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Posted by: Barbosu January 04, 2005 01:02 am
Hi and a happy new year. I need your help, guys, as I'm starting up a research about a pilot from the '40's, related to me.

Please help me with information about romanian pilots resources.

Is there a list of pilot licences from those years somewhere at a Romanian institution?

Many thanks and hope to here from you soon.

Barbosu

Posted by: Dénes January 04, 2005 02:42 am
If you want people to help you with your query, you should give the basic information, as the person's name, date and place of birth, rank and air foce unit he served in (if known), or at least which airplane types did he fly and approx. when.

Gen. Dénes
(another 'barbos')

Posted by: Barbosu January 04, 2005 05:12 pm
Thanks, general. I asked for resources and I would look out myself for the pilot, but thanks again if you are so kind to help me more.

The pilot's name is CHIFULESCU, VIRGIL. According to a source I found, in 1947 he was arested by the new communist power and imprisoned politicaly for many years.
That information I've already had from the pilot's family.

Then, the source gets a little fuzzy. The name there is CHIFULESCU, STELIAN not VIRGIL, also they say he was the official pilot of the Presidency of the Council of Ministers (I think that means the Prime minister cabinet, I am not sure yet) and that he was arrested because he did not dennounced some officials leaving Romania.
There are no other information about the rank and career of CHIFULESCU, VIRGIL. And the source knows only about a two year detention, but in fact he served till '60's (probably 1964).

I don't know if he was a combat pilot at anytime, but I know that he flew in Cekoslovakia at least to find his brother who was fighting in Tatra Mountains with the germans. BTW, "Barbosu" (Bearded) was the code name of this brother who led as a lieutnant a Romanian infantery formation in Tatra Mountains.

Thank you for your help and hope to hear from you soon.

Barbosu

Posted by: Victor January 04, 2005 05:45 pm
Could the name be Chirulescu, instead of Chifulescu?

Posted by: Barbosu January 04, 2005 10:09 pm
Hi Victor. No. CHIFULESCU VIRGIL is the name of the pilot. I am sure about that as my grandfather was his brother ("Barbosu", the brother I was telling you about in a previous message). Unfortunately there are no relatives to tell me the story of my uncle, the pilot and I want to find out everything on him.
Somehow I want to do this for my family but also for the history of that period, because it seems that he had relations with some great personalities of Romania before the communism.

The source I have about the pilot is a dictionary of political prisoners by Cicerone Ionitoiu.

Again, please indicate me some Romanian resources at Aeroclubul Roman or other institutions you know they have archives about the pilots.

Thanks,

Barbosu

Posted by: Dénes January 05, 2005 04:43 am
In my ARR accidents database I found reference to the following airmen called Chifulescu:

plutonier av. Florin Chifulescu (1928-1932),
ofiter echipaj av. Florea Chifulescu (JRS-79B1 pilot, March 1943),
ofiter echipaj av. Ion Chifulescu (Ju 88 pilot, Jan. 1944).

Sorry, no Virgil Chifulescu (which doesn't mean he was not a pilot, though).

Gen. Dénes




Posted by: Victor January 05, 2005 04:30 pm
I asked mr. Dan Antoniu to browse through the list of Romanian pilot's licenses he has and teh search only turned out one result: Florea Chifulescu.

C-2, if you read this, please phone cdor. av. Dragos Stinghe or cdor. av .Ion Morariu and ask them about Virgil Chifulescu. They would probably know something on the post-war civilian aviation.

Posted by: Barbosu January 06, 2005 11:55 am
Thank you all for help.

I found a new source stating that after the war, Chifulescu Virgil had to work as a pilot for the new pro-Moscow government, especially for one of the top officials, communist, Bodnaras, a Moscow man to Bucharest. Then, in 1947, he was contacted by Mr Iuliu Maniu to organise the escape for the liders of the PNT. Some security agent found out about this and Chifulescu got arrested.

It is an interesting and controversial story and as I remember from my family there were some books (military as I recall) printed before 1989 during the communist regime, naming our uncle a "traitor". Those books are lost but I will look for them at the public libraries.

I'll keep looking for the truth.

Barbosu

Posted by: Barbosu January 06, 2005 12:14 pm
!!!!!!!!
I received good news. I finally spoked with one of my relatives after two years and I found out that the full name of my uncle was

CHIFULESCU FLOREA VIRGIL

Also it seems (but my aunt is old and I have to verify her stories) that he was also a war pilot in a bomb squad.

Therefore, please give me what you got on him, gen Denes and Victor.

