here you can see Dan Antoniu pointing towards the plane number:
PS: the poster represents Dicezare shooting down a Pe2 in Stalingrad area.
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| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 21, 2004 10:33 am |
| For many years i've been searching the complete markings for DiCezare Bf-109E-3 " Hai Fetito" flown on eastern front in '41-'42. Rated as a good looking kit scale model. But i was not the only one. Many modelers around the world asking " What is the number on Bf-109E Hai Fetito ? " After I saw an TV interview of DiCezare and a visit to him the mistery was solved. Here is a picture from the wall in DiCezare's office room. |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 21, 2004 10:36 am |
| Yes, the number is "yellow 9". But the poor quality of the picture and ortocromatic film need someone with good eyes to see it. So i just made a contur to see more clear. |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 21, 2004 10:40 am |
| Here is a picture with "Hai Fetito" during the Stalingrad campaign. We can see the old markings color roundels under the wings that confirm it was from the first batch of 40 Bf-109 E received in 1940. |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 21, 2004 10:43 am |
| And a color profile of "Hai Fetito". Searching documents the werk number for Bf-109 E nr 9 "Hai Fetito" was 2486 |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 21, 2004 10:57 am |
| Di Cezare flew Bf 109 E nr 9 at the begining of operation Barbarosa in summer '41 winning his first victories with it. After a batlle damage the plane was return to ASAM Cotroceni for repairs. Meanwhile DiCezare for a short period flew other Bf-109 from the group (among them was nr "yellow 27") but theris no photo or document evidence that he painted "Hai Fetito' on these temporary planes. "Hai Fetito"( Go Girl ) was a racing Horse before the war. And DiCezare named his plane after it thinking it would bring luck for him . Documents stated the Bf-109E nr 9 heavy damaged was left at Karpovka airfield after the Stalingrad retrait. I rework the nice picture with Dicezare Bf 109 nr 9 instead of nr. 27 |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 21, 2004 11:01 am |
| And a picture with Bf-109 nr yellow 27 ( behind yellow 28 )flew temporary by Dicezare. But we can not see the cowling if something is written on. |
| Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu December 21, 2004 11:15 am |
| Indeed, when we made that poster for mr. Dicezare we wanted to find out what was the plane number, unfortunatelly nobody was sure so we used number 27.When we presented the gift to him, mr. Dan Antoniu showed to Dicezare the number on the plane and said we were not certain about it, mr. Dicezare said that it is correct, he also flew with number 27 but he also recalled flying with number 9 (as I remember he mentioned 09 :/ anyone knows why ?). here you can see Dan Antoniu pointing towards the plane number: PS: the poster represents Dicezare shooting down a Pe2 in Stalingrad area. |
| Posted by: alexkdl December 21, 2004 11:28 am |
| Here is a ceremonial to bless a new Roumanian ME-109 by Gen.Otto Dessloch along with ARR commanders . Al |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 21, 2004 11:41 am |
| Documents stated the Bf-109E nr 9 heavy damaged was left at Karpovka airfield after the Stalingrad retrait. |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino December 21, 2004 11:59 am | ||
Hey Mytzu, I am in the picture too ( on the right ) thanks I didn't noticed until know.Thanks DiCezare also mentioned he flew nr.7 but like I said these were probably only temporary mounts. |
| Posted by: Victor December 21, 2004 01:33 pm | ||
He was flying no. 27 when he was hit by AAA on 18 July 1941 and had to make a crash landing neare Husi. |
| Posted by: Dénes December 21, 2004 02:15 pm |
| I can confirm what Cantacuzino wrote about 'Hai Fetito!' (C'mon Lassie!). Nr. 9 was lost at Stalingrad, left behind at Karpovka a/f. Nr. 27 was still extant in early 1944, being under repair at ASAM. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: C-2 December 21, 2004 07:04 pm |
| Not so "on topic" but I think the story worth it. Dicesare just visitated me and I was with a pacient who is a helicopter pilot. I introduce them and Dicezare after telling the other pilot that the hates Helicopters,since they fall like a rock...he told us a short story: He had to fly someone(I forgot who) from Tiraspol to Tuzov. The Fleet they flew sudenly decided to became a glider and stoped the engine. Dicezare made a force landing between two lakes but the Fleet soped finaly in a water 1.5m deep.A peasant came with ox cart and took them directly from the cocpit.The airplane was left there(and my be there evan now). |
| Posted by: Dénes December 21, 2004 07:36 pm |
| Did Di Cesare ever think of writing his autobiography or telling to a writer the story of his life? Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: C-2 December 21, 2004 07:43 pm |
| I did asked him the same question,and said he wasn't interested. I do have about 120 min of video tape,with his memories,that hopefuly will be soon on the site. |
| Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu December 21, 2004 08:00 pm |
| Any chance of convincing him that romanian literature on ARR is very very poor compared to all other participants of WW2 ? And that romanian youth has no ideea about what those men had to get through ? His biography/memoires would be more then welcome, it would be a last great thing toward his country. |
| Posted by: alexkdl December 21, 2004 08:26 pm |
| Denes You just red my thoughts, I wonder on why Di cezare wouldnt write a biography on the automn of his life ? It will be so precious for many once he will leave us for a endless trip Al |
| Posted by: alexkdl December 21, 2004 09:24 pm |
| Denes , sorry I am off topics for a moment .... You are the expert ......here is my question.....was Alexander Vraciu the top scoring USN Pilot on the Pacific theather ( 19 air kills) of Roumanian decent eventhough he was born in Chicago ? Alex |
| Posted by: Dénes December 21, 2004 10:19 pm | ||
Yes, he was. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: C-2 December 21, 2004 11:16 pm | ||
Simply because he's to busy! He always doing something. Organizing trips for te members of "The air Ligue"-in diferent ocasions,till 98 he was head of a political party,he was member of the first goverment after 89,always on diferent receptions in Cotroceni,taking care of his two sisters(78,93) and so on and so on.... |
| Posted by: C-2 December 21, 2004 11:17 pm |
Lucky guy,isn't he?  |
| Posted by: alexkdl December 22, 2004 11:16 am |
| C-2 yes and you are right but as Denes emphasised maybe he should be convinced to to write something...thanks again for the greetings , how would you spend your X-Mas ? Let me know Best Wishes Alex |
| Posted by: Victor December 22, 2004 03:38 pm | ||
Did he mention the exact date? Ask him again and write down the date and the name of the passenger. |
| Posted by: Dénes December 22, 2004 05:30 pm | ||
If you want to see a really lucky ARR pilot, check out the photo shown on p. 19 of my Osprey book on ARR Aces, depicting Adj. maj. av. Burileanu staring at the hole in his canopy, made by a Soviet bullet, passing just millimeters behind where his head was in combat... Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: C-2 December 22, 2004 08:25 pm |
| The most lucky is in, my opinion,Costin Georgescu. |
| Posted by: Dénes December 22, 2004 09:04 pm |
| Not so lucky. He lost an arm. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: C-2 December 23, 2004 09:05 pm |
| To loose an arm during a combat mission and not to die in 30-40 sec,to land near a hospital,and to be taken to surgery in front of hundreds of other wonded soldiers(by a Finnish nurse)-that's what I call real luck. In the photo Costin Georgescu ,on the right.He's Dicesare best friend. On the left Marinescu (Ju 52). |
| Posted by: Victor December 24, 2004 08:05 am |
| IMO, one of the luckiest was adj. av. Gheorghe Zamfir, from the 8th Assault Group, who was shot down three times on 6 October 1943. And he got away without a scratch. |
| Posted by: alexkdl December 24, 2004 04:10 pm |
| Victor assault Grp is it understood the Henschel HS-129 twin air to ground aircrafts or other types too? Did he ever received the golden silk worm pin from Martin Baker ? Is he alive ? Merry X-Mas Alex |
| Posted by: Victor December 24, 2004 04:45 pm |
| Yes, the http://www.worldwar2.ro/arr/g8as.htm was equipped with Hs-129B2 aircraft. I do not know if he is still alive. |
| Posted by: alexkdl December 24, 2004 11:23 pm |
| yes indeed I saw the ARR link that quite longer time ago, I thought that except the Henschels they had other models too Thanks again Alex |
| Posted by: C-2 February 11, 2005 10:46 pm |
| Since the topic is about Dicezare,I want to tell a funny story... When Popistenu Alexandru,was organizing thee 7-th fighters grup,he was choosing his pilots not only by their flying capabilities,but also by their good looking,good maners,their families(Popisteanu was from a welthy and well known family)etc etc. When the rezervists came to join the grup,they were lined up in front of AP in order to present themselfs. When Dicezare's turn came,he saluted and said:"Lt Ion Dicezare sir..." Since the name Dicezare is not a comun one,AP,undestood something like "Cezare" with a Di in front... He looked angry at ID and asked;:How would it sound if my name would be DIPOPISTEANU?..." After some explanations,things got cool. |
| Posted by: Victor February 12, 2005 10:31 am |
He probably said Slt. Dicezare, not Lt.  |
| Posted by: C-2 February 12, 2005 07:49 pm |
More likely GENERAL Dicezare  |
| Posted by: Dénes February 16, 2005 12:54 am |
| Below is an unpublished photo of No. 9, without the 'Hai Fetito!' inscription on the engine cowling. The quality is rather poor, as the airplane was cut out from a larger photo, originally taken by a German soldier. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino February 16, 2005 08:43 am | ||
This particular picture of the Bf109E was before Operation Barbarosa and had the old markings : roundels instead Michael cross and narrow squadron strips. As i mentioned before number 9 was from the first batch of Emil's received in 1940. |
| Posted by: Dénes February 16, 2005 02:06 pm | ||
No contradiction here.  Still, it's nice to see an early photo of No. 9, without the inscription, isn't it? Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino March 22, 2005 09:58 am |
| Below it's the victories list of Lt. DiCezare Ion compiled by Denes Bernard. I wonder where Denes got the info about Bf-109 E nr 9 in 2002. Dan. |
| Posted by: C-2 March 22, 2005 07:01 pm |
| That's the list I was talking about! Denes where did you get this info? |
| Posted by: C-2 July 07, 2005 07:53 pm |
| A lucky Dicezare with 109 E "Hai Fetito" after a dog fight with Yaks. Like he said "if my speed was only with a fraction slower,I wouldn't be around..." http://www.imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Dénes July 07, 2005 08:29 pm |
| 'White 38' was not an 'Emil' but a 'Gustav', more precisely Bf 109G-2, Werknummer 13845. It could still bear the name 'Hai fetito!' though. Can you ask him about this detail? Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: C-2 July 08, 2005 07:52 pm |
| Not much details... A dog fight with Yaks. Dicesare saw only after landing the "marks".He didn't felt anything. Once he saw a Yak on 9 o'clock,but he didn't felt the hits. |
| Posted by: C-2 July 08, 2005 07:56 pm |
| Al his planes beard the name "hai fetita". Btw,the photos with unknown pilots you e mailed me a long time ago,I gave them tuday to Stinghe for some homeworks,,, I'll let you know tomorow. |
| Posted by: C-2 July 13, 2005 07:51 pm | ||
1943 Marinovska airfield. |
| Posted by: C-2 July 14, 2005 06:38 pm |
| I asked Dicezare about "Hai Fetito" and he said that he wouldn't fly a 109 that wasn't first painted with "Hai fetito" and his personal monogram(IDC). Superstition I guess.... |
| Posted by: Tomasz Kopanski July 22, 2005 05:17 pm |
| One more photo, this time from my collection, showing Bf 109E of Lt. Ioan DiCezare. The plane hasn't wings and the propeller is damaged. T. Kopanski  |
| Posted by: Dénes July 22, 2005 06:03 pm |
| Very nice photo, Tomasz. Thanks for sharing. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: C-2 July 22, 2005 07:01 pm |
| I just called Dicesare and asked him about the photo. It's in Husi,at the begining of the war. He came to land but the landing gear wouldn't come out. He tried some "hard mooves " in order to take the l.g out but in vain. After talking by radio, a fireman truck wus present and he made a belly landing dammaging only the propelor. The wings were taking out in order to fix the hidraulic mecanism . (Before that the plane was raised with a crane and the L.G taken out). |
| Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu July 22, 2005 08:50 pm |
| I think it would be fasciating to make an album (like mr. Dobran said) with pictures explained - like this one... I mean to also have the story behind the picture. |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino July 24, 2005 07:17 pm | ||
I doubt that DiCezare remember force landing at Husi with Bf 109 E nr.9. From doc. archiv it is stated that Di Cezare made force landing at Husi airfield with Bf 109 E nr 27 ( not 9). The picture could be taken at Karpovka after 7thFG retrait. The guy looking in the cockpit could be russian soldier . The Bf109 E nr 9 was left damaged at Karpovka after 7th FG escaped from Stalingrad encirclement. So probably was captured by soviets who took the picture. |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino July 24, 2005 07:24 pm |
| Tomasz what is the origin of this picture. Russian or from German sources. From Romanian sources it's definetly not. Maybe so we can indentify who is the guy looking in the cockpit ( a russian or a german) |
| Posted by: Dénes July 24, 2005 07:43 pm |
| Cantacuzino has a point here. DiCesare indeed belly landed aboard No. 27. On another hand, No. 9 was indeed lost in the Stalingrad Campaign... Perhaps Tomasz can give us details on the origin of the photo. I have a photo from Soviet sources that shows an ARR Bf 109E, with the name 'Don Pedro' on the cowling. So the Soviets did photograph the airplanes captured at Karpovka... Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino July 24, 2005 08:11 pm | ||
Denes, what is the number written on fuselage of " Don Pedro" on this photo from soviet sources ? |
| Posted by: Dénes July 25, 2005 01:56 am | ||
Unfortunately, it's not visible. I would like to know it, too. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Tomasz Kopanski July 25, 2005 07:43 pm |
| The last photo of “Hai Fetito” (with damaged propeller) came from Germany together with the other photos of German soldiers and aeroplanes. It means that it isn’t machine captured by Russians, but the aircraft photographed on Axis airfield by German soldier. My photo is not "oryginal" old photograph, but it is modern copy taken from original WWII Geman negative. Greetings, Tomasz |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino July 26, 2005 06:00 am | ||
So the photo was taken in a german werft ( somewhere in Russia) and the guy looking in the cockpit is german ( as his quality boots convince me). |
| Posted by: C-2 December 30, 2005 04:49 pm |
| http://imageshack.us Pipera airfield summer(Iuine) 1944. On the "G" Soldat in termen,Dumitrescu.He was Dicesare's mechanic ,from the Odessa campain,till Sept 1944. The painter's name -Lovinescu,was working for ASAM Pipera. The dog was not a mascot,just an "airfield dog". The young lady is Nela Munteanu.Lives today in Pajura. |
| Posted by: Treize January 04, 2006 07:51 pm |
    Not all at the same stage of completion, but a skin of Hai Fetito that I am working on for the Aces High flight sim. |
| Posted by: Dénes January 04, 2006 09:18 pm |
| A small note: No. 9 had rounded, not square, cockpit canopy (although they were interchangeable). Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Treize January 04, 2006 09:30 pm |
| Wish we had the rounded canopy... |