s interesting to note that from the Romanian origin POWs captured in France, just before the Armistice of November 1918, was set up a Romanian Volunteer Corps who was supposed to fight against the Central Powers armies. This corps was integrated in the Foreign Legion and its members were dressed and trained as “Legionaires”. Eventually some of them were sent in Northern Africa (Morocco and Algeria) for training. In summer 1919, these troops (a few thousand men) were sent back to Romania by ships, from Marseille to Constanta. Some of them joined the Romanian army.
|Posted by: dragos03 July 22, 2006 08:10 pm|
|Can you make out what clasp does he have on the WW1 Cross? Is it "1919"?|
|Posted by: C-2 July 23, 2006 04:44 am|
| Well Klemen mentioned this.
Pacurariu,served first at Verdun and then at the Italian front.In 1919 he already was in the Rom. army.He was in N Africa in the middle of the 20's.No one knows for how long.In 25 he got married and in 26 my aunt was born.
It is posib. that anotherincle of my mother. Capt Nistorescu may know more details.The problem is that he's gonna be 92 in Sept,and his memory doesn't get any better.
|Posted by: C-2 July 23, 2006 09:27 pm|
|Posted by: Kepi July 24, 2006 07:04 am|
I found some information concerning Ioan Pacurariu found in different issues of “Anuarul Armatei” (“The Army Yearbook”).
According different issues of this official document, Ioan Pacurariu was born on 19th of May 1893 (the 1926 yearbook) or 19th of November 1898 (according the 1934 yearbook).
He was appointed Second-Lieutenant (in reserve) on 1st of August 1918, probably in the A-H army. The records said that he was transferred in the Romanian army with the same rank on 1st of December 1918 and on the same date he passed in the active service.
On the 15th of October 1922 he was promoted Lieutenant and became Captain on 1st of October 1928.
He was officer in the 91st Infantry Regiment “King Ferdinand” of Alba Iulia, during all that period (until 1934). On the photo he is wearing the regimental badge (and cipher) of this unit.
He is for the last time mentioned in the “Army Yearbook” of 1934 as an active officer. According the next yearbooks (including the 1942) he was not on active service anymore. Maybe he received the rank of Major just before the retirement.
In the photo he wears the open collar tunic adopted in 1934 for service uniform. This tunic (with stiffened removable shoulder straps and brass buttons) was worn until April 1941.
|Posted by: C-2 July 24, 2006 11:18 am|
12 August 1941 Chisinau.
Together with Petrica Lupu.A sheperd from Dolj who had healing powers and was very popular those days.
|Posted by: C-2 July 24, 2006 12:53 pm|
Why he doesn't wear his Austro-Hungarian medals?
Was it forbiden?
|Posted by: Dénes July 24, 2006 01:56 pm|
| I guess for the same reason why Rumanian soldiers didn't wear German awards after the about-face of 23 August 1944.
There must have been a Rumanian law regulating the usage of foreign medals in peace and war.
|Posted by: Carol I July 24, 2006 02:36 pm|
Not only in Romania, but in many other countries as well the custom was and still is that the head of state has to give individual permission to its citizens to wear the foreign awards they received. This custom is only an example of exercising the sovereign prerogatives of an independent nation.
|Posted by: Carol I July 24, 2006 02:42 pm|
Maybe Col. Pacurariu chose not to wear his Austrian awards.
I do not think that it was explicitly forbidden to wear Austrian medals (any info would be most welcome). Take a look at the photo below of Colonel Precup (from http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2450&view=findpost&p=41187) who wears a decoration with a triangular-shaped ribbon, characteristic to the Austrian awards. Since he had served in the Austro-Hungarian air force in WWI it is quite plausible that he was actually wearing an Austrian award while in Romanian uniform.
|Posted by: Dénes July 24, 2006 04:52 pm|
Until we see the medal itself and identify it, the enclosed photo cannot be considered as proof, as many other awards had triangular ribbon.
|Posted by: Carol I July 24, 2006 05:03 pm|
I agree that it is hard to consider the photo as proof, but it is very likely to portray an Austrian award. I know only of Austrian, Bulgarian and Serbian (Yugoslav) awards with triangular ribbons. Do you know more?
|Posted by: C-2 July 24, 2006 08:35 pm|
| I just talked with my aunt,she found a autobiografy of her father.
I'll post them soon.
The corect birth date is 11.Mai 1898.
|Posted by: C-2 July 24, 2006 09:09 pm|
|Posted by: Klemen July 25, 2006 12:09 am|
| Hi C-2!
You have kept your promise! Va multumim frumos!
Now some short comments of mine:
C'mon C-2... Surely you can make better scans of photos of him in his Austro-Hungarian uniform than these...
Kepi is right. In autumn 1918 the Austrian court and high command sent an expeditionary corps (18th Army Corps) under Feldmarschalleutnant Ludwig Goiginger to the Western Front, where it took the sector around Verdun and St. Mihiel. The corps had four divisions (35th k.u.k., 106th k.k. Landsturm, 37th k.k. Honvéd and 1st k.u.k Infantry Division). The 35th k.u.k. Infantry Division under FML. Von Podhoránszky was almost entirely composed of Romanians, Hungarians and Germans from Transylvania. During the 12th Isonzo Battle (The Breakthrough at Karfreit) this division held a sector on the Bainsizza Plateau. The division saw quite heavy battles during the 11th Isonzo Battle, which was also the mostt bloody of all Isonzo Battles.
I wonder, does anyone know perhaps which regiment was Iuliu Maniu in? I beleive he came to the Piave Front in 1918. I am not exactly sure but I think I have read tzhat he had also served in one of these 6-something infantry regiments - 62nd, 63rd or 64th. If this is true than he was probably also shipped to the Western Front in autumn 1918. Has anyone ever seen any evidence of this in his biographies?
There were three ways for Romanian POWs to come to France during WW1. The first was if they served with the 18th k.u.k. Army Corps on the Western Front 1918 and were captured during the final fightings or at the end of the war. The econd possibility was if he was captured by the French troops in Italy 1917-18. During the Asiago Battle in June 1918 the French 23rd and 24rd Infantry Divisions of the 12th French Army Corps. On the opposite side were 38th Honved, 16th Infantry and 42nd Honved Divisions. The lattes was exclusively a Croatian division, while the first and second included a large percentage of Romanian soldiers (IR 52, IR 138, IR 31, HIR 24, HIR 21 and HIR 22). All captured troops were transported to France.
The third possibility was that they came to France as Serbian POWs (taken during Serbia Campaign 1914-15), taken from Albania to Italy and from there to France.
No, I don't think so. I think he first served on the Italian Front and then came to the Western Front at Verdun. Otherwise I doubt he would be in France at the time of the end of the war.
If I will remember I will try to look for his name in the k.u.k. Schematismus List for Year 1918. Then we shall know which regiment he was in.
Looking forward. Do you mean to say by "she found an autobiography of her father" that he has actually written an autobiography about his life and service in the k.u.k. and Romanian Armies?
On the right is the "Karl-Truppen Kreuz" and on the left is most probably (99% sure) the "Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille Kaiser Karl 2. Klasse".
Thank you again for putting his story online, C-2. Excellent work.
|Posted by: C-2 July 25, 2006 05:39 am|
| No I cannot make better scans.....I don't have a scanner ]
I'm using a digital camera.
Anyway when Victor will came I'll ask him to make better photos
Thanks for the identif of th emedals.
In about a week,I'll post his memories.
|Posted by: C-2 July 25, 2006 05:47 am|
1925 Alba Iulia.
His wedding that held almost 70 years....
|Posted by: Klemen July 25, 2006 04:42 pm|
Ding-Dong! The light you are using is not very best. But OK... If you plan to provide us later with real scan, we will be patient these few more days. No problem.
You are welcome.
Please explain me C-2, what do you mean by "his memoires"? Mr. Ioan wrote his memoires after the war? Does he inside also mention any details from his service on the Italian or Western Front 1917-18?
|Posted by: C-2 July 25, 2006 07:29 pm|
| IOan Pacurariu actualy wrote his memories.
His dauthter never knew about it.
After I convinced her to look after "all sort of things",she began finding in the house photo albums,medals ,insigna,and ...his memories.
She never knew those actualy exists.
|Posted by: C-2 July 25, 2006 09:04 pm|
|Posted by: Klemen July 25, 2006 10:18 pm|
C-2: I was hoping and praying you might one day come forward with such splendid news! I am hoping and praying that he included in his memoires also his experieces from WW1 (if so, please try to see if you can find which regiment was he serving in and when did he came to the Italian Front).
BTW: Uniform is not Austro-Hungarian, at least not to my knowledge.
|Posted by: C-2 July 26, 2006 07:38 am|
He did wrote about his bouth WW exp....
In the back of the photo "Back from the Italian front" there may be the name of the unit written.
If not I'll have the memor. next week.
|Posted by: Kepi July 26, 2006 09:50 am|
Captain of an infantry regiment (other than ex- line infantry or ex-dorobantzes regiments) wearing M.1930 ceremonial uniform. This dress was abolished in April 1941.
|Posted by: Kepi July 26, 2006 10:09 am|
Most likely the medal should be a Yugoslav one, as Romania had a very good relation ship with Yugoslavia (former Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenians). Many Romanian officers received Yugoslav orders and medals.
Unfortunately, the relations with Hungary were not so good during the inter wars period, and Austro-Hungarian orders and medals were not supposed to be carried anymore.
|Posted by: C-2 July 26, 2006 10:29 am|
Uniform,medals,can anyone read the text?
|Posted by: Carol I July 26, 2006 10:57 am|
Thanks for shedding some light into the matter. It is however sad that the officers were not allowed to wear their Austrian awards.
|Posted by: Carol I July 26, 2006 11:01 am|
The text reads: "Locotenentului Pacurariu Ion/dragoste camaraderească/Lt Colonel .../5 VII 1923".
The question about the awards in this image must have been a joke.
|Posted by: C-2 July 26, 2006 11:06 am|
Guys like Cipi,can make miracles !
|Posted by: Klemen July 26, 2006 02:05 pm|
| Hi C-2,
I am . I wonder do you know when Mr. Ioan came from Vienna to the frontline in Italy? was this before or after October 1917? This would be nice to know.
Yes, it says Feldpost 617. Feldpost was the field post number of the 35th k.u.k. Infantry Division from August 1917 to October 1918. Which four regiments were in the 35th k.u.k. Infantry Division we have also already said.
|Posted by: C-2 July 27, 2006 12:24 pm|
Another photo "Back from te Italian front".
CAn someone read the back?
Like Denes said It's much better then the front part....
|Posted by: C-2 July 27, 2006 12:27 pm|
|Posted by: Carol I July 27, 2006 12:59 pm|
It reads "Souvenir din ziua de plecare cu 26 lea mars Konigs(?) - 6 I 1917 - I Pecuraru" (Souvenir from the day of departure with the 26th March Konigs(?) - 6 January 1917 - I Pecuraru).
|Posted by: Dénes July 27, 2006 02:52 pm|
| I'd say the last word is Komp. (short of Kompanie)
|Posted by: Carol I July 27, 2006 02:54 pm|
It could be. Thanks Dénes.
|Posted by: Klemen July 27, 2006 03:03 pm|
To update Carol I.'s translation with the missing part:
"Souvenir from the day of the departure with the 26th Marsch-Kompagnie - 6th January 1917"
This means a couple of things:
1.) Our Ioan has probably come to the Italian Front somewhere in late January 1917. Being attached to one of the regiments of the 35th k.u.k. Infantry Division that means he had seen the fighting during the 10th, 11th and 12th Isonzo Battles [URL: http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/isonzo.htm]. The 10th and particularly the 11th Isonzo Battle were the most bloody battles on the Isonzo Front. Italians were never closer (apart during the 6th Isonzo Battle) to break the Austro-Hungarian defence on the Isonzo as during the 11th Isonzo Battle. The Austrians knew that they won't be able to repulse the new such heavy Italian attack, so they asked the germans to help, what resulted in the 12th Isonzo Battle (The Breakthrough at Karfreit/Caporetto/Kobarid"). During the first two battles the 35th k.u.k. Infantrxy Division was in the heart of the action on the Bainsizza plateau, north of Gorizia and south of Tolmein. During the 12th Isonzo Battle the whole Isonzo Armee (including 35th ID) played a limited role as the main poush was north of Bainsizza plateau, where the Germans and Austrian elite mountain units were stationed (mostly Bosnians and Austrians, but also a few mixed units, including from Transilyania, like IV/37 from Oradea or I/33 from Arad).
2.) It proves that Ioan Pecurare went to the Italian Front as a frontline officer and not as staff officer. Being attached to a Marsch-Kompagnie he was most probably an officer in a battalion of his regiment - probably a company or platoon officers, it depends on what rank did he have at that time.
3.) Marsch-Kompagnie = Supplement Company. Every month (or sometime even sooner, it all depended on the ratio of casualties) the regimental supplement battalion (called Ersatz-Batallion) send a supplement company (or some cases even the whole battalion - again it depended how badly annihilated was the regiment) from the home recruiting area to supplemt the regiment's losses and bring it back to full strength.
4.) From what you have told us Ioan was born in the town of Miceşti in the Alba County. I have checked the map of regimental areas of Austro-Hungary in 1914. The map is too general, but from what I could determine I am pretty positive that Ioan Pecuraru served from January 1917 to October 1918 in the 64th k.u.k. Infantry Regiment from Szászváros (Oraştie). I am pretty positive that Miceşti was in the regimental recruiting area of IR64 from Oraştie. The regimental (recruiting) border between IR 64 and IR 31 was going just below Miceşti.
The other two possibilities are IR 31 from Sibiu and IR 50 (Alba Iulia), but none of these two regiments was in the 35th ID, so they are out.
But we will know the definitive answer (I hope) form his memoires.
|Posted by: Kepi July 27, 2006 03:41 pm|
During WW1 every A-H infantry regiment put into the field a so-called march battalion "Marschbataillon", composed of several march companies “Marschkompanien”, to replace the unit losses. At the beginning these march battalions were combined in consecutively numbered march regiments and used as field units. Because they suffered heavy casualities because of lack of training and field experience the AH army HQ decided to use march battalions only as reinforcement for the line units. March battalions and companies were numbered with roman ciphers, but they also bore the number of their parent unit: e.g. the VIII-th march battalion of the 61st infantry regiment.
By wars end, some regiments had forwarded to the front up to 43 march battalions, which however were usually just 2 to 3 companies strong. Not all march battalions were sent to their parent regiment but ended up being divided among other regiments.
The photo caption mentions the 26th (XXVI) march company (“marschkompanie”). I think this is the unit in which Ioan Pacurariu was sent to the front.
|Posted by: C-2 July 27, 2006 05:49 pm|
|Guys you are PRO!!!!|
|Posted by: C-2 July 27, 2006 06:00 pm|
On the photo is written "In Maroc".
|Posted by: Dénes July 27, 2006 07:13 pm|
His signature appears to read "Pecuraru".
|Posted by: C-2 July 27, 2006 07:25 pm|
| Old days names were not always spelled the same.
Ioan Dicesare on some documents is Ion Di-Cesare or Dicezare.
Marinciu is also some times IOn sometimes Ioan.
|Posted by: Dénes July 27, 2006 08:43 pm|
| Yes; however, I believe when talking of your uncle's military career we should respect the spelling he preferred at that time, not the new post-war version.
|Posted by: C-2 July 29, 2006 04:10 pm|
Can you read the text?
|Posted by: Klemen September 03, 2006 09:52 pm|
This postcard was send from Gyulafehervar. Is there any stamp on which indicate the name and the number of his unit?
By the way: C-2, any news about this "beloved" topic of mine? Did you finally find any time to check the newly discovered and non-published memoires of Colonel Pacurariu?
|Posted by: C-2 September 06, 2006 06:35 pm|
| Just came from vacantion...
I have some problems with the net...
And I'll met my aunt next week!
|Posted by: Klemen November 10, 2006 09:06 pm|
C-2: Any news on this front?
|Posted by: C-2 November 12, 2006 06:50 pm|
|On saturday I'll met my aunt....|
|Posted by: Klemen June 25, 2007 07:06 pm|
C-2: Have you been of any luck with your aunt regarding Ioan Pacurariu's memoirs?
|Posted by: C-2 June 26, 2007 05:09 am|
| I did.
I took photos of them with my wife's cell phone,but I don't know why,I cannot downl. them....
|Posted by: Klemen June 26, 2007 03:37 pm|
|I see. So those shots on your cell phone are now lost? I mean you haven't been able to download them on your disc or CDor anything like that, have you?|
|Posted by: C-2 June 26, 2007 08:43 pm|
| They are still in the phone mem.
I think there's a problem with the phone itself.
I'll go one of these days to the service.
|Posted by: Victor June 27, 2007 06:17 am|
|You can put the memory card in another device from which you can download them.|
|Posted by: C-2 June 27, 2007 06:32 pm|
| The sim?
|Posted by: Victor June 28, 2007 06:19 am|
|It depends where does the phone save the images it takes. It can save them in its internal memory, which is the worst case scenario, either in a memory card similar to what some digital cameras use. I am not sure if the the SIM card can be used for such purposes, even the newer versions with higher storage capacity. If the photos are on a memory card you can put it into another device which accepts it and download them from there.|
|Posted by: dragos June 28, 2007 11:15 am|
|You do realize you have lost C-2 here.|
|Posted by: C-2 June 30, 2007 11:29 am|
|Posted by: Klemen July 05, 2007 11:38 pm|
| C-2: Too bad. Is there any chance that in the vlosde future you could repeat your visit by your aun't and reenact the battle with your digital camera and Mr. Ioan's memoirs?
Speaking of which have you paid any attention to Ioan's memoires when taking digital photographs as to read which unit did he serve with and where? Piave perhaps?
|Posted by: C-2 July 06, 2007 06:29 pm|
|I'll pay them a visit soon.|
|Posted by: Klemen July 07, 2007 06:42 pm|
One could hardly make me more happy. Thanks!
|Posted by: CCJ September 05, 2007 12:29 am|
| I have just found and read this thread. I must say I'm very interested to learn more of your family military history.
C-2, I do hope you are able to bring to the forum more facts regarding Col. Pacurariu.
|Posted by: C-2 September 05, 2007 06:30 am|
| Hi CCJ,
It's only a question of time.
Hope it'll be soon.
|Posted by: CCJ May 31, 2008 10:53 pm|
| I'm wonding C-2, have you obtained any new information? I'm extremely interested in this topic.
|Posted by: C-2 June 01, 2008 01:37 pm|
|Unfortunatly,time is not on my side those days....|
|Posted by: Klemen June 07, 2008 09:05 pm|
C'mon C-2... Next July will be two full years since you first talked about Ioan Pacurariu and his service in the k.u.k. Army during Great War 1914-1918. Stop torturing us.
Like Charles I am VERY interested in his story (and his memoires).
|Posted by: C-2 June 07, 2008 09:23 pm|
| Meanwhile I found some new stuff....
See new topic.
Unfortunatly my uncle si hard to find during my free time.
He plays Bridge all the time.
Early morning and afternoon,I cand go there since I have my own obligations.
|Posted by: Klemen June 07, 2008 09:35 pm|
OK, C-2 I believe you, but we are talking here about two full years? That's more than 700 days. Why don't you invite him for a glass of beer a good Cuban cigar. Always worked with my late uncles.
But seriously I would be very interested - and when I say very I mean Very with the capital V - in the war memoires of Ioan Pacurariu during World War I. Romanian WW1 memoires are scarce, but even scarcer are sources about Romanian regiments in the k.u.k. Army.
|Posted by: C-2 June 07, 2008 09:57 pm|
| My uncle is 81 and not driving.
I live 10 km away.
It doesen't seem much,but you can make 5 km in 1 hour here in Buc.
After 4 hours in trafic you need a day off.
I'll solve the problem as soon as I can.
|Posted by: Klemen June 08, 2008 01:00 pm|
I understand all that. I really do. This is precisely one of the reasons why I would like you to hurry up. Many of the children of former veterans from Great War 1914-1918 who keopt the photos and other memorabilia about their fathers are today in their 80s and slowly passing away. Most of their children have no genuie interest in their grandparents stories and often throw away boxes with old diaries, memoires, photos, medals or sell them to some irresponsible collectors.
I have seen here plenty of such cases when their children have simply thrown away boxes with old photographs, diaries, medals and memoires and I always regret not being more passionate in preventing that.. So I am always afraid that any further delay might cause us never to read his story (memoires) of Ioan Pacurariu and for us it will be simply just another interesting story lost and another piece of Romanian history forgotten.
|Posted by: C-2 June 08, 2008 02:45 pm|
| I agree 100%.
Only that my uncle has no children.
So no one to throw away anything!
I'm making now a promise;
Till the end of the month,I'll solve the problem.
|Posted by: Claudiu1988 July 14, 2008 12:01 pm|
|I have a question, does your uncle still have the orders and medals. I would like to see them|
|Posted by: C-2 July 14, 2008 08:11 pm|
| He has them all.Medals riborns diplomas.
Today I found at my other unt home a medal recived by her father in ww`1.
No cell phone with me to tahe photo.
|Posted by: Claudiu1988 July 14, 2008 10:07 pm|
|It's great to hear this, it's amazing to have all the medals and brevets. I hope to see photos soon|
|Posted by: C-2 July 15, 2008 11:21 am|
|Posted by: Klemen July 21, 2008 09:55 pm|
S*rew the medals - unless of course if he was awarded the Golden Bravery Medal (Goldene Tapferkeitsmedaille), the highest Austro-Hungarian bravery decoration. What about his unpublished memoires, C-2?
|Posted by: C-2 July 22, 2008 09:30 am|
| Like I said,
I made photos of them with the cell phone.
Then my son gave a good bath to the cell phone.
Now I have to do it oll over again.
Since I'm soon on vacantion,I'll pay a visit to my uncle in the second part of august.
|Posted by: Klemen November 25, 2008 10:08 pm|
C-2: Any new development on this sector of the front line?
|Posted by: C-2 November 26, 2008 10:28 pm|
| Sorry Klemen....
No time for visiting family members.
Maybee during the hollydays.