Thanks,

Barbosu

Posted by: Victor January 07, 2005 08:00 am
According to mr. Dan Antoniu he received the pilot's license no. 423/1 August 1925.

Posted by: Barbosu January 07, 2005 11:08 am
Thank you Victor. I must say that Chifulescu is not very common name and it is almost certain that my uncle was the only Chifulescu in aviation of those times.

I hope that soon enough I will contact a cousin who apparently has a lot of documents of the pilot, like brevets and medals received from Romanian kings and some international awards or participation diplomas, I don't know for sure.

Mr. DENES, if you will have the time, please give me some information on Chifulescu. I repeat, I am sure that Florin, Florea and Virgil, even Ion Chifulescu are the same person. And Stelian as I found in the book of political prisoners.

VICTOR, can I rename the topic in order to include the pilot's name in it? Maybe somebody will see it and have some useful information.

Thank you all for support.

Barbosu

PS. Do you have a club or something were the members of your forum are actually meeting in person, in Bucharest? I hope I will get to know you and be a part of this club if it exists. Thanks.

Posted by: Victor January 07, 2005 11:34 am
Feel free to edit the title as you wish. It is your topic.

Posted by: Barbosu January 07, 2005 02:00 pm
VICTOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE TOPIC! sad.gif
Can you help me?


NEW DETAILS ON CHIFULESCU
I found new details about Chifulescu, this time in cmdor Sorin Tulea's book "Amintiri din razboaie neterminate" (Memories of unfinished wars), Editura Semne, 2003 as I red a fragment of his book in the magazine "Observatorul Militar" nr 26/2003.

In the 30's Chifulescu was an instructor at Mircea Cantacuzino school of flight and he was adjutant sef aviator (1936), second in rank after lt aviator Abeles, the chief instructor of the school. Sorin Tulea sais Chifulescu Virgil was his instructor. Also the women from White sq were there in that period (i.e. Mariana Dragescu in 1934 attended the school).

Then, Tulea meets again Chifulescu in 1940 in Escadrila 73, Flotila 1 Bombardament, (73'rd Squadron, First Bomber Group), located then near IAR Brasov.

I will find the book to read the rest of the story, becauze the fragment ends after Chifulescu took Tulea to fly a Focke Wulf 58 Weihe.

I believe Chifulescu was born in 1903, in Silistea Crucii, in Dolj county.

ARE THERE ANY RECORDS OF HIM AT 1'st Bomber Flotila?

MARIANA DRAGESCU IS STILL ALIVE? Maybe someone can help me to meet her if possible.

Hope to hear soon from you all.

Barbosu

Posted by: dragos January 07, 2005 02:07 pm
QUOTE (Barbosu @ Jan 7 2005, 05:00 PM)
VICTOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE TOPIC! sad.gif

Simply edit the first message of the topic and change the topic title.

Posted by: C-2 January 07, 2005 07:40 pm
Maybee you should call Sorin Tulea and ask!

Posted by: Barbosu January 08, 2005 10:30 am
1. That is what I'll do, thanks C-2. I will look for Mr. Tulea. ANYBODY has contact information for SORIN TULEA?

2. GEN Denes,

Only you can help me: could you please post me what you have on Chifulescu Florea (or Florin or Ion)? As I posted earlier in this topic, I strongly believe that there was only one Chifulescu pilot for AAR.

As from the information I have now (from you, Victor, Sorin Tulea's book and others), I can put together this career:

Chifulescu Florea Virgil

1925 - pilot license no. 423/1 August 1925 - source Victor (from Dan Antoniu)
1928-1932 - plutonier av. - source Denes
1936 - adj. sef av., flight instructor at "Mircea Cantacuzino" school - source Sorin Tulea
1940 - ? (rank), Escadrila 73, First Bomber Flotila - source Sorin Tulea
1943, March - of. ech. av.; JRS-79B1 - accident? - source Denes
1944, Jan - of. ech. av.; JU 88 - accident? - source Denes
1947 - pilot to the Ministers Council's Presidency; politicaly arrested by communists. - source family and Cicerone Ionitoiu's dictionary of communism victims.
60's - liberated from the communist prisons - family sources


Barbosu

Posted by: Barbosu January 08, 2005 11:28 am
Thanks for changing the title, admins.

Posted by: C-2 January 08, 2005 07:29 pm
I can talk with Tulea..
Only he doesn't hear well...
I asked Dragos Stinghe,and he said there was a Chifulescu at the "Statul Major A Aviatiei" after 45, and he was in a scandal involved ,only that those days nobody knew much.

