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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 05:09 am
I want to start this topic for any kind of informations and pictures regarding romanian AA defence sistem used in WWII.

Enemy detection devices.

1. Radar detecting device . ( All pictures courtesy Dan Melinte).

Wurzburg FuSe 62, manned be romanian AA crew.
In 1944 romanians AA regiments had 18 Wurzburgs : 8 around Bucharest , 3 near Constanta, 2 at Cernavoda bridge, and 5 around Ploesti.
( Germans AA in Romania had 24 Wurzburg). Info from "Dosarele Istoriei" nr 9, 2001 author Valeriu Avram.

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 05:18 am
2. " Post de panda" all day watch for enemy in the air .


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 05:19 am
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. " Post de panda" all day watch for enemy in the air .


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 05:21 am
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" Post de panda" all day watch for enemy in the air


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 05:23 am
Enemy sighted.
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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 05:24 am
alarm call

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 05:28 am
AA Headquarter.

Cheking the posible enemy target.

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 05:29 am
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Cheking the posible enemy target.


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 05:33 am
Target indentified . The AA staff should take very quick a decision.
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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 05:35 am
AA units alerted

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 05:37 am
Horn alarm

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 09:36 am
2. Romanian AA weapons.

In summer '44 the homeland was defended by 154 rom. AA batteries (20mm to 88 mm guns) and 60 german AA batteries. Around Ploesti were 83 AA batteries ( 45 of them were german). Around Bucharest were 52 AA batteries. Other villages AA defended were : Constanta-Fetesti 25 batteries, Brasov 13 batteries, Resita 12 batteries, Focsani 11 batteries, Galati 10 batteries, Hunedoara 8 batteries, Giurgiu 3 batteries. Source : "AMR, Fond MtSM, Jurnalul de operatii al comandamentului artileriei AA ,dosar 28, f.157".
The bigest AA guns used for defence were 128 mm ( 7 german batteries on railroads) and 105 mm ( 10 batteries) with shooting height up to 9000m.

Romanian manned AA guns mostly used were: 88 mm Krupp, 75mm Vickers, 37mm Reihnmetall, 20mm Gustloff. The fire controll sistem were romanian built "Bungescu ( for 75mm Vickers) and german Kapagerat-40 ( source :Valeriu Avram-Dosarele Istoriei).


Below romanian licence built Vickers 75mm ( Resita factory).

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 09:40 am
AA crew working on "Bungescu" fire controll sistem. ( note the Adrian helmets widely used by AA crewmen)

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 09:45 am
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AA crew working on "Bungescu" fire controll sistem.

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 09:49 am
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AA crew working on "Bungescu" fire controll sistem.

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 09:52 am
75 mm Vickers in action
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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 09:55 am
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75 mm Vickers in action


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 09:58 am
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75 mm Vickers in action


75mm munitions

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 10:02 am
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75 mm Vickers in action


Camouflaged 75mm AA guns serching for enemy in the sky ( near Bucharest).


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 10:05 am
More details for 75mm Vickers gun and Bungescu sistem at the link below
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=336

Posted by: dragos03 October 03, 2005 10:16 am
Great pics! Are these stills from a movie?

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 10:17 am
88 mm Krupp .


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 10:19 am
88 mm in action.

More details for 88mm AA gun could be found at link below
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=338

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 10:23 am
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Great pics! Are these stills from a movie?

Yes. smile.gif

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 10:32 am
Portable "Telemetru - Baza 1 metru ", fire distance measuring device used for 20mm to 37mm guns.

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 10:38 am
Big telemetru " Baza 3 metri " used for 75mm and 88 mm.


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 10:40 am
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Big "telemetru" used for 75mm and 88 mm




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Posted by: Iamandi October 03, 2005 11:29 am
There are "baza 1 metru" and "baza 3 metri"?

Iama

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 11:34 am
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There are "baza 1 metru" and "baza 3 metri"?

Iama


Thanks for info Iama.

