Source: Romanian Coins
At the initiative of the municipality of Iaşi, a similar monument was made by Constantin Crenganiş in the late 1990s and was inaugurated on 1 December 1999 in the Nation’s Square in front of the University of Medicine.
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| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:25 pm |
| http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1736 gave me the idea of this new topic: Monuments that no longer exist. The idea is to post here photos of old monuments which existed in the pre-WWII cities of Romania and which were removed/destroyed during the war or when the change in regime/administration took place. It would be interesting to have some information about the authors of the statues, their original locations and the eventual faith of these monuments. I am referring only to monuments as statuary groups. Other monuments such as buildings (architectural monuments) should be included in a separate topic. |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:27 pm |
| The monument of Reunited Romania made by Olga Sturza (27 September 1884 - 10 July 1971) and donated to the city of Iaşi on 1 August 1924. It was placed at the foot of Copou hill and inaugurated on 29 May 1927. Shortly after the Soviet troops entered Iaşi in 1944 the monument was hammered beyond recognition. The remains were eventually demolished in 1947. Source: Romanian Coins At the initiative of the municipality of Iaşi, a similar monument was made by Constantin Crenganiş in the late 1990s and was inaugurated on 1 December 1999 in the Nation’s Square in front of the University of Medicine. |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:30 pm |
| The statue of Gheorghe Gh. Mârzescu (1876-1926) in Iaşi, inaugurated on 27 September 1936 in the Cuza Vodă Square (nowadays 14 December 1989 Square). Member of the National Liberal Party, Mârzescu was considered responsible for actions against both the legionaries and the communists in the 1920s. It may therefore be possible that his statue was dismantled as early as the autumn of 1940, during the legionary rule. Source: Realitatea Ilustrată |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:32 pm |
Statue of King Carol I in Bucharest, made by Ivan Mestrovic (1883-1962) and inaugurated on 9 May 1939 in front of the building of the Academic Foundation Carol I. Orginally http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1778&view=findpost&p=22985 by Cantacuzino |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:35 pm |
Another view of the Bucharest statue of King Carol I by Ivan Mestrovic. Originally http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1736&view=findpost&p=24696 by Fratello |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:40 pm |
The monument of the Heroes of the Teaching Staff made by Artur Verona (1868-1946) and Ion Jalea (1887-1983). In 1930 it was placed in the Victory Square in Bucharest. Originally http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1736&view=findpost&p=24573 by Fratello |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:43 pm |
The monument of the Heroes of Infantry in Bucharest. Originally http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1736&view=findpost&p=24566 by Fratello |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:45 pm |
The statue of King Carol I in Craiova by D. Pavelescu-Dimo, inaugurated in 1912. http://www.geocities.com/marius_dobrin/history_10mai.html |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:49 pm |
Scale model of the statue of King Carol I in Craiova by D. Pavelescu-Dimo. Source: http://www.craiova.ro/muzist.htm |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:51 pm |
The statue of King Ferdinand I in Oradea, made by Mihai Kara and inaugurated on 21 November 1924 in the Union Square. Dismantled by the Hungarian authorities in 1940, the pieces were transferred to Beiuş where they degraded in time. On its place it is now the statue of Michael the Brave. http://members.fortunecity.com/indigp/oradea.htm |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:52 pm |
| The statue of Queen Maria in front of the theatre in Oradea (in place of the statue of the Hungarian vaudeville author Szigligeti Ede), inaugurated in 1921. Dismantled by the Hungarian authorities in 1940, its place was taken by the statue of Szigligeti Ede (made by Margo Ede in 1912). Source: Historia |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:53 pm |