Posted by: Barbosu January 08, 2005 11:26 pm
C-2, please tell Mr. Tulea that I am the nephew of Chifulescu Virgil, his trainer, and I want to meet him if he is so kind to accept.

As for Mr Dragos Stinghe, please ask him if he remembers anything else about Chifulescu I would be much obliged if he would share with me this memories.

The scandal he remembers could be related to the conspiracy of Tamadau, when the liders of PNT were arrested. Chifulescu was arrested too.

Please give me a sign after you speak with Mr. Tulea.


Many thanks,
Barbosu

Posted by: Dénes January 09, 2005 05:44 pm
Sorry, Barbosu, for the late reply to your request, but I was - and still am - very busy with a project.

Here is the detailed info on Chifulescu I have in my ARR accident database:

Date Type Nr. Unit Crew Place Cause Notes Source
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Oct-1928 Nieuport+ plut. Florin Chifulescu Pipera a/f acc. av. intrat vrie la 600 m, pilotul sarit cu parasuta


May-1931 DH-60 Moth+ plut. Florea Chifulescu, (pasager mort)+ Baneasa a/f acc. Av. intrat in vrie la joasa inaltime, cazut


Nov-1932 ?+ plut. Florea Chifulescu Herastrau acc. sarit cu parasuta [Lloyd’s Accidents via V. Smith ]


Mar-1943 Savoia JRS-79B1 Comisia supraveghere Uzina IAR pil. of. echip. Florea Chifulescu Popesti-Leordeni aer. acc. [Arhive 2004]


Jan-1944 Ju 88A+ Gr. 5 bomb. Esc. 77 bomb. of.ech.III pil. Ion Chifulescu, slt.obs. Gh. Mazilu, smstr.2 rtg. Marin Paun, serg.mitr. Alex. Vicol Petrovskoje NW aca Alta data ian. 27. Cal. mic, ambele mot. gripate, AF 45 km de front, toti OK [JurnOp StMA]

So, apparently he had an eventful pilot's career.

I hope the above information help your research on your relative.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Barbosu January 09, 2005 07:02 pm
Thank you gen Denes!!! I waited those info with great interest as I was sure they will be very important.

The accident with Savoya confirmed me another story from the family saying that he was the test pilot for this tipe of plane in Romania and (or) also brought them from Italy. (Savoya were brought by air or assembled at IAR?).

I will try to find the accident in the newspapers of those times, maybe some photos.

Arhive 2004 - it's a magazine? or Arhivele from Pitesti?

JurnOp StMA - Jurnalul operativ Statul Major al Aerului?

Thanks again and I'll be happy if you will find any other info, of course, when you wll have the time.

Barbosu

Posted by: Dénes January 09, 2005 07:14 pm
QUOTE (Barbosu @ Jan 10 2005, 01:02 AM)
Arhive 2004 - it's a magazine? or Arhivele from Pitesti?

JurnOp StMA - Jurnalul operativ Statul Major al Aerului?

Yes, 'Arhiva' is the Military Archive and JurnOp StMA is the Air Force's Headquarters' Combat Diary.

QUOTE
I will try to find the accident in the newspapers of those times, maybe some photos.


Yes, please do so and keep us informed of what you've found.

I am afraid the above information is all I have readily available.

Gen. Dénes


Posted by: Barbosu January 09, 2005 07:32 pm
1. Are the Military Archives easily to study, at Pitesti?

It is in my intention to make a trip there (next month I hope).

I have my grandfather (infantery lt) and two of his brothers (tanks and artilery if I remember well) to look for as well as another uncle, apparently decorated with Mihai Viteazul, from the cavalery.


2. Did anyone try some military libraies from Bucharest? Like the one from Casa Cenrala a Armatei (Army Central Club)?

3. If anyone can point me to any source I will search for items interesting you too, not only for my uncle.

As I told you, I'll go search some collections of newspapers. I hope that will be this week.
So, if you want me to search a subject please feel free to ask me.

Barbosu


Posted by: C-2 January 09, 2005 07:39 pm
Tulea is baring living.
I don't think he'll met even me(recomanded by his best friend-Dan Stoian).
But I'll try to call him.

Posted by: Victor January 09, 2005 07:40 pm
QUOTE (Barbosu @ Jan 9 2005, 09:32 PM)
another uncle, apparently decorated with Mihai Viteazul, from the cavalery.

What was his name?

Posted by: C-2 January 09, 2005 07:47 pm
Stinghe just called and said that Chifulescu was testing twin eangine airplanes at IAR barasov ,together with Dudu Frim.