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 11:49 am
37mm Reihnmetall manned by rom.crew
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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 11:54 am
37 mm AA in action

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 11:57 am
More details for 37mm Reihnmetall at link below.
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=333

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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 12:05 pm
twin 13.2mm Hotchkiss


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 12:11 pm
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twin 13.2mm Hotchkiss


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 03, 2005 12:17 pm
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twin 13.2mm Hotchkiss


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Posted by: Iamandi October 03, 2005 12:23 pm
QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Oct 3 2005, 11:34 AM)
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There are "baza 1 metru" and "baza 3 metri"?

Iama


Thanks for info Iama.

Sorry! My eyes were only at the pictures... sad.gif

Iama

Posted by: dragos October 03, 2005 12:29 pm
QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Oct 3 2005, 03:05 PM)
twin 13.2mm Hotchkiss ???

Yes, they are twin http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=329.

Posted by: C-2 October 03, 2005 12:37 pm
Who is D.M?

Posted by: Victor October 03, 2005 01:03 pm
Let's stick to serious posts in this section and leave the jokes for other sections.

Posted by: sturmvogel October 05, 2005 07:17 pm
Does anyone have a detailed breakdown by weapon type and location for various points in the year? I'd love to find out just how extensive were the defenses of Ploesti and Bucuresti. I've the numbers of batteries, but never even a breakdown of how many 88mm batteries vs. 37mm batteries.

Jason

Posted by: Victor October 05, 2005 08:37 pm
On 1 August 1943, there were were 36 heavy Flak batteries (164x88 mm guns) and 16 light batteries (210x20 or 37 mm guns) around Ploesti. Note that the 20 mm were quadruple and that it's why there are so many light AA guns for fewer batteries.

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 05, 2005 09:14 pm
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Does anyone have a detailed breakdown by weapon type and location for various points in the year? I'd love to find out just how extensive were the defenses of Ploesti and Bucuresti. I've the numbers of batteries, but never even a breakdown of how many 88mm batteries vs. 37mm batteries.


24 june'44.
AA units in action on this day:

Bucharest ( rom.units)
- 4 batteries of 88mm -155 shots
-4 batteries of 75mm -72 shots
- 1 battery of 76,2mm -12 shots
- 1 battery of 37mm -12 shots
-1 battery of 20mm - 6 shots

Ploesti
Romanian units:
-17 batteries of 88mm - 2075 shots
German units:
-6 batteries of 128 mm -942 shots
-7 batteries of 105mm -1159 shots
-19 batteries of 88 mm -3171 shots

Results: 9 enemy planes shot down.
Rom. AA Casualty :
- 4 killed
-3 wounded

Source: Arhiva Ministerului Apararii, fond 5425,dosar 114, f. 405-406.

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 06, 2005 07:31 am
Romanian AA officers .

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Posted by: iceman October 11, 2005 03:22 pm
Cantacuzino


I enjoyed reading your messages, I am very new here and I yet dont know much about this forum . Do you have the possibility to dispaly more photos on the Rumanian AA Divsion 5th Regiment and German 189 AA regiment at Ploesti and Campina ?

Can I ask you if you know where all Radars and telemetrical stations were positioned at Ploesti and Campina ? I know that South East of Campina was one Wuerzburg Radar and various AA stations ranging from 13- 88 mm

Also I have seen a caterpillar train protect the refinaries , what guns they had on board, I seen one picture on Ebay of this train but was of the 1944 train and not in 1943


Iceman

Posted by: Carol I October 11, 2005 07:17 pm
QUOTE (iceman @ Oct 11 2005, 04:22 PM)
Also I have seen a caterpillar train protect the refinaries , what guns they had on board, I seen one picture on Ebay of this train but was of the 1944 train and not in 1943

You may want to take a look in the thread http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1657.

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Originally http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1657&view=findpost&p=20861 by Dragos.