| The statue of Carol II in Oradea inaugurated in 1937 and dismantled by the Hungarian authorities in 1940. Source: Historia |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:55 pm |
| The monument of King Ferdinand in Orăştie. Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:57 pm |
| The Monument of the Heroes in Reni (now in Ukraine), most certainly demolished after the Soviet occupation of Bessarabia in the summer of 1940. Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 08:57 pm |
| One more photo with the monument in Reni, said to have been taken during the inauguration ceremony which took place in the presence of King Carol II. Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I February 28, 2005 09:02 pm |
The monument of I. C. Brătianu in the Brătianu Square (nowadays University Square) in Bucharest. Originally http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1736&view=findpost&p=27729 by Barbosu |
| Posted by: Dénes February 28, 2005 09:17 pm |
| I don't know if non-Rumanian monuments erected on the current territory of Rumania qualify for this thread. Anyhow, I post one such statue and if there is interest, I can post some more. The statue of Lajos Kossuth, prominent Hungarian leader of the 1848/1848 Revolution, was erected in what is currently Tg. Mures (back then, it was known as Marosvásárhely, in Hungarian, or Neumarkt, in German), on May 23, 1899. Kossuth was the first citizen of honour of the city. The statue was demolished by the new Rumanian authorities on March 28, 1919. In the same location a Rumanian Orthodox church has been erected. The bronze scrap material was used to cast several eagles adorning various Rumanian monuments. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Fratello March 01, 2005 11:21 am |
| [/QUOTE Statue of King Carol I in Bucharest, made by Ivan Mestrovic (1883-1962) and inaugurated on 9 May 1939 in front of the building of the Academic Foundation Carol I. [/QUOTE] Another view with Statue of King Carol I from Bucharest |
| Posted by: Fratello March 01, 2005 11:26 am |
| Idem |
| Posted by: Fratello March 01, 2005 11:33 am | ||
another view with the monument of I.C. Brătianu from the Brătianu Square |
| Posted by: Fratello March 01, 2005 11:35 am |
| Idem |
| Posted by: Fratello March 01, 2005 11:38 am |
| I.C. Brătianu Monument. B-dul Carol I |
| Posted by: Fratello March 01, 2005 11:39 am |
| Idem |
| Posted by: Fratello March 01, 2005 11:41 am |
| Idem |
| Posted by: Fratello March 01, 2005 11:42 am |
| Idem |
| Posted by: Fratello March 01, 2005 11:46 am |
| Take Ionescu Monument |
| Posted by: Barbosu March 02, 2005 09:47 am |
| Interesting topic. If we could ad the story of each monument gone - like Carol did - it would be better. I hope I'll contribute. |
| Posted by: Carol I March 02, 2005 11:47 am | ||
What do you mean by non-Romanian monuments? Made by a non-Romanian artist? The Bucharest statue of king Carol I would then qualify as a non-Romanian monument being made by the Croat Ivan Mestrovic. Still its place is on this thread as being a monument which existed in one pre-WWII city of Romania. So, welcome to the topic. |
| Posted by: Carol I March 02, 2005 11:51 am | ||
From what city? |
| Posted by: Carol I March 02, 2005 11:52 am | ||
Thanks. Looking forward to seeing your posts. |
| Posted by: Fratello March 03, 2005 06:33 pm | ||
Bucharest of course |
| Posted by: Dénes March 04, 2005 05:11 pm | ||||
No, Carol. What I meant is monuments that show non-Rumanian topic/figures, erected by non-Rumanians, but on the territory of today's Rumania, which were destroyed/demolished. The artists' nationality is irrelevant. I posted an example above. If there is interest, I can post some more. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Carol I March 10, 2005 06:52 pm | ||
Dénes, I understand what you meant, but it is highly irrelevant from my point of view. Monuments are sometimes described as "urban furniture" (yes, like benches and light posts, the difference being the touch of an artist). Therefore their "nationality" is meaningless because they belong to the city in which they are. As such, all monuments which existed in the pre-WWII cities and towns of Romania (not only nowadays Romania) were as Romanian as the city to which they belonged. I cannot understand your point of taking something out of the ordinary. Anyhow, we could continue like that for ages, but the discussion on the "nationality" of monuments is both meaningless/irrelevant and off-topic. I will therefore stop here and wish you again "welcome on this topic". P.S. As you probably know, sometimes a monument can be removed without the violence implied by "destroyed/demolished". |
| Posted by: Dénes March 16, 2005 05:37 pm |
| Below is the photo of an unidentified W.W. 1-era German war cemetery in Rumania, with a large monument in centre. Does anyone know where it is/was and if it still exists? Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Carol I May 05, 2005 07:14 pm |
The monument of Lascăr Catargiu in Bucharest. Source: http://www.ampt.ro/projects.php |
| Posted by: Carol I May 06, 2005 09:50 pm |
The Monument of the Union in Cernăuţi (now in Ukraine) by Teodor Burca and Victor Ştefănescu. Inaugurated on 11 November 1924, it was demolished after the Soviet occupation of Northern Bukovina in the summer of 1940. Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I May 15, 2005 10:23 pm |
The statue of Queen Maria in front of the theatre in Oradea, inaugurated in 1921 and dismantled by the Hungarian authorities in 1940. Source: eBay |
| Posted by: Carol I May 31, 2005 06:55 pm |
The Monument of I. C. Brătianu in front of the "Independenţa" Secondary School (nowadays Public School no. 2) in Calafat. Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I June 13, 2005 08:34 pm |
The statue of King Carol I by D. Pavelescu-Dimo, inaugurated in 1912 in Craiova. Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Dénes June 28, 2005 03:22 am |
| An article in Adevarul daily (in Rumanian) about a 100-year-old monument that was disassembled in 1957 and will be re-erected in Arad: http://www.adevarulonline.ro/index.jsp?page=articol§ion_id=1&article_id=137978  Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Carol I July 26, 2005 11:11 pm |
The monument of Lascăr Catargiu in Bucharest Originally http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1736&view=findpost&p=27764 by Barbosu |
| Posted by: Carol I October 31, 2005 08:29 pm | ||
The Mârzescu monument was indeed dismantled in the early 1940s as on 18 October 1942 the statue of A.D. Xenopol by C. Baraschi was raised on its place.  Source: http://www.dntis.ro/romania/iasi/iasi4.html |
| Posted by: Carol I November 11, 2005 11:57 am |
The Lupa Capitolina statue in Chişinău. In the 1920s the Italian State donated copies of the original statue in Rome that were placed in several Romanian cities to symbolise the Latin origin of the Romanian people and the unity of the country. The monument in Chişinău was inaugurated in 1923 in front of the building that in 1918 housed the Council of the Land (Sfatul Ţării) which decided the union of Bessarabia with Romania. The monument was destroyed after the Soviet occupation of Bessarabia in the summer of 1940. Source: Romanian Coins It took 50 years until a similar monument appeared in Chişinău. On 1 December 1990, as a result of the actions for emancipation and independence of the people in Bessarabia, a new Lupa Capitolina monument was unveiled on the same spot in front of the old Sfatul Ţării building (nowadays the National History Museum of the Republic of Moldavia). The monument, a donation of the Romanian Orthodox Church, is a copy of the statue in Bucharest donated to the Romanian state in 1906.  Source: http://www.monument.md/sculptura/compozitii_monumentale/58/ |
| Posted by: Dénes November 16, 2005 03:33 pm |
| Here is a postcard issued in 1940, depicting Ploesti (notice the proper period spelling!). [Photo taken from eBay]. Does 'Monumentul vanatorilor' still exist? Gen. Dénes  |
| Posted by: Carol I November 16, 2005 03:53 pm | ||
Yes, it does, although not on the original spot in the photo: http://www.ploiesti.ro/monumentul%20vanatorilor.php Source: http://www.ploiesti.ro/monumentul%20vanatorilor.php |
| Posted by: Carol I November 28, 2005 03:04 pm | ||
 Source: http://museum.ici.ro/ |
| Posted by: Dénes June 21, 2006 02:57 pm |
Monument of German mountain troops, erected in the Red Tower Pass, in Transylvanian Alps, during W.W. 1. [From eBay] Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: BG7M September 27, 2006 08:30 pm | ||
This statue actually is in Union Square (Piata Unirii) in Timisoara, and it was always there... |
| Posted by: mateias January 09, 2008 05:53 pm |
| I wonder if someone finds the statue of gen. Stan Poetas, killed by the Bolcheviks at Atachi, near Hotin. It was destroyed by the Soviet Army in 1940 when retaking Bessarabia and northern Bukowina (the latter never theirs). |
| Posted by: Dénes September 10, 2008 08:29 pm |
| Whatever happened to this monument? All I know for sure it doesn't exist any more.  [Source: vatera.hu] Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: bansaraba September 10, 2008 11:11 pm |
| Long story short: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%A2mpa,_Bra%C5%9Fov#History More info in Romanian here: http://www.itcnet.ro/history/archive/mi2001/current6/mi40.htm Or the English version, made with google's language tools: http://66.102.9.104/translate_c?hl=EN&sl=ro&tl=en&u=http://www.itcnet.ro/history/archive/mi2001/current6/mi40.htm&usg=ALkJrhj_aw55r8eoRZoifse_jIYA6y_LDQ (bad translation, but one should get a minimal idea about the subject) |
| Posted by: Tyke September 11, 2008 10:28 pm |
| Another view of the Arpad Monument, from the opposite side. The lightning conductor rod can be seen running down the right of the column, encased in a conduit at the base. http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arpaddr8.jpg A postcard showing the ruined base of the Arpad Monument. The card is undated but has stamps of King Ferdinand and a postmark that is slightly indistinct but looks like 1924. http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/img148/arpadruinml3.jpg/1/ |
| Posted by: Tyke September 12, 2008 11:26 pm | ||
Two more old postcards showing the Carol I monument in Craiova commemorating independence in 1878. http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=craiovamon2hp8.jpg http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=craiovamon1ql2.jpg The monument was located in Parcul Romanescu (previously Parcul Poporului and Parc Bibescu). It was destroyed in 1948 (1). The inauguration of the monument in 1912 was marked by this 33 mm diameter medal, designed by Menachem Carniol Jr. (2). http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/img99/craiovamonmedou9.jpg/1/ References: 1, "Gradinile si Parcurile Craiovei", C. Avram et al, Editura de Sud, Craiova, 1999. 2, "Royal Effigies on Romanian Medals", CD-Rom, Noi Media Print, Bucuresti, 2000. |
| Posted by: 21 inf January 02, 2011 07:28 am | ||
This statue was rebuilt in 2010 and put in Piaţa Palatulului, Bucharest. Inaugurated on 6th December 2010. |
| Posted by: contras January 05, 2011 12:54 pm |
| Statuia Eroului Necunoscut (Unknown Hero Statue) from Satu Mare was inaugurated in 1st December 1922 and it was demolished and disapear during hortyst ocupation. http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6927/statuieerounecunoscutsm.jpg |
| Posted by: contras January 05, 2011 12:58 pm |
| http://img801.imageshack.us/i/statuieerounecunoscutsm.jpg/ Uploaded with http://imageshack.us For details, and another two disaperead monuments in Satu Mare, see page 3 from here: http://www.informatia-zilei.ro/new/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/IZD-21.11.2010.pdf |
| Posted by: bansaraba January 05, 2011 04:34 pm |
| From Brasov: Arpad's archer statue, on top of Tampa Mt. (1896), see above. Monument of the Dorobanţ, in Livada Postei (192?):  The cemetery of WWI heroes of "Transeea Mortii", Bartolomeu (1921), although the monument still exists:   The statue of Stalin, by the Post Office Palace (2 versions, first one of unknown rock or plaster - c. 1950-51, second of bronze - shortly after) :  The monument of the Soviet soldier, in the central park (c. 1951), statue moved to the cemetery of soviet heroes in Bartolomeu:  |
| Posted by: 21 inf January 05, 2011 05:17 pm | ||
I wrote this article http://enciclopediaromaniei.ro/wiki/Monumentul_Soldatul_rom%C3%A2n_din_Satu_Mare about the statue mentioned above. Contras, do you have a copy free photo about this monument, to be put on the article from Enciclopedia Romaniei? If you do, please sent it to my email. Thanks! |
| Posted by: muggs August 29, 2011 06:49 am |
| I'm not sure that this monument does not exist anymore so excuse my ignorance ( i didn't want to open a new thread aswell ) it's in a grouping on ebay with other pictures from Romania and some balkan countries so it might aswell not even be romanian, but does anyone have any clue about it ? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/monut.jpg/ Uploaded with http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: contras August 30, 2011 06:07 am | ||
I heard (unnoficially) from ome historians that this statue was destroyed nou in 1940, but in 1944. In 1940 was used to chain the "antibolshevik" