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Posted by: C-2 August 17, 2003 07:26 pm
Tomorow,at the military cemetry of Bucharest ,veterans pilots will meet at Serbanescu's tumb stone,like every year,to give him the honors he deservs.
I'll be there and let you know how it went.

Posted by: Bernard Miclescu August 18, 2003 06:12 pm
Very interesting but I didn`t met you. Or maybe we talked .
Nevertheless it was a great day, but I was sad sawing that only Mr Dobran was there. There were two other bomber pilots and I was very honored to met Mr Popescu Alexandru Viorel who came from Sinaia to `see` a friend. He was a pilot on JRS 79B bomber and he also flew the He111 H bomber.

I was very surprised to see that, apart Mr Leo R., no one from this forum could come. I only hope that those who had the possibility to come today at the thomb of a Great Hero will come the following years. Do not forget Al Serbanescu or the other Heros!!!!!!!!

Bernard (Andi) Miclescu

Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2003 07:20 pm
Sure I've been!
I came with Gen Dobran ,who was Serbanescu's last wingman and C-dor Eusebiu Hladiuc(savoia).I was glad also to meet A.Viorel.
I was disaponted that Serbanescu's brother could't came cause of age...
I was also very disaponted that in those sacred moments a certain person(about 40 years)was talking (it's much to say cause he didn't speek even Romanian correct...)about a very decorated pilot like about a thief(who stoll the decorations and awards he got (risking his life and been severly wonded).
It happens that I know that pilot and belive me ,if we weren't in the cemetery I would kick this guys as!.
I was told by Dobran that the thumb stone of Serbanescu was changed a few years ago because it was written on it something not so pro Americans(I can understand that).
Dobran also found that a few other pilots graves are missing(liKe C.Lungulescu).Seems like those people don't deserve even a grave after their sacrifice!
Anyway it was an interesting experince!

Posted by: Florin September 29, 2003 03:34 am
Hi,

Once I had the chance to read the original "Curentul" printed on August 19. Or it was the one printed on August 20. The owner of the newspaper was Pamfil Seicaru.
It was mentioned there the death of the pilot Serbanescu. The article was little, but I think it was on the first page.
The head of the newspaper (biggest title, biggest article on the first page) was a speech of the Bulgarian prime minister about the fact that as an Axis satellite Bulgaria had difficult days, and that they will try to find a solution for this problem.
As Romania at August 20 had even worse days as an Axis satellite, I think the article was an allusion. As the Romanians say: "Bate saua ca sa priceapa iapa."
For the English speaker: "Lash the saddle, hoping the mare will understand."
It is said Pamfil Seicaru was a friend of Antonescu, so I wouldn't be surprised that he was aware about Antonescu's negociations.
I am sorry... The topic was the death and the commemoration of pilot Serbanescu, but maybe also the other thing may interest somebody.

Florin

Posted by: C-2 July 15, 2004 09:19 pm
In one month there will be 60 years since the fall of serbanescu.
I'd like to ask as many members of this forum to came to the military cemetry in Ghencea,to the anual comemoration.
If it's posible also we can coordonate and those who live near an ARR veteran,they can take him with them,and bring him back later.
I alredy have 3 vets in my car(that's all my car can take) and Cantacuzino is bringing another one.
If someone lives in Titan,Colentina,Tineretului and other places ,he can talk with me and I'll"give "him a veteran pilot.
(last year only 3 pilots came).

Posted by: Florin July 16, 2004 02:46 am
...So he was shot down in July, not in August?

Who was the Romanian ace shot down by the Americans just few days before August 23rd, 1944?

PS: Hopefully you'll find people as kind as you regarding the transport of those former pilots, who once were a shield between the Romanian innocent civilians and the American bombers.

Posted by: Dénes July 16, 2004 02:57 am
Yes, it was Cpt. Alex. Serbanescu, who was shot down and killed by Mustangs on August 18, 1944.
Dr. C-2 was correct: "In one month there will be 60 years since the fall of serbanescu."

Posted by: Florin July 17, 2004 03:32 am
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Dr. C-2 was correct: \"In one month there will be 60 years since the fall of serbanescu.\"


In that moment, my mind was floating in June. I forgot that we are in July.
Maybe because I turned the calendar from May directly to July. :?

And yes, I missed the meaning of the title which started the topic... Sorry.

Posted by: Bernard Miclescu July 19, 2004 05:04 pm
I'll be there. Another aviation history lover, who wrote an article in Aeromagazin about the famous Rudel will come with Mr Tudor Vasile (sure at 95%). And next time C-2, don't stay apart from the group. Come closer!!! laugh.gif

Yours,
Bm

Posted by: C-2 July 19, 2004 07:29 pm
I don't like cemetries sad.gif sad.gif
I'm making an emitional efort doing there :cry:

Posted by: Bernard Miclescu July 20, 2004 12:53 pm
See you there!!!

bm

Posted by: Der Maresal July 24, 2004 09:08 pm
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I've found great images of Serbanescu and his unit, and would like to share them.
The full article is long, and would be difficult to translate - but sounds interesting. http://www.virtualarad.net/orizont_aviatic/august_2003/articol1/articol_1.htm
- Romanian version -

user posted image
At Nikolaiev, from left to Right...Greceanu, Simionescu, Dusescu, Senchea & Serbanescu

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August 1941, Ghimbav training school. Serbanescu, back then, a Lieutenant at the controlls of a Pzl.11B

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The picture reads: "Romanian Messerschmitts on the endless Russian plain, always surrounded on all sides by Yaks and Aircobras.

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At Tecuci, July 1944. fromt left to right; Danaita, Bendas, Milu, a mountain troop, Serbanescu, Radulescu, Senchea, Florescu, Dobran, Dusescu, and in the background a "G" which the mechanics work on.

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1943, Mizil Aerodrome. from left to right; Adj-Aviator Economu Alexandru, Adj-Aviator Popescu Constantin, 2nd-Lt Aviator Carciuvoianu V., and Adj-Aviator Encioiu Dumitru Mitrica in front of Mitrica's Gustav.

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At Nikolaev, 1944 right after the 10'o clock breakfast. from left to right; Vinca, Greceanu, Mucenica, Stengel, Serbanescu, Lungulescu, Leutnant Ludwig Neubock, unknown, Dusescu, Simionescu, Senchea, Encioiu, Turcanu. It reads the "last two are struggling with a stomach that is not quite ready yet."
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[i might be wrong, but the crosses on top of the picture indicate that men died in combat, during WW2. This makes sense, both Vinca and Serbanescu have crosses, and they both fell during the war.]

?????? what is this ?
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:shock: !

they must have had good 'entertainment' in those days.. smile.gif

Posted by: Victor July 24, 2004 09:24 pm
Photos no. 3 and 4, teh ones with the supposed "Russian endless plains" are of planes and pilots of the 53rd Fighter Squadron, which was never based on an airfield outside Romania.

You are correct on your assumption. Also Lungulescu and Turcanu were KIA. The symbols for the rest might represent wound bars.

Posted by: Der Maresal July 24, 2004 09:44 pm
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Photos no. 3 and 4, teh ones with the supposed \"Russian endless plains\" are of planes and pilots of the 53rd Fighter Squadron, which was never based on an airfield outside Romania.


That's what the picture says, but you'r right. The plane is a Me-109G-2 and belongs to the 7th Fighter group, 53rd Squadron Summer 1943 at Mizil.
......
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but, i also found a similar looking plane (without the tricolor) and belonging to the same 53rd Squadron at Mizil in the Summer of 1943 was that of Stefan "Bebe" Greceanu, an ace with 11 kills who was attached to the joint German-Romanian unit I/JG 4. Is this true?
Both units were combined?
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Posted by: Dénes July 25, 2004 03:18 am
QUOTE

At Nikolaiev, from left to Right...Greceanu, Simionescu, Dusescu, Senchea & Serbanescu

On the original photo, Luftwaffe Lt. Neuböck is linking arms with Serbanescu (here it's cut off).

QUOTE
At Nikolaev, 1944 right after the 10'o clock breakfast. from left to right; Vinca, Greceanu, Mucenica, Stengel, Serbanescu, Lungulescu, Leutnant Ludwig Neubock, unknown, Dusescu, Simionescu, Senchea, Encioiu, Turcanu.

The airman identified as "Stengel" is not Luftwaffe liaison pilot Ernst Stengl, who was much thinner. The "unidentified airman" is another Luftwaffe soldier.
I have another version of the same propaganda photo, with another pilot on the left, while the one at right is cut out...

Dénes

Posted by: Carol I August 17, 2004 12:27 pm
A commemoration ceremony for Cpt. A. Şerbănescu organised by the "A. Şerbănescu" Foundation and the Air Force Staff will take place on 18 August 2004 at 9.00 at the Ghencea Military Cemetery.

Source: http://www.mapn.ro/cpresa/nou.php?id=936

Posted by: Victor August 18, 2004 02:44 pm
Photos from the memorial service today (18 August 2004)

The tomb:
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The guard platoons:
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General Ioan Dobran giving his speech:
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Claudiu and commander Costin Georgescu (see http://www.worldwar2.ro/arr/p052.htm):
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Me and Bernard Miclescu (photo taken by Claudiu before we could assume a more serious photo position smile.gif ):
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and a Doors fan:
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Posted by: Carol I August 18, 2004 04:15 pm
Thanks for the photos. They are great.

But what has happened to the photo with you and Bernard? I can see only some treetops.

Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2004 08:08 pm
Victor is so ugly,that the camera wouldn't take his picture....
Is was an interesting day.
Only sorry that the organizators didn't brought some chairs for the old guys.
More pictures to come.

Posted by: Victor August 19, 2004 06:47 am
Apparently the photo wasn't uploaded completely. It should work now. I am curious about the photos Claudiu made. The ones I've seen so far are oblique laugh.gif

Posted by: Carol I August 19, 2004 10:07 pm
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Apparently the photo wasn't uploaded completely. It should work now.

Yes, it does. Thanks.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 20, 2004 09:42 am
S!~

This was the first time I took part at this event, unfortunatelly only recent I became interested on romanian ww2 wings and just begun to dig the past.My lacks in this field are big and you will notice this if you will go read the thread I made over to Netwings Forum about 18th August 2004:

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID18/3789.html

Posted by: Carol I August 20, 2004 08:13 pm
Nice photos, Mytzu. And congratulations for your initiative regarding Ioan Dicezare's anniversary.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 20, 2004 08:21 pm
Thank you !

About Dicezare's present - it was a comun effort made by more ppl then just me smile.gif

Posted by: C-2 August 20, 2004 09:05 pm
Veterans present at the ceremony:
Ioan Dicezare-gr 7
Ioan Dobran gr 9
Ian Marinciu gr 7/9
Costin georgescu gr 7
Eusebiu Hladiuk -Savoia
Iosif Morariu gr 7?
Marinescu Ju 52
If there were more you can write their names!

Posted by: Dénes August 20, 2004 09:07 pm
QUOTE
Veterans present at the ceremony:
Ioan Dicezare-gr 7
Ioan Dobran gr 9
Ian Marinciu gr 7/9
Costin georgescu gr 7
Eusebiu Hladiuk -Savoia
Iosif Morariu gr 7?
Marinescu Ju 52

Iosif "Joshka" Morariu is still with us? That's great!
Could you interview him, C-2 & Victor?

Col. Dénes

Posted by: C-2 August 20, 2004 09:17 pm
I took with me in my car 3 great guys.All 4 of us had a totl of 294 years...
Dobran,niked name Fakir(given him by Lipfert himself),Marinciu-Bimbi(after a cartoon character of that time) and Georgescu,who I don'tknow his "other"name.
It was the only one time that I went with 3 other guys and my wife wasn't worried about me going "chasing girls with the guys".I guess she didn't red Dobrans book laugh.gif laugh.gif
On the way to the cemetery,Georgescu was navigating from the back seat ,but we had the suprise of finding that a large bulevard was closed due to repairs...We had to drive till Ferentary(never been there till now)and then finaly found our way.
I know that many disliked IDC's speach,but he was the only one brave to talk about the exhumation of the remains of the ww2 heros,for making place for snobs,that want's to get burried in their places.

Posted by: C-2 August 20, 2004 09:19 pm
I alredy made "contact" with Morariu :keep:
He's mine laugh.gif

Posted by: Dénes August 20, 2004 11:27 pm
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I alredy made \"contact\" with Morariu :keep:  
He's mine laugh.gif

Great! Don't let him escape!
And ask about his log book (carnet de zbor), too.

Col. Dénes

Posted by: Victor August 21, 2004 10:01 am
Photos made by Claudiu
General Dicezare giving a speech:
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General Dobran with cmdr. Eusebiu Hladiuc and an unknown (to me) veteran:
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A group of veterans:
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from left to right: general Ioan Dobran, cmdr. Costin Georgescu, general Ioan Dicezare and 3 unknown veterans.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 21, 2004 11:25 am
Isn't the last veteran (the one with white bearb, glasses and straw hat) Marinescu Cap Tare (Marinescu Strong Head) ? transport pilot who was hit in the head by a wooden propellor - fortunatelly the propeller was the one to brake.

Posted by: C-2 August 21, 2004 07:30 pm
Yes that's Marinescu.
I didn't heard about the mentioned accident (I didn,t met Marinescu in privat yet).
He does have an ugly scar at the lowe jaw,that I was sure it was from a dental abces...
Thinking of what you said,it can be from a propelor.

Posted by: deadmanwalking August 21, 2004 09:43 pm
Who else can you identify? Their names deserve to be known. I'm very interested into knowing who that gentleman in a wheelchair is. Mytzu wrote the veteran pilot lost both legs. Further information on this man would be greately appreciated.

Posted by: Bernard Miclescu August 22, 2004 09:36 am
I am very happy that i met you Claudiu and Victor!!!

For the first time i saw a real ceremony and my emotion was high.

Several hours after the ceremony i returned to the Ghencea cemetery and the flowers (coroane de flori) disappeared... i do not know why.....

Very nice pictures Victor. I`ll send mines when i`ll get back to France. I made also some pictures with the graves of some pilots, just for memory, who knows if next year they will still be there.

From my homeland Bacau (Ro) i send to you all my faithfuly regards.

Bm

Posted by: C-2 August 22, 2004 08:55 pm
The flowers must have been taken by the "care takers"of the cemetry,in irder to sell them again.Thats the way it is in Romania.
We also made a confusion...
Mr Morariu is not Iosif Morariu,but Ioan Morariu,a IAR 39 pilot who saw no action in the war but flew later a Mig 15 with Dragos Stinghe.
Expert Dan Melinte told me that the pictures he has with Iosif Morariu are diferent..
When I called Morariu,I knew Dan was right.
The person without legs is a mistery to everybody.Even Dicesare,who is sort of a Mafalda and knows everybody didn't know who he was...
I understand that he wrote a book about aviation,and that his legs were amputated lately.

Posted by: cainele_franctiror September 01, 2004 09:04 pm
The guy in blue t-shirt (behind general Dobran) is me :keep:

Posted by: dragos September 10, 2004 06:24 pm
Picture sent by C-2

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Posted by: C-2 September 10, 2004 07:59 pm
Who is the guy getting a autografh from Marinciu?

Posted by: Der Maresal September 11, 2004 04:10 am
Quality Pictures.

Dobran looks good and modern dressed. I think he will live another 10 years...

Di Cezare looks nice too, I like his decorations, and I also admire the fact that he has the guts to wear the Iron Cross, the original one.

German veterans cannot have it, they must wear a replica that does not have the hooked cross on it. I think that's a bit of a 'hairpull'.

I predict Dobran will outlive Di Cezare.
I wish them health and peacefull years of retirement, to make up for the years of war and exhaustion from earlier days...

Posted by: C-2 September 11, 2004 05:31 pm
Who is the guy with Marinciu? :mad:

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 03, 2005 06:47 pm
As many of you know it is the comemoration of Serbanescu's fall, me and other squadron mates will be there, any of you coming also ?

Posted by: C-2 August 03, 2005 07:45 pm
Mytzu use for this the old topic please.

Posted by: C-2 August 03, 2005 07:47 pm
Commnetsabout this year reunion ,here please!

Posted by: Dénes August 04, 2005 02:31 am
QUOTE (C-2 @ Aug 4 2005, 01:45 AM)
Mytzu use for this the old topic please.

Topics merged by Dénes.

Posted by: 109 August 04, 2005 08:12 pm
QUOTE
Who is the guy with Marinciu? :mad:


The same guys:

http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img10704hr.jpg

Posted by: C-2 August 04, 2005 08:15 pm
Where was the photo taken?

Posted by: 109 August 04, 2005 08:22 pm
again

http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=113zd.jpg

Posted by: 109 August 04, 2005 08:24 pm
These guys are everywhere!!!

http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mypictures1645cr.jpg

Posted by: 109 August 04, 2005 08:27 pm
Yet another:

http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10100924ne.jpg

Posted by: Fratello August 04, 2005 08:29 pm
How are these guys 109?
They are everywhere...

Posted by: cainele_franctiror August 04, 2005 08:31 pm

I will also be there ...

Posted by: cainele_franctiror August 04, 2005 08:33 pm

I intendet to say that I will be at ceremony on 18th aug 2005 at Ghencea , do not understand that I am in those photos

Posted by: C-2 August 14, 2005 10:36 am
Guys !
I want to remaind you!
18 of August -Thursday .
Ghencea Military Cemetry -I don't know the hour yet ,but I'll let you know.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 14, 2005 04:26 pm
I'll be there - let me know if D. needs a lift.

Posted by: dragos August 14, 2005 05:34 pm
Maybe I'll come too as I'm on vacation. Please give the coordinates of meeting.

Posted by: C-2 August 14, 2005 05:46 pm
I'm lifting Dobran Marinciu and maybee Lucaci.
Dobran said well be there at 8.30.

Posted by: Victor August 17, 2005 06:18 am
What hour? 9 AM?

Posted by: C-2 August 17, 2005 11:52 am
Like I said Dobran wants us to be there at 8.30...

Posted by: Victor August 18, 2005 08:25 am
Not many came today. Probably because of the weather.

Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2005 05:56 pm
Hei !
The guy on the right isn't a ARR vet!

Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2005 06:06 pm
Well it was a very pleasant day,with some exceptions that I'll open a new topic about them later.
When I saw that it rained all night and was still rainind at 7 am I called Dobran to ask if we abord the mission..-"so what if it's raining..let's go!" was his answer.
So I colected first Ioan Marinciu after him Boris Capbatut,and Dobran the last.
Mytzu was kind and brought Lucaci Mihai.
All the way Boris told us jokes(most of them dirty ones).
We were at the cemetry at 8.30,and nobody was around exept a guy from Pitesti.
We went first with Boris to visit his wife grave.
Then Victor came and we all went to Popescu Ciocanel grave,where Dobran told us some stories abbout him.
Later the "guys "came .I meen the young ones.
The dauther of Serbanescu's brother came with her husband (she org .the comemoration).
From the vetrs also came,Eusebiu Hladiuk,Dan Stoian,Chiaburu,Coman,the 90 years old guy,Morariu and others that i don't know.
I left with a good feeling,and hope we all be there next year!

Posted by: Dénes August 18, 2005 06:16 pm
QUOTE (C-2 @ Aug 18 2005, 11:56 PM)
Hei !
The guy on the right isn't a ARR vet!

The third one from left, in line, isn't either. He was a civilian transport pilot, IIRC. I met him last Summer at ARPIA.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2005 06:20 pm

From left:Lucaci Mihai and Marinciu
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Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2005 06:37 pm
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From left:Boris Capbatut,Dobran,Marinciu and the guy from Pitesti.

Posted by: PanzerKing August 18, 2005 06:39 pm
Elderly Romanian men dress just like elderly American men. I guess grandmas and grandpas are universal. laugh.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2005 06:41 pm
Victor at Popisteanu's grave.
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Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2005 07:25 pm
The guys...
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From Right:Victor(the one with the long hair),Mytzu,Toppy,the guy from Ploiesti.
Far right Coman (Savoia).

Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2005 08:51 pm
In the middle of the comemoration ceremony,suddenly a group of bird flew over the grave in a tight "V" formation.....
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Posted by: George August 20, 2005 06:28 am
Very nice!
Looks like "the missing man" formation.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 20, 2005 07:59 am
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Looks like "the missing man" formation.


Indeed it does, the 12th pilot is missing and probably the first is flying ahead of the formation.

Posted by: C-2 August 20, 2005 08:27 pm
The mistery man.
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Posted by: C-2 August 20, 2005 08:29 pm
The short guy,third from the right,was a glider gunner.
He consider himself very lucky since he never met fighters....
http://imageshack.us

Posted by: Carol I August 21, 2005 02:58 pm
QUOTE (C-2 @ Aug 20 2005, 09:27 PM)
The mistery man.

The? Details please.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 21, 2005 04:52 pm
All we know is his name, what he flew and his age: Munteanu, SM-79, 90 years and three month old.

Posted by: Carol I August 21, 2005 05:08 pm
QUOTE (D13-th_Mytzu @ Aug 21 2005, 05:52 PM)
All we know is his name, what he flew and his age: Munteanu, SM-79, 90 years and three month old.

I see ... the mysterious man is Mr. Munteanu. Well, there is a good chance that he is cdor. Emil Grigore Munteanu (if he has indeed received recently the peacetime knight's cross of the Aeronautical Virtue Order).

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 21, 2005 05:38 pm
Hmm, I think it is time for Tomcat to make anoteher phonecall smile.gif will link him to this page.

Posted by: Tomcat August 22, 2005 11:18 am
Okeydokey the gentelmen in question is Cdr. Munteanu (probably the one mentioned by you), bomber pilot on He-111 and Savoias JRS-79 during WW2. 90 years old and a funny man to talk to.

I'm supposed to visit him again in the following weeks for a photo shoot and maybe some questions...

Dan

Posted by: Fratello November 22, 2005 08:48 am
I know that is late but I want to post some pictures from Serbanescu grave reunion
"Do you rember guys?"

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Posted by: Fratello November 22, 2005 08:56 am
Victor, Mr.Marinciu and Mytzu

http://imageshack.us

Posted by: Fratello November 22, 2005 09:03 am
...and Mr. Dobran


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Posted by: Fratello November 22, 2005 09:09 am
Mr Lucaci Mihai, Mr Ion Dobran and Mr. Dan Stoian

http://imageshack.us

Posted by: Fratello November 22, 2005 09:20 am
Mr Dobran and Mr. Munteanu


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Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu November 23, 2005 10:41 pm
Nice pics Fratello, thanks !

Posted by: ben June 15, 2006 05:00 pm
QUOTE (Der Maresal @ Jul 24 2004, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE
user posted image

I've found great images of Serbanescu and his unit, and would like to share them.
The full article is long, and would be difficult to translate - but sounds interesting. http://www.virtualarad.net/orizont_aviatic/august_2003/articol1/articol_1.htm
- Romanian version -

user posted image
At Nikolaiev, from left to Right...Greceanu, Simionescu, Dusescu, Senchea & Serbanescu

user posted image
August 1941, Ghimbav training school. Serbanescu, back then, a Lieutenant at the controlls of a Pzl.11B

user posted image
The picture reads: "Romanian Messerschmitts on the endless Russian plain, always surrounded on all sides by Yaks and Aircobras.

user posted image
At Tecuci, July 1944. fromt left to right; Danaita, Bendas, Milu, a mountain troop, Serbanescu, Radulescu, Senchea, Florescu, Dobran, Dusescu, and in the background a "G" which the mechanics work on.

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1943, Mizil Aerodrome. from left to right; Adj-Aviator Economu Alexandru, Adj-Aviator Popescu Constantin, 2nd-Lt Aviator Carciuvoianu V., and Adj-Aviator Encioiu Dumitru Mitrica in front of Mitrica's Gustav.

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At Nikolaev, 1944 right after the 10'o clock breakfast. from left to right; Vinca, Greceanu, Mucenica, Stengel, Serbanescu, Lungulescu, Leutnant Ludwig Neubock, unknown, Dusescu, Simionescu, Senchea, Encioiu, Turcanu. It reads the "last two are struggling with a stomach that is not quite ready yet."
laugh.gif

[i might be wrong, but the crosses on top of the picture indicate that men died in combat, during WW2. This makes sense, both Vinca and Serbanescu have crosses, and they both fell during the war.]

?????? what is this ?
user posted image
:shock: !

they must have had good 'entertainment' in those days.. smile.gif

I need to know more about this post.

In particular this part:
QUOTE
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At Tecuci, July 1944. fromt left to right; Danaita, Bendas, Milu, a mountain troop, Serbanescu, Radulescu, Senchea, Florescu, Dobran, Dusescu, and in the background a "G" which the mechanics work on.


Bendas is a first name?

Does anyone have any more information on Bendas named people in Romania? Or at least this information posted, and/or where can I get the photo(it's gone).

Posted by: Dénes June 15, 2006 05:11 pm
QUOTE (ben @ Jun 15 2006, 11:00 PM)
Bendas is a first name?

No, Bendas was his last (family) name.

Posted by: ben June 19, 2006 06:16 pm
QUOTE (Dénes @ Jun 15 2006, 05:11 PM)
QUOTE (ben @ Jun 15 2006, 11:00 PM)
Bendas is a first name?

No, Bendas was his last (family) name.

Do you know what his first name would be by any chance?

I'm of the Bendas family, and apparently there were family members in this region during the wars. I have however lost all contact with them and my family is not even sure of our race completely except that we are most likely Russians.

However, a Bendas fighting for the Royal Romanian force? Wouldn't they be fighting against Russians?

I wonder why a Bendas would do that.

Posted by: George June 20, 2006 01:00 am
Hi!
I have Slt.av.Bendas C-tin.He is the one who left the formation on 18 August.
George.

Posted by: Dénes June 20, 2006 01:55 am
QUOTE (ben @ Jun 20 2006, 12:16 AM)
However, a Bendas fighting for the Royal Romanian force?  Wouldn't they be fighting against Russians?

I wonder why a Bendas would do that.

Yes, he was Slt. av. Constantin Bendas, fighter pilot on Messerschmitt Bf 109Gs.
He did serve briefly on the Eastern Front, in 1943, then in home defense, also briefly, in 1944.

He fought against the Soviets, because he was a Rumanian soldier and did his duty.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Iamandi June 20, 2006 06:19 am
He was nick named Bendix?

Iama

Posted by: Dénes June 20, 2006 11:58 am
QUOTE (Iamandi @ Jun 20 2006, 12:19 PM)
He was nick named Bendix?

Iama

Apparently, yes.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Iamandi June 21, 2006 06:03 am
If my memory works fine, this pilot was not at the first time when he returnet back to airport with "technichall" motivations. He returned, also, when Maga, Economu, Turcanu and Ciocanel were shot down (i hope i write the right names). And another one, from memory - here maybe someone with more data can confirm or not - "Bendix" reatreat at "intendenta" at short time afther Serbanescu's death.

Iama

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu June 21, 2006 06:41 am
Is he the pilot that several books refer to as the one who always had technical problem shortly after the mission start at which point he rtb ?

Posted by: Iamandi June 21, 2006 07:15 am
Yes...

Iama

Posted by: C-2 August 13, 2006 08:06 pm
Guys,
On Friday morning the anual comemoration at Ghencea military cemetry.
I'll let you know the hour in a day or two.

Posted by: C-2 August 15, 2006 06:35 pm
Friday 8 AM.

Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2006 09:59 am
Well a lot of people came;
Dobran, Marinciu,Goloiu,Chiaburu,Dan Antoniu,Cristian Craciunoiu,Razvan Bujor,Iordache and many others.Not to talk about the fact that Bernard Miclescu came after a two years absence...
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On the right Dobran and Marinciu.
On the left Goloiu.

Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2006 10:01 am
Dobran as usual,putting flowers at Serbanescu's grave.
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Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2006 10:03 am
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Dobran with Dan Antoniu at his back,Rodion Chiaburu.

Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2006 10:05 am
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The guys!

Posted by: C-2 August 18, 2006 10:07 am
Some Melinte guy....
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One of many things that are comun between Dan Melinte and Denes Bernad;Thay bouth don't like that way I take photos... sad.gif

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 20, 2006 07:26 pm
Here are some of the pics made by me and Electric:


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Posted by: Dénes August 20, 2006 07:52 pm
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Who is Mr. Dobran's bodyguard? ph34r.gif

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 20, 2006 09:48 pm
He's a tuff one, don't mess with him laugh.gif

Posted by: Dénes August 21, 2006 12:13 am
Yes, he certainly appears a tough guy.
Any connection with Mossad? Or perhaps with the Italian Maffia (judging by the Dolce e Gabbana designer sunglasses) biggrin.gif

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 21, 2006 07:29 am
Looks more italian to me - that's why we probably like him better, a man like ourselfs biggrin.gif

Posted by: C-2 August 21, 2006 11:17 am
The guys from the Mossad have very short hair...
Like we all know who. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Bernard Miclescu October 08, 2006 11:58 am
Hello to everybody,

I have some more photos from the 18th august 2006 that i wanted to share with you.

Kind regards, BM

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Posted by: Bernard Miclescu October 08, 2006 12:45 pm
Gen Dobran in C-2's car...
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Posted by: C-2 August 16, 2007 07:01 pm
Saturday like every year guys!
I'll let you know the hour.

Posted by: Victor August 17, 2007 11:42 am
QUOTE (C-2 @ August 16, 2007 09:01 pm)
Saturday like every year guys!
I'll let you know the hour.

The ceremony will be held at 08:30 AM at Ghencea Military Cemetary. Anybody else comming?

Posted by: Dénes August 17, 2007 12:45 pm
As for myself, I am afraid I will never be able to attend it, as Aug. 18 is my daughter's birthday.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu August 17, 2007 02:03 pm
I cannot make it - I have to go to a funeral.

Posted by: C-2 August 17, 2007 06:57 pm
Dobran,Nicolae Traian and Dan Stoian will be there.

Posted by: Victor August 18, 2007 03:29 pm
Not very much people today. I spent most of the time talking to mr. Antoniu, whom I haven't seen in a long while. Haven't seen cdor. av. Nicolae Traian, just gen. Dobran, Stoian, Hladiuc and Goloiu and the two unknown in uniform.

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Posted by: Dénes August 18, 2007 04:32 pm
QUOTE (Victor @ August 18, 2007 09:29 pm)
(...)the two unknown in uniform.

How come they are 'unknown'? Nobody approached them to ask them who they are? blink.gif

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Bernard Miclescu July 11, 2008 08:05 pm
What about this year? I wonder how many veterans will come. fewer and fewer i suppose.

I planned to come to Ghencea cimitery this year. Hope to see some of you around.

Till then,
all the best.

BM

Posted by: C-2 July 12, 2008 11:50 am
This year I'm taking the vacantion between 2-13/8.
Hopefully,I'll be there.

Posted by: electric July 14, 2008 09:54 am
this year i'll be in Kecskemet sad.gif
unfortunately, i cannot attend.

Posted by: C-2 August 17, 2008 08:04 pm
JUst talked with Dan Stoian.
Tomorow Ghencea milit. cem. at 9.00.
Unfortunatly I won't be there. I was sure they'll comem. it on 18 sunday.
To drive twice during rush hours in Buc. it's imposible to me.

Posted by: Hadrian August 18, 2008 05:23 pm
Sa-i fie tarana usoara.

Posted by: Bernard Miclescu August 19, 2008 09:43 am
From the veterans, only Mr Dobran was there. We were so few this year. Latter i will put a photo.
Mr Arbanas went to Bacau with a delegation, only his wife was present. The commander of BC Mig 21 base made military honors in the memory of A Serbanescu, at his statue. It seems that next year military honors will be made in Ghencea-Bucharest. A young man was there too but he didn`t present himself...

Bm

Posted by: kelly August 20, 2008 04:14 pm
We would be proud to have this story on our website - together with any other Romanian aircrew who served in the period of WW2 - As explained in a previous post we are not a politically orientated website and welcome article from any nationality.
Please contact us via our website with the full information and photographs/documents - we will place full credit to the people who supply them.
Kelvin

http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/

Posted by: Bernard Miclescu October 14, 2008 03:28 pm
The photos promised...

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Posted by: kelly October 14, 2008 03:35 pm
Great photo's please check our website - be happy to have the story regarding this along with other information if at all possible?
Kelvin

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Posted by: Simionescu-Grandson August 23, 2010 04:01 pm
My grandfather is Simionescu as seen in the photos of Serbanescu. I am looking for any information on him as the pieces I receive from his sons are sketchy and don't seem to make sence with the information I find on this wonderful sight. Please send me a message for any information on Simionescu and/or his unit. Also I am interested in any information on the memorial - when/where. Thank you.

Eugene Simionescu

Posted by: ionionescu August 06, 2011 11:00 am
Another photo colored lately (unfortunately I couldn't find it in a better quality), I thought it is appropriate to post it here, also because
the date of 18 August is fast approaching.
Photo source: http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandru_%C8%98erb%C4%83nescu
Any comments/suggestions welcomed. Thanks!
Program used: Adobe Photoshop 7.0, work time: seven hours.

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Posted by: yugit August 06, 2011 06:10 pm

I want to extend my congrats to you for your outstanding results....even the Front Spange in gold is 100% as it would look in reality.

Best Regards

Posted by: ionionescu August 06, 2011 07:30 pm
Thank you yugit, I try to be as accurate as possible.
Regards!

Posted by: Antoniu August 08, 2011 08:09 am
ionionescu - congratulations for the quality of your color photos.
Serbanescu color photo is good, but picture quality is poor.
This and other photos of colorful but the exceptional quality to find me.

Posted by: ionionescu August 08, 2011 10:22 pm
@Antoniu, thank you very much!, I just sent you a PM

Posted by: Agarici August 11, 2011 04:00 pm
QUOTE (ionionescu @ August 06, 2011 11:00 am)
Another photo colored lately (unfortunately I couldn't find it in a better quality), I thought it is appropriate to post it here, also because
the date of 18 August is fast approaching.
Photo source: http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandru_%C8%98erb%C4%83nescu
Any comments/suggestions welcomed. Thanks!
Program used: Adobe Photoshop 7.0, work time: seven hours.

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Your efforts and results (not only for that photo) are impressive, congratulations!
I don’t want to sound contentious. But I have two observations: first, in my opinion the eyes are too blue - “blue-in blue”, with no white. Second, according to a material from an older “Modelism” issue from 1990 (dedicated to the events from 18 August and written by Ion Ţarălungă, who knew the pilot in person) which I just re-red, A. Şerbănescu’s eyes were (approximate quotation) “of an intense metallic green, and one could not say if they were the eyes of a bird of pray or of a dreamer”.

I think this detail could also be easily verified with Mr. Dobran.

Posted by: Radub August 11, 2011 05:18 pm
Taralunga was 16 when Serbanescu died. Is there any explanation as to how they "knew" each other?
"Bazu" was Constantin Cantacuzino's nickname. In as far as I know, Serbanescu's nickname was "Alecu".
Radu

Posted by: ionionescu August 11, 2011 05:50 pm
@Agarici, thanks for your comments.
About the comment: ”eyes are too blue - “blue-in blue”, with no white”, there are many reasons for how they look like this: the quality of the photo, the eyes are half-closed, the light that comes from behind, the shadow makes the color ”white” from the eyes to look ”gray” and the color ”gray” with the ”blue” from the eyes give the result you see. I know it is not perfect, but I spent hours trying to mach the colors, this is the best I could do with what I had, the colorization quality starts with the quality of the black&white photo.
About he actual color of the eyes, I based my assumption that the eyes are blue from my own family photos.

@Radub, I agree with you.

Posted by: Agarici August 12, 2011 07:14 am
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Taralunga was 16 when Serbanescu died. Is there any explanation as to how they "knew" each other?
"Bazu" was Constantin Cantacuzino's nickname. In as far as I know, Serbanescu's nickname was "Alecu".
Radu


Sorry about "Bâzu", my bad, posting after a long day - I meant Serbănescu. I corrected my post, thanks for pointing it out.

About how well they knew each other (if they did), I don't know that, but in that article Ţarălungă (the author) uses the first person, in plural, recalling seeing and admiring Serbănescu (at an aviation meeting, in the summer of 1944 at Tecuci, I think) in his not to tall but well built appearence, with his tall pilot boots, etc (and mentioning, in this context, his green eyes) considering him the prototype of a fighter pilot. So I deduced that he, at least, saw him in person.

IONIONESCU, your efforts and talent are worthy of admiration (mine included), and I said that already. I meant no harm with my post, just a humble suggestion. I might have been wrong, but only wanted to help.

Offtopic: I said "blue in blue" because the photo reminded me of the freemen's eyes from F. Herbert's "Dune" series.

Posted by: Ferdinand August 18, 2011 07:24 am
In memory of Serbanescu...

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Posted by: Cantacuzino August 18, 2011 09:40 am
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Another photo colored lately (unfortunately I couldn't find it in a better quality), I thought it is appropriate to post it here, also because
the date of 18 August is fast approaching.



Hello Mr Ion Ionescu, if you dont mind I 'v printed the coloured picture of Serbanescu and gave it to Mrs Arbanas ( president of "Fundatia Erou Alexandru Serbanescu" ) and to people present at the ceremony.


Pictures from today ceremony at Ghencea.

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Posted by: Cantacuzino August 18, 2011 09:56 am
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Hello Mr Ion Ionescu, if you dont mind I 'v printed the coloured picture of Serbanescu and gave it to Mrs Arbanas ( president of "Fundatia Erou Alexandru Serbanescu" ) and to people present at the ceremony.


And Serbanescu last wingman, G-ral Dobran .
In his hand the photo with him in the cockpit of Bf 109 G ( couloured by Mr Ion Ionescu)

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Posted by: ionionescu August 18, 2011 11:22 am
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if you dont mind I 'v printed the coloured picture of Serbanescu and gave it to Mrs Arbanas ( president of "Fundatia Erou Alexandru Serbanescu" ) and to people present at the ceremony
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And Serbanescu last wingman, G-ral Dobran .
In his hand the photo with him in the cockpit of Bf 109 G

Very good idea, I hope they like the colorization.
Thank you very much for the photos, appreciated!

Posted by: Cantacuzino August 18, 2011 01:18 pm
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Very good idea, I hope they like the colorization.
Thank you very much for the photos, appreciated!


They liked very much. Everybody wanted a coloured picture with Serbanescu.
Btw, Mrs. Arbanas and the foundation will publish a book for the next year when will be celebrated 100 year of Serbanescu birthday. She said that will be nice to use the colourized photo in the book.

Posted by: ionionescu August 18, 2011 01:32 pm
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They liked very much. Everybody wanted a coloured picture with Serbanescu.

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Btw, Mrs. Arbanas and the foundation will publish a book for the next year when will be celebrated 100 year of Serbanescu birthday. She said that will be nice to use the colourized photo in the book.

Of course, no problem, I can color other pictures too.
I tried to send you a PM but your PM box is full, I sent you an e-mail instead, please check your inbox, thank you.

Posted by: Cantacuzino August 18, 2012 01:56 pm

Gral Dobran was in a very good shape with his strong speach .
Another General was present with a interesting speach. It's about G-ral Av. Radu Theodoru well known aviation writer ( he was the first who wrote in his books about 9th group pilots including the death of Cpt Serbanescu).
He remember that was here (68 years back) at Serbanescu funerals as pilot student.

Also today The Acrobat Yakers team made 3 or 4 low flights over Ghencea to honour the memory of Cpt Serbanescu.




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Posted by: warunasanjaya2727 September 01, 2012 08:10 pm
I found out some details about Alexandru Şerbănescu. He was a important Romanian warrior pilot and flying champion in World War II. In the spring of 1942 he was appointed as a aviator to the 7th Fighter Group, which battled with the German groups who are organized to fight, in opposition to the Soviet Union on the Eastern Front, comprising Stalingrad. He carried out mission by air mostly IAR-80 and Messerchmitt Bf-109 fighters.
In memory of Alexandru Şerbănescu ........

Romanian top aces on one photo, from left: Constantin Cantacuzino (60), Ion Dicezare (5), Teodor Greceanu (27), Alexandru Şerbănescu (47), Ion Milu (45)[This is refering to the photo below].

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The best known Romanian aces were "Bazu" Cantacuzino (with 56 machines downed) and Alexander Serbanescu (47 machines downed). Both flew Me-109.

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Alexandru Şerbănescu 1944.

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These are the links from which I took the photos.
1.http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto/serban1.jpg
2.http://www.focusblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/1.jpg
3.http://honoretpatria.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/alexandru_serbanescu_1944_.jpg

Posted by: Bernard Miclescu September 01, 2012 09:08 pm
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Gral Dobran was in a very good shape with his strong speach .
Another General was present with a interesting speach. It's about G-ral Av. Radu Theodoru well known aviation writer ( he was the first who wrote in his books about 9th group pilots including the death of Cpt Serbanescu).
He remember that was here (68 years back) at Serbanescu funerals as pilot student.

Also today The Acrobat Yakers team made 3 or 4 low flights over Ghencea to honour the memory of Cpt Serbanescu.




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I wanted to add pictures but unfortunetly I can not use Image shack

I am sorry that i couldn't be there this year.

Hope there were some people there...

yours,
bm+

Posted by: ionionescu August 18, 2013 03:47 pm
August 18th, 1944 - August 18th, 2013. RIP Căpitan av. EROU Alexandru Șerbănescu!

Any pictures from today ceremony at Ghencea? Thanks!

Posted by: Agarici June 25, 2016 01:43 pm
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Is he the pilot that several books refer to as the one who always had technical problem shortly after the mission start at which point he rtb ?


Reshuffling an old topic, but also connected with my recent topic on Romanian Messerschmitt Bf 109 Gs, and with the needed grain of salt, without which we would be playing with a person's reputation: was that true, was it possible?

I think the reality of the Romanian fighter groups those days, confronted with swarms of attackers and seeing their comrades shut down was a horrific one, and no one has the right today to judge the behavior in such situations, but... wasn't that the case for a Court Martial trial, especially when the action was repeated?

Could it be caused by sheer terror? How come then he was sent to an elite fighter group, and not, say, to a fighter school, auxiliary unit, etc, especially under those circumstances? Were there other such instances, with some other pilots involved? What happened with Lt. Constantin Bendaș afterwards?

Posted by: Agarici July 11, 2016 08:44 pm

I know the issue raised above is complicated, but... no idea about that?

Posted by: Agarici July 27, 2016 08:22 pm

C-2, Denes, Radub, no suggestion?

Posted by: JohannesM March 23, 2019 11:19 am
Hi Guys

Regarding the photo with Ludwig Neubock, he was apparently severely injured on 6th April 1944 when on a transfer flight from Odessa to Tecuci, he was struck by a "storch" which sliced 90cm of his wing, his aircraft then plummeted 100 metres into the ground. Neubock first went to the Tucuci hospital, then transferred to Germany, he did not return to combat until August 1944 when he became Staffelkapitan of 11./JG52, seemed he made one claim whilst with 9th Romanian fighter group on 22nd February 1944 when he claimed(his 23rd) a Jak at 1215 hrs. So the photo should be prior to 6th April 1944.

Stengl made many claims during this period, but most were never confirmed:-

22nd February 1944 Jak- 1217 hrs Nr.2
30th May 1944 P-39 15km NW Lasi 0940 hrs Nr.3
31st May 1944 Il-2 20km NE Lasi 1140 hrs Nr.4
1st June 1944 P-39 15km NW Tudora 1125 hrs Nr.5
?? June 1944 P-38 Forcani area(without witness) u/c
11th June 1944 B-17 0955 hrs Nr.6
He then claims two further B-17's in July/August 1944, but they were not confirmed.
Regarding the P-38 he claimed, Stengl himself states that it was July1944, but I believe June 1944, he states that he was with three Romanain pilots and saw four P-38's below, he said "four against four, let's attack", so he dove down and shot down one of the four P-38's, but the Romanians did not follow him, so he was very angry because he lost the claim due to lack of a witness.

Can any body please tell me the dates the US had aircraft over Romania, and we might be able to establish a date for Stengl's P-38.


Kind Regards


Johannes


Posted by: Vici March 24, 2019 10:00 am
The US bombed Romania in 1944 almost exclusively with B-24s, and these were often escorted by P-38 and/or P-51
In June 1944 the US bombed on
6 June Ploiesti, Brasov, Galati
10 June Bucuresti, Ploiesti (P-38 only, raid at low level)
11 June Giurgiu, Constanta, Focsani
23 June Ploiesti, Giurgiu
24 June Ploiesti, Craiova, Piatra Olt
28 June Bucharest

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