Posted by: Carol I October 11, 2005 07:36 pm
QUOTE (iceman @ Oct 11 2005, 04:22 PM)
Can I ask you if you know where all Radars and telemetrical stations were positioned at Ploesti and Campina ? I know that South East of Campina was one Wuerzburg Radar and various AA stations ranging from 13- 88 mm

Take a look http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1883&view=findpost&p=27862.

Posted by: iceman October 11, 2005 08:57 pm
Dear General Carol

Thank you again for the inmformation you sent me , but also here is not answering my question regarding the placament of radars and Tigre radio location and station in Otpeny of Bucharest

Iceman

Posted by: Carol I October 11, 2005 09:24 pm
QUOTE (iceman @ Oct 11 2005, 09:57 PM)
Thank you again for the inmformation you sent me ,  but also here is not answering my question regarding the placament of radars and Tigre radio location and station in Otpeny of Bucharest

On this thread you asked about Ploieşti and Câmpina, not Otopeni. On the other hand, I am sorry about the confusion with the map (see http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2535&view=findpost&p=40211).

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 11, 2005 10:52 pm
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Do you have the possibility to dispaly more photos on the Rumanian AA Divsion 5th Regiment and German 189 AA regiment at Ploesti and Campina ?


Picture of a german AA site located eight miles south-west of "Targusorul Vechi" village consisting of three 4 -gun positions controlled by two Wurzburg RDF installations. Source :The Ploesti Raid through the lens -Roger Freeman.
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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 11, 2005 10:56 pm
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Thank you again for the inmformation you sent me , but also here is not answering my question regarding the placament of radars and Tigre radio location and station in Otpeny of Bucharest



Telefunken FuSE-65 Wuerzburg-Riese at Otopeni. Source: Aeronautica Romana in WW2 - C. Craciunoiu & J. Roba
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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 11, 2005 10:58 pm
Telefunken FuMG-401A Freya-LZ at Otopeni. Source: Aeronautica Romana in WW2 - C. Craciunoiu & J. Roba

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Posted by: Victor October 12, 2005 05:11 am
QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Oct 12 2005, 12:56 AM)
Freya radar at Otopeni. Source: Aeronautica Romana in WW2 - C. Craciunoiu & J. Roba

That is a Würzburg radar, not a Freya. The Freya is in the second photo and was an array of dipoles, used for early warning. The Würzburg has a parabollic reflector with four antennas in its center and was used for more precision in determining the position of the enemy aircraft.

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 05:58 am
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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Oct 12 2005, 12:56 AM)
Freya radar at Otopeni. Source: Aeronautica Romana in WW2 - C. Craciunoiu & J. Roba



That is a Würzburg radar, not a Freya. The Freya is in the second photo and was an array of dipoles, used for early warning. The Würzburg has a parabollic reflector with four antennas in its center and was used for more precision in determining the position of the enemy aircraft.


Victor, thanks for input.

Because i am not specialist in radars anyone who could give more info for german radars Wurzburg and Freya are wellcome.

German Ground-Based Radars .
Telefunken FuMG-39
Telefunken FuMG-401A Freya-LZ
Telefunken FuSE-62 Wuerzburg
Telefunken FuSE-65 Wuerzburg-Riese

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 06:16 am
Telefunken Wuerzburg radars

The Wuerzburg radar was deployed by Germany during World War II. It took its name from the city of Würzburg for no other reason than the project leader liked geographical names.
Development started as a private venture by Telefunken before the war. Under the direction of Dr. Wilhelm Runge, the company's lab director, development was advanced enough that by July 1939, it led to a demonstration of a practical gun-laying radar to the Wehrmacht. The military were impressed and had it put into production.

The Wuerzburg went into service in 1940 and over 3,000 of all variants were built.

The initial "Wuerzburg A" model used a steerable paraboloid dish antenna to focus on targets. It operated in the range of 54 to 53 cm (553 to 566 MHz) - an extremely short wavelength for the time - with a pulse length of 2 microseconds, a peak power of 7 to 11 kW, and a PRF of 3,750 Hz. Range was about 29 kilometers (18 miles).