Posted by: Barbosu January 09, 2005 08:35 pm
Thanks C-2. Maybe the memory of the Chifulescu that he apparently respected very much (as I understand from his book) will make TULEA see me. I am a discreet and respectful person and I will not "shake" him very hard.


And Victor, about the medals:

1. MOISESCU ION - was (I am not sure yet) Cavalery Colonel and apparently decorated with "Mihai Viteazu". I must find the medal and brevet at my parents home. He also was detained as political prisoner by the communists.

In fact the majority of the good military officers Romania had were persecuted by communists as they pushed up their men of a less value.

2. Lt. CHIFULESCU MIRCEA (my grandfather) - Knight of the Crown of Romania Order with military virtue ribbon (Ordinul Coroana Romaniei in grad de cavaler cu spade si panglica de virtute militara) (Brevet signed by King Michael on 10 June 1945)
He was a lt. in Reg. 31 Dorobanti and received this medal for front deeds "against german-hungarian forces". He also has a Steaua Romaniei but I have no details yet.

Barbosu

Posted by: Victor January 09, 2005 08:59 pm
QUOTE (Barbosu @ Jan 9 2005, 10:35 PM)
And Victor, about the medals:

1. MOISESCU ION - was (I am not sure yet) Cavalery Colonel and apparently decorated with "Mihai Viteazu". I must find the medal and brevet at my parents home. He also was detained as political prisoner by the communists

Maj. Ioan Moisescu, from the 94th Infantry Regiment, was awarded the Mihai Viteazul Order with swords 3rd class for the actions during the crossing of the Tsiza River in late 1944, by Royal Decree No. 506/21 February 1945. He wasn't in the cavalry then, but in the 19th Infantry Division.

Posted by: Barbosu January 09, 2005 09:45 pm
Thanks Victor.

I forgot to look on the list of braves decorated with Mihai Viteazu, from your site. It seems you have the text of the brevet also, explaining the deeds of the officer awarded.

But was there ever a detailed description of the deeds awarded? I mean for every officer awarded were there some documents describing the situation he faced and in detail?

OK, Moisescu or, let's say Cantacuzino, because this is a ARR forum, was rewarded with Mihai Viteazu medal. Can we know what he did for that except of brief description on the brevet of decoration?

Maybe on the Day Order (Ordinul de zi) of his unit?

Barbosu

Posted by: Victor January 10, 2005 07:12 am
The motives are listed in each proposal for award by the superior commander of the officer. They are also listed on the award license itself. Sometimes, the full text is also published in the Monitorul Oficial, but that was the case for 1941-42. Already in 1944-45, only a sentence that explained the actions was published in the MO.

Posted by: Victor January 10, 2005 03:19 pm
Thanks to Andrey's questions in another topic on this forum, I have come across a mention of of. ec. Florea Chifulescu in the 5th Bomber Group in 1943.
In August 1943, of. ec. Chifulescu was on the front in the Ukraine with the 77th Bomber Squadron/5th Bomber Group, flying on Ju-88A-4s.

On 7 December 1943, he was flying a/c no. 125 in a mission to bomb the village and beach of Ribaltshe. His aircraft had problems with the right engine. He dropped the unarmed bombs over friendly territory and returned to base with only one engine andlanded safely. At the end of the month he was awarded the Virtutea Aeronautica Order Gold Cross class.

On 10 January 1944 (the incident also mentioned by Denes probably), during the bombing of Soviet forces in the Tretiakovo Valley, the JU-88A-4 no. 116A flown by of. ec. Florea Chifulescu, with slt. av. Gheorghe Mazilu as observer, was hit by enemy AAA and the radiators on both engines were damaged. He managed to recover from the dive and head back to base, under the escort of two Romanian Bf-109Gs, one apparently flown by lt. av. Ioan Dobran. He eventually managed to make a belly landing near Apostolovo. The crew, without a scratch due to the perfect landing, took out the machine-guns, the map and the parachutes and with a German car and then by train they arrived at Nikolaev the following day.

Florea Chifulescu doesn't show in the pilot rooster of the 5th Bomber Group in September 1944, after reorganization, so I take it he was reassigned.

C-2, if you read this, phone mr. Stoian and, if you are able to make him hear you, ask him about Chifulescu. They were even in the same squadron! Apparently on 10 January 1944, Stoian also volunteered for this mission and Chifulescu told him not to try to become a hero and let him go instead. When he returned the next day, he told Stoian that he should have come, as he was curious to see him carry the damn machine-gun all that distance.

Barbosu, if you have some biographical data on Florea Chifulescu (date&place of birth/death, awards), photos etc. we can add him to the http://www.worldwar2.ro/arr/pilots.htm list on the website. What do you think?

Posted by: C-2 January 10, 2005 06:58 pm
Victor ,It's no longer posible talking Mr Stoian on the phone.
He's in good shape but almost totaly deaf.
You can make him a visit!

Posted by: Barbosu January 10, 2005 09:48 pm
Dear friends,

Long live the forum!!!

1. I am totaly happy with your last message Victor. I don't know what to say except for a big THANK YOU! I am very proud of my uncle and I think all of us, the "nephews", should be proud of their family war heroes. Especially for the ones with heroic deeds in the war against USSR, because they were forgotten and persecuted for decades by the communism (read also paragraph 3. please)

2. Thank you for your kind offer to put my uncle in the Pilots section and yes, I will be proud to see him there, along to the other great Romanian airmen.
I will try to get as soon as possible the pictures we have with him in the family and the brevets of his decorations (they exist at one of my cousins outside Bucharest).

Also, I hope I'll get other information researching some collections of magazines and newspaper from 1925 to 1945. I think that it's good to research the press looking for stories, because they must be longer and more colourful than the reports from the Statul Major al Aerului.

3. I am very sad. Today I walked in more then 15 book shops and antiquaries and found nothing on ARR!! Two exceptions, I'm not very happy about them:
- "The History of Romanian Aviation" (Editura Stiintifica si Enciclopedica -1984)
- "The Sky Amazons", by Victor Firoiu (Editura Albatros - 1980).

Why I'm not happy about them? Because they are in the best case censored, if not severely incomplete.

Of course, I am subjective: if Chifulescu's name is not there, it's incomplete, but take the example of Cantacuzino who was the ace of aces in ARR, but against the USSR and also defected from Romania. You will find him mentioned only as an aerobatic pilot and a little in the battles after 23 august 1944.

ANYONE TELL ME SOME BOOKS TO LOOK FOR!!!


CONCLUSION

- ARR is practicaly unknown for the great public, with the exception of some enthusiasts like you or relatives of the pilots.

- Please start to think of a conjugated action of the members of this forum and other clubs etc to collect information. I am a volunteer and you can totally count on me.
Of course, you have a lot of data and interviews, but as Denes (I think) said, you should hurry with the interviews!!!

Let's think about a way to act together in this matter.

And, I think the problem with the number of ARR veterans capable to give information is accute, but also for the army in general will be soon.

I have to say that for me is very important to find out the truth about the history pre-23 august. I was raised learning what communists offered me and that is very very far to be enough.

SORRY I GOT SO OFFICIAL!!!!

But I am very angry after my experience in the book stores. I am also very angry that I didn't have the time and determination to start the research in the early 90's as I wanted, when so more veterans were alive!! (But there was no internet).

Barbosu
Proud Romanian "Nephew"
biggrin.gif

Posted by: Dénes January 10, 2005 10:14 pm
Currently, the only Rumanian publisher who publishes books on aviation, on a regular basis, is Modelism Int'l, in Bucharest.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Barbosu January 11, 2005 03:05 pm
- Denes, your books are available in Romania?

- Chifulescu was a few years instructor at "Mircea Cantacuzino" School of Flight. Are there resources about this school?? (He was there in 1936 for example)

- I found in some other topics some books. Perhaps "Pumnul tarii" mention him

- Victor, you have astonishing details. Are they from interviews or books?!

- Istoria Aviatiei Romane is worthless regarding pre-23 aug. 1944 war. Not a single word. Instead, there are tens of pages about the PCR (Communist Party) in the ARR!!!! mad.gif wacko.gif mad.gif (the authors mention that there were three communist cells of 2-3 men in ARR) laugh.gif laugh.gif

- From Modelism I'm interested first in some CD's first, those with the collections of "Magazin Aeronautic" and "Aripi Romanesti". Are they a good resource??

Barbosu

Posted by: alexkdl January 11, 2005 03:13 pm
Barbosu

I red the posted messages regarding your family member and its an other piece of history you can add to this forum but also an other reflection of bravery of ARR Pilot in the WWII . By reviewing Denes and Victor concluding researches on the past flying time of your uncle, allow me to add that given the numerous bailouts he must have received somewhere sometime the golden silkwurm pin of MARTIN BAKER ,UK , who used to manufacture at that time the parachutes supplied to ARR prior WWII .....during the WWII I am not aware what kind of parachues were used by ARR. The golden silkwurm ( 48 karates) pin is awarded till today to every airman who bailed out with or without ejection when emergecy eggressed . Finally like anyone on this forum I look forward to see the photos posted at the pilot section....btw except your nickname can you reveal your first name or ist it a military secret ?

Al

Posted by: Dénes January 11, 2005 03:24 pm
QUOTE (alexkdl @ Jan 11 2005, 09:13 PM)
By reviewing Denes and Victor concluding researches on the past flying time of your uncle, allow me to add that given the numerous bailouts he must have received somewhere sometime the golden silkwurm pin of MARTIN BAKER ,UK , who used to manufacture at that time the parachutes supplied to ARR prior WWII

IIRC, one of the most used parachute types by Rumanian pre-war airmen was Heinecke (not Heineken biggrin.gif ).
During the war, the I.R.V.I.N. type parachute was mainly used (also manufactured under licence in Rumania). German airplane types were probably shipped with a set of German parachutes.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Dénes January 11, 2005 03:27 pm
QUOTE (Barbosu @ Jan 11 2005, 09:05 PM)
Denes, your books are available in Romania?

No. I know of no-one who imports them.
Anyhow, they are mainly intended for readers outside Rumania.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: alexkdl January 11, 2005 03:49 pm
Denes , yes I know Heinecke Fallschirme Gsl and I also know that Ballon Farbrik Augsburg also manufactured for Luftwaffe and the axis German aircraft operators parachutes and life jackets .....though the Roumanian Hurricane and rest of the non German were equipped most of them with Martin Baker parachutes....
Alex

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Posted by: Barbosu January 11, 2005 04:00 pm



About the bailings:

- Maybe Denes could you tell me what kind of Nieuport he was driving in 1928?

- And please, maybe anyone have answers for the questions in my previous posts.


Barbosu

Posted by: Victor January 11, 2005 04:33 pm
QUOTE (Barbosu @ Jan 11 2005, 05:05 PM)
- I found in some other topics some books. Perhaps "Pumnul tarii" mention him

- Victor, you have astonishing details. Are they from interviews or books?

The book you mentioned, dedicated to the 6th Bomber Group in 1943 and 5th Bomber Group in 1943-45, is the source for the two incidents with your uncle.

Alex, please create a new topic for the question related to the 42/52nd Fighter Squadron.

Posted by: alexkdl January 11, 2005 04:48 pm
OK will do Victor

Posted by: Barbosu January 11, 2005 05:38 pm
1. Please anyone post photos of 5-th BG in 1943-1944

Especially 77-th sqd if possible.

2. Victor, in the "Units" section of the site there is no 73 sqd from Flotila 1 Bombardament. Sorin Tulea mention this sqd as his first squad, in May 1940.

3. Where can I find details about reorganisations of ARR in WWII?

Barbosu

Posted by: Barbosu January 12, 2005 07:53 pm
C-2, Victor,

Please, Can you reach Mr. Dan Stoian or Sorin Tulea, please, so I can continue my research on Chifulescu?

Or Di Cesare, Stinghe, anybody!

Many thanks,

Barbosu

PS Please read the previous post too

Posted by: Victor January 12, 2005 08:53 pm
QUOTE (Barbosu @ Jan 11 2005, 07:38 PM)
2. Victor, in the "Units" section of the site there is no 73 sqd from Flotila 1 Bombardament. Sorin Tulea mention this sqd as his first squad, in May 1940.

The 73rd Bomber Squadron was equipped with P.23Bs during the 1941-42 campaigns and then with Ju-87Ds during 1943-44. It was part of the 6th Bomber Group and then of the 3rd Light Bomber Group.

Where you able to find documents from your uncle. If you manage to find his flight books (carnetele de zbor) you will find out everything you want to know about him and the units he was assigned to during his long career.

Posted by: Barbosu January 12, 2005 10:51 pm
I have to travel outside Bucharest to get the remaining documents and I did not have the time to do that.

ABOUT 73rd BSqd. According to the campaigns section of your site:

IN 1941 there was no 73rd B sqd! That was my question!

IN MAY 1940 it was part of Flotila 1 Bombardament

QUOTE (about Flotila 1 Bombardament) from Sorin Tulea's book:

"...may 1940...

One could admire airplanes like: french (Potez 54, Potez 651, Potez 63, Bloch 210 “Verdun”), english (Bristol Blenheim MK1), polish (P.Z.L. 38 „Los“), italian (Savoia Marchetti 79 cool.gif, german (Heinkel 111 H3, Foke Wulf 58 „Weihe“), american (Fleet F 10G), and, of course, romanian (Set 7 K).
.............

In that period, the 73rd squad was flying 9 Savoia Marcheti, 2 Foke Wulf, 2 SET 7K and 3 Fleet F 10G."

In the campaigns section I find the 73-rd only in july 1941. That means that it did not fight until that date?

Thank you,

Barbosu

Posted by: Victor January 13, 2005 07:42 am
QUOTE (Barbosu @ Jan 13 2005, 12:51 AM)
In the campaigns section I find the 73-rd only in july 1941. That means that it did not fight until that date?

Thank you,

Barbosu

Yes. From what I understand, the 73rd initially used the P.23Bs as trainers and it was not intended to use them in combat, but because the front needed more aircraft they eventually ended up flying these aircraft in combat and even achieved some notable successes.

Posted by: Barbosu January 19, 2005 02:02 pm
I need your help again, please.

1. Does anybody has info on 5th BG before '43? (Pilot rosters if I am lucky!) As I know, in '41-'42 5th BG was famous flying on He 111 H3.

2. Or anything about Flotila 1 bombardament Brasov in '41 and '42 campaigns

3. Where can I buy Sorin Tulea's book (Amintiri din razboaie neterminate - Memories of unfinished wars)?

4. Did you ever had a topic on "Mircea Cantacuzino" school? A lot of good war pilots were there first, like Buzu Cantacuzino, Sorin Tulea, Mariana Dragescu and almost entire White Squadron, also other pilot heroes of Romanian aviation with international records and raids. Unfortunately, I have only few info on this school.
My interest is obvious as Chifulescu was instructor at this school.
If there was no topic on this, I'll start one if it's ok with you, admins. Thanks.

I know only what he did in war in 43-44. Nothing about him before august '43 or after september '44.

Many thanks everybody
Barbosu


PS.
I red Dan Stoian 's book (Pumnul tarii - The fist of the country) since I have not posted on this topic.

Chifulescu is mentioned by Stoian:

as Victor already posted, there were two difficult situations in which he proved his experience, skills and courage, once saving both the plane and creww and another time saving his crew.

Chifulescu was decorated with Virtutea aeronautica, Iron Cross (cl II) and Coroana Romaniei. Maybe he had other decorations before 1943, when Stoian came to the 5'th BG.

He was at least 15 years older than Stoian and probably he was not among Stoian closest friends so he is not in a single photo in the book. I hope I will receive in a few days some photos of him.

Posted by: Victor January 19, 2005 08:04 pm
He wasn't in the 5th Bomber Group or the 73rd Bomber Squadron during 1941. As I siad before, try to locate his flight books, which will answer all your questions.

Posted by: Barbosu February 16, 2005 11:12 pm
Hi everyone. Long time no see. Happy to write again on the forum.

tongue.gif Alex, remember you said Chifulescu should be decorated by the parachute maker because of his many jumps for his life?

laugh.gif I found in a book that he was the first Romanian pilot to jump with the parachute to save his life, in 1928, when his SPADE fighter burst into flames. (According to Denes, he was flying a Nieuport in 1928, when the accident occured).

Well, I bought - not so enthusiast - a book I was almost 100% sure I'll never find something on him in it. But, in general, the book could be another source on the history of Romanian aviation. Now the more I read it the more I apreciate the work of comandor ® Aurel Pruia, comandor ® Ioan Morariu and ing. av. Bogdan Pruia.

The book is "A century of Romanian Aeronautics" (Un secol de aeronautica romaneasca - 1999). In fact the book is a timeline pointing events in the history of Romanian aviation, with short stories on each event.

PS PLEASE, Anyone knows WHERE I CAN FIND SORIN TULEA'S BOOK? (Amintiri din razboaie neterminate - Memories from unfinished wars)


Posted by: alexkdl February 16, 2005 11:43 pm
Barbosu

Yes indeed...I said so provided that the bailling out crew or pilot used British chutes....since WWII and as of date of today, MARTIN BAKER AIRCRAFT manufacturer of the ejection seats of modern military jets and in WWII manufacturer of emergency seat type parachutes as well escape chute would award any airman who used the chute for saving his life a golden silk worm pin...featuring the silk warm from which the canopies fabric were made of in wwii...if your uncles jumpped out of a UK manufactered aircraft ,I presume there was UK parachute used on board, so he had one or would be entitled for one if he didnt claim it ...otherwise it would be a German type.......which won't entitle him for the MB award ...I hope you will locate some photos and medals of your uncles and post some photos on here

Best Regards
Alex

Posted by: Dénes February 17, 2005 03:38 am
QUOTE (Barbosu @ Feb 17 2005, 05:12 AM)
I found in a book that he was the first Romanian pilot to jump with the parachute to save his life, in 1928, when his SPADE fighter burst into flames. (According to Denes, he was flying a Nieuport in 1928, when the accident occured).

Actually, in my files it is mentioned that Plut. av. Florin Chifulescu used his parachute twice in 1928, that could be the source of discrepancy.

BTW, the book you mentioned is full with errors, so I wouldn't consider it as a very reliable source.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: C-2 October 05, 2005 06:00 pm
http://imageshack.us
Florea Chifulescu on the right.
Courtesy Dr Serban Dutescu.

Acording to Sorin Tulea,Chifulescu's bomber (Los) lost bouth eangines,and landed on the "mosie" of a rich "Boier".The bOier had a very "special" dauther .
Chifulescu married her....

Posted by: C-2 October 05, 2005 06:02 pm
Acording to Sorin Tulea's book,
Once Chifulescu took a young student as a pasanger.
The student was crazy,and wanted to commit suicide because of some girl...
As a resuld,the student died ,the plane was total lost and Chifulescu broke bouth legs.

Posted by: Carol I October 09, 2005 09:01 am
QUOTE (C-2 @ Oct 5 2005, 07:02 PM)
Acording to Sorin Tulea's book,
Once Chifulescu took a young student as a pasanger.
The student was crazy,and wanted to commit suicide because of some girl...
As a resuld,the student died ,the plane was total lost and Chifulescu broke bouth legs.

QUOTE (Dénes @ Jan 9 2005, 06:44 PM)
May-1931 DH-60 Moth+  plut. Florea Chifulescu, (pasager mort)+ Baneasa a/f acc. Av. intrat in vrie la joasa inaltime, cazut


Could it be one and the same incident?

Posted by: Dénes October 09, 2005 02:18 pm
Could very well be. Nice catch.
I will be able to tell you more as soon as I'll have the chance to read Tulea's book.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: C-2 October 09, 2005 03:00 pm
Chifulescu ,had a lot of luck;
When the student blocked the controls and went into a dive,Chifulescu took a fire extinctor,and gave him a blow to the head.The crazy guy went unconstient and Chifulescu was able to stop the sharp dive,but not totaly....
We all know the resulkts.
It was a very interesting person that Chifulescu.

Posted by: C-2 October 09, 2005 06:11 pm
http://imageshack.us
A better photo with Virgil Chifulescu.

Posted by: C-2 January 04, 2006 07:25 pm
On the way back from a bombing mission,Virgil Chifulescu's plane (Karas?) got into serios problems,and had to make a force landing.
He landed in a certain "Mosie",where the "Boier" had a very beautiful and special dauther.
In very short time,VC married her...

Posted by: Victor January 04, 2006 08:12 pm
Not Karas (P.23), but Los (P.37)

Posted by: Carol I January 04, 2006 08:32 pm
QUOTE (C-2 @ Oct 5 2005, 07:00 PM)
Acording to Sorin Tulea,Chifulescu's bomber (Los) lost bouth eangines,and landed on the  "mosie" of a rich "Boier".The bOier had a very "special" dauther .
Chifulescu married her....

QUOTE (C-2 @ Jan 4 2006, 08:25 PM)
On the way back from a bombing mission,Virgil Chifulescu's plane (Karas?) got into serios problems,and had to make a force landing.
He landed in a certain "Mosie",where the "Boier" had a very beautiful and special dauther.
In very short time,VC married her...

So, was it a Los or a Karas? wink.gif

Posted by: C-2 January 05, 2006 07:23 am
You'll see that on the second post I put a ?.Mark.
Like I wrote first time,and like Victor added,it was a LOS.

Posted by: Carol I January 05, 2006 08:24 pm
QUOTE (C-2 @ Jan 5 2006, 08:23 AM)
You'll see that on the second post I put a ?.Mark.
Like I wrote first time,and like Victor added,it was a LOS.

I thought the second post was an update. As such, the question mark was quite misleading. wink.gif

Posted by: Mihai Popteanu January 17, 2013 08:00 pm
A very good article about OFITER ECHIPAJ CLASA 3-A FLOREA CHIFULESCU was written by Dan Giju in Historia magazine from January 2013.

http://www.historia.ro/numar/historia-nr-132-ianuarie-2013#

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