The next production model, the "Wuerzburg C", added lobe switching for greater accuracy; while the definitive "Wuerzburg D" (introduced in 1941) featured conical scanning, using an offset receiver feed called a "Quirl" that spun at 25 Hz. "Wuerzburg B" was an experimental version fitted with an infra-red detector.

A larger, more accurate adaptation of the Würzburg design was produced under the designation "Wuerzburg-Reise" (Giant Wuerzburg). This had a more powerful transmitter with a range of up to 70 kilometers (44 miles), and was adapted for operation from a railway carriage as the "Wuerzburg-Reise-E". The "Wuerzburg-Reise Gigant" was a very large version with a 160 kW transmitter, which never entered production.

A Wuerzburg system at Bruneval on the coast of France was attacked by British Paratroopers in Operation Biting. The electronics of the system were brought back to Britain for examination so that counter measures could be devised. The British technicians who examined it were impressed by the modularization for the system, which aided fault location. As a consequence the German maintenance technicians did not require the same level of electronics knowledge which the British technicians had to have to maintain British equipment.
Source:http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/W/Wuerzburg-radar.htm


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 06:28 am
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Because i am not specialist in radars anyone who could give more info for german radars Wurzburg and Freya are wellcome.
German Ground-Based Radars .
Telefunken FuMG-39
Telefunken FuMG-401A Freya-LZ
Telefunken FuSE-62 Wuerzburg
Telefunken FuSE-65 Wuerzburg-Riese


Wuerzburg, FuGM 39/62

Short-range ground radar. Range 170km, frequency 560MHz, range precision 100m, angle precision 0.2 degrees.

Wurzburg A ordered by Luftwaffe leaves the factories of Telefunken to be tested the first time on April 9, 1940. It is a light radar of identification, of average range. It can detect and continue the planes to 25 km.
It is in summer 1941 that one will start to associate it other traditional radars:
Freya, rather similar with the machines combined, and intended to supervise a vast airspace (several hundred km).
With the approach of enemy planes, it warns FuGM39/62. Wurzburg hangs its prey then and directs the shootings of Flak on it.
Its characteristic is that it is the first so mobile radar, miniaturized as much, and directional with 360° by its system of rotation on 2 axes.

Five men are necessary to the operation of Wurzburg FuGM 39/62 :
«The B6 seated at the elevation quadrant passed the altitude information by voice radio to a command and control center or to an associated searchlight unit. Next to him, the B5 sitting at the bearing indicator instrumentation on by radio as needed. The B1 stands at the rangefinder, a cathode ray tube (CRT). Next to him is the B3 standing at the height tracking scope, while the B2 sits in the control seat, where he controls the elevation angle and bearing of the system. If the Übertragungsgerät 37 were not operating, the B4 would stand next to the B1 at the rangefinder to pass on ranging information via radio.»

Wurzburg will profit from many perfections to improve the precision and the automatic exploitation of measurements:
C-Zusatz on Wurzburg C in 1940, carrying an angular precision with +ou- 0,45° with a broader cover still.
The EAG 62 Emil equipping Wurzburg D in 1942, automatically transmitting the co-ordinates to the calculator of ordering of shooting.
Source: http://www.real-et.com/radar


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 06:33 am
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Because i am not specialist in radars anyone who could give more info for german radars Wurzburg and Freya are wellcome.
German Ground-Based Radars .
Telefunken FuMG-39
Telefunken FuMG-401A Freya-LZ
Telefunken FuSE-62 Wuerzburg
Telefunken FuSE-65 Wuerzburg-Riese

General Kammhuber propose in the summer 1941 to Hitler to equip Freya with 2 Wurzburg. Freya, in charge of the remote day before and the detection of the direction of attack passes the relai to Wurzburg, of which one continues the plane, while the other guide hunters. Same source http://www.real-et.com/radar
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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 06:40 am
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Wuerzburg, FuGM 39/62


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Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 06:45 am

Freya Radar.
First tests of what would become the "Freya" early warning radar were conducted in early 1937, with initial delivery of an operational radar to the Kriegsmarine in 1938. It appeared to received a much lower priority than British radar until later in the war. The Freya radar was in fact much more sophisticated than the British Chain Home (CH) counterpart, and by operating in the 1.2 m wavelength (as opposed to ten times that for the CH) the Freya was able to be much smaller and yet offer better resolution. Yet by the start of the war only eight of these units were in operation, offering much less coverage.

Later in the war Freya operated in the band from 2.5 to 2.3 meters / 120 to 130 MHz, with a pulse width of 3 microseconds, a peak power output of 15 to 20 kW, and a PRF of 500 Hz. However it had a maximum range of only 160 kilometers (100 miles) and could not accurately determine altitude, making it inferior to CH in those respects, but it was a fully steerable and a mobile system.

Source:http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/F/Freya-radar.htm


Posted by: Carol I October 12, 2005 06:49 am
QUOTE (iceman @ Oct 11 2005, 09:57 PM)
Thank you again for the inmformation you sent me ,  but also here is not answering my question regarding the placament of radars and Tigre radio location and station in Otpeny of Bucharest

It apppears that the "beacons" on the map posted by Cantacuzino were (also) the locations of the Würzburg radars. See http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2535&view=findpost&p=40224.

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 06:56 am
German radars specif.

Mammut, FuMO 51
Long-range ground detection radar. Range up to 300km, frequency between 120 and 138MHz. Range precision 300m, angle precision 0.5 degrees.



Freya, FuGM 80 Long-range ground radar. Range 120km, Frequency 125MHz, range precision 125m, angle precision 0.5 degrees.

Wassermann, FuGM 402 Long-range ground detection radar. Range 190km, frequency between 120 and 158MHz. Range precision 300m, angle precision 0.25 degrees.

Wurzburg, FuMG 39/62 Short-range ground radar. Range 170km, frequency 560MHz, range precision100m, angle precision 0.2 degrees.


Source:http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/bay/8226/radar.htm


Posted by: mirekw October 12, 2005 07:34 am
HI
I wonder where these photos of ARR A/A bateries had been done, wne where
I supose Polesti 1943?
Photos from the page 3.

Reagrds
mirekw

Posted by: iceman October 12, 2005 08:57 am
QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Oct 12 2005, 06:56 AM)
German radars specif.

Mammut, FuMO 51
Long-range ground detection radar. Range up to 300km, frequency between 120 and 138MHz. Range precision 300m, angle precision 0.5 degrees.



Freya, FuGM 80 Long-range ground radar. Range 120km, Frequency 125MHz, range precision 125m, angle precision 0.5 degrees.

Wassermann, FuGM 402 Long-range ground detection radar. Range 190km, frequency between 120 and 158MHz. Range precision 300m, angle precision 0.25 degrees.

Wurzburg, FuMG 39/62 Short-range ground radar. Range 170km, frequency 560MHz, range precision100m, angle precision 0.2 degrees.


Source:http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/bay/8226/radar.htm

Dear General Cantacuzino

Thank you very much and I am stunned on the photos you have obtained ohmy.gif ohmy.gif The photos were hard to obtained from difficult sources and I didn't see any of them before . Reagrding the remarks of your collegues I still disagree regarding the placement of the German radars in 1943- 1944 in Rumania , some locations mentioned of the links received are correct and some are not

For example the Radar at Campina south and south of Ploesti are missing.

The next questioned I had was where was located in WWII the Tigre -Luftwaffe radio guidance and command center /station at Otopeny ( exact location) and what is it there
instead of it today ?

Can you also post more photos of the Rumania anti aircraft batteries photos 1943-1944 at Campina , Ploesti , Constanza, Buzau and Buchrest ?

What calibers of gunns were on the Caterpillar train in 1943 ? The famous Ebay photo of 1944 Caterpillar is the captured train by the Russians and not the original train used by Germans againist air invasion of the Americans in Ploesti

DCan you post more photos of the Rumanian aa coordination stations ?

Thank you to all replies

Iceman

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 08:59 am
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HI
I wonder where these photos of ARR A/A bateries had been done, wne where
I supose Polesti 1943?
Photos from the page 3.

Reagrds
mirekw


Pictures were stillshots from a propaganda movie made in '1943 not only at Ploesti but also at Black Sea shore and Bucharest defence.

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 09:20 am
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The next questioned I had was where was located in WWII the Tigre -Luftwaffe radio guidance and command center /station at Otopeny ( exact location) and what is it there
instead of it today ?


The "Tigre" radio guidance and command center was located north of Otopeni airfield. Today on the spot is Otopeni airport (with new buildings) . But i don't know exactly how much bigger was the area for this station. Some closed bunkers were possible still on the place ( a friend of mine told me that before 1989 for the extension of the airport, workers had big problems to destroy the old german command bunkers and some of them were just covered )

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 09:24 am
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Can you also post more photos of the Rumania anti aircraft batteries photos 1943-1944 at Campina , Ploesti , Constanza, Buzau and Buchrest ?


I'l try to do my best cool.gif . But this topic was open for everyone who could add info or pictures with romanian AA.

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 10:08 am
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Reagrding the remarks of your collegues I still disagree regarding the placement of the German radars in 1943- 1944 in Rumania , some locations mentioned of the links received are correct and some are not

For example the Radar at Campina south and south of Ploesti are missing.


It is probably due to the fact that some radars like Wurzburg FuSe 62, were mobile stations so could be moved to different places.

Posted by: iceman October 12, 2005 10:15 am
Dear General Cantacuzino

Does anyone has a photo in colour or more aa gun positions of Rumanian Army from 1943-1944 . Was the Rumanian 5th Regiment under the command of the Germans or suveranely under Rumanian officers ?

Are there left any charts of Rumanian / German battallions from Rumanian ?

Iceman

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 03:36 pm
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Dear General Cantacuzino

Does anyone has a photo in colour or more aa gun positions of Rumanian Army from 1943-1944 . Was the Rumanian 5th Regiment under the command of the Germans or suveranely under Rumanian officers ?

Are there left any charts of Rumanian / German battallions from Rumanian ?

Iceman


Hey Private Iceman biggrin.gif

I have also a question for you. Why you opened a new topic with the same subject as mine?. It is more simple to put all your questions (regarding rom.AA defence) only in one thread.

General Cantacuzino wink.gif

PS: Victor and Dragos, i think it's better to move all the threads regarding AA defence in only one topic. Otherwise it will be difficult to manage info from "mirror" topics.

Posted by: iceman October 12, 2005 03:47 pm
General Catacuzino
I just regeistered , I can not be familar with all rules and technicalities of this forum in just a day , please have understandig !

Ice

Posted by: iceman October 12, 2005 04:54 pm
This shark is something of a real pain !

Ice

Posted by: Victor October 12, 2005 04:55 pm
QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Oct 12 2005, 05:36 PM)
PS: Victor and Dragos, i think it's better to move all the threads regarding AA defence in only one topic. Otherwise it will be difficult to manage info from "mirror" topics.

iceman asked a specific question about the radars, which belonged to and were operated by Germans. This topic is mostly about the Romanian AA artillery. I think we should leave them apart.

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 06:20 pm
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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Oct 12 2005, 05:36 PM)
PS: Victor and Dragos, i think it's better to move all the threads regarding AA defence in only one topic. Otherwise it will be difficult to manage info from "mirror" topics. 


iceman asked a specific question about the radars, which belonged to and were operated by Germans. This topic is mostly about the Romanian AA artillery. I think we should leave them apart.


No Victor this topic was intended for all romanian AA defence sistem (not only for artillery) including radars operated by romanians or germans to guide AA guns or aviation. You know that "Tigru" alerted not only germans but all romanian units (AA guns, Aviation units and so on).
But ofcourse we must focus on romanian because is a romanian military forum tongue.gif so you can leave it like that.

Posted by: Cantacuzino October 12, 2005 06:39 pm
Romanian AA crew ( with Adrian helmets) near Ploesti. Source : P.T.L. book -Roger Freeman.
Anyone could indentify this AA gun ( 20mm Oerlikon ??)
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Posted by: Ruy Aballe November 21, 2005 03:09 pm
Hi Cantacuzino,

The AA gun depicted in the last photo you posted is a 20mm Flak 30, with an early production flash hider.
You can see a couple of interesting Flak 30 pictures taken in the island of Crete here (scroll down): http://home.online.no/~vestil/crete/heer/

Ruy

Posted by: Cantacuzino November 21, 2005 03:25 pm
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Cantacuzino,

The AA gun in the last photo you posted in a 20mm Flak 30, with an early production flash hider.
You see a couple of interesting Flak 30 pictures taken in the island of Crete here (scroll down): http://home.online.no/~vestil/crete/heer/

Ruy


Thanks Ruy.

Posted by: Cantacuzino February 22, 2009 10:02 am
Wurzburg radar with romanian crew, Bucharest '44. Picture courtesy G-ral Mircea Balanescu.

http://imageshack.us
http://g.imageshack.us/img14/wurzburg.jpg/1/

Posted by: MMM February 28, 2009 02:25 pm
Just a question: what happened with all the radars after 23.08? Were they confiscated by the Soviets? Did Romania remained without any radar system - and if it was so, until when?
As a matter of fact, more questions! wink.gif

Posted by: Victor March 01, 2009 09:21 am
From what I have seen so far, there were no Freya radars in Romanian hands. Thus the radar capabilities of the Romanian AA defense were limited to Wuerzburg targeting radars.

Is there any evidence that Romanians operated Freya radars?

Posted by: Cantacuzino March 01, 2009 06:03 pm
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Is there any evidence that Romanians operated Freya radars?


No, only the germans operated the Telefunken FuMG-401A LZ Freya radars and Telefunken FuSE-65 Wuerzburg-Riese.

Romanian used only the (small ) wurzburg FuSe 62 radars toghether (as integrated sistem) with KG 40 ( control unit) and 88 Krupp AA guns.
In 1950 there were still AA units with wurzburg + KG 40 + 88 Krupp, mostly used for training.
I will post soon some pictures from 1946-1950 period.

Posted by: Victor March 02, 2009 07:31 am
I thought so. Then this detail should be pointed out when mentioning the Wuerzburg radars operated by Romanians. Most people don't make the difference between Wuerzburg and Freya. They see the word "radar" and a round screen with a line rotating on it pops into their minds.

Posted by: bogdymar May 25, 2010 01:41 pm
Does anybody have some pictures about radar operated by romanian after the WW2?

Posted by: bogdymar July 08, 2010 01:16 pm
I've tried to do something for the history of romanian radars (see the topics I've started). But it is not the case of this site. I'm sorry.

P.S. Thank you for some information.

Posted by: bogdymar December 13, 2010 04:01 pm
Here is a link with german radar deployment in Romania.

http://www.deutschesatlantikwallarchiv.de/radar/romania/rro.htm

Posted by: muggs December 14, 2010 01:19 pm
Some of these have been posted before but here they are in much better resolution.

http://img405.imageshack.us/i/128mmrailway.jpg/

http://img208.imageshack.us/i/wurzburgromania1.jpg/

http://img502.imageshack.us/i/wurzburgrom.jpg/

http://img542.imageshack.us/i/wurzburgfreya.jpg/


http://img600.imageshack.us/i/wurzburgploiesti.jpg/

http://img692.imageshack.us/i/wurzburgbucuresti.jpg/



Posted by: amz October 24, 2019 10:44 am
Does anybody know what type of trucks/tractors Romania army used to tow the AA guns, especially the heavier ones like 88s or Vickers 75 mm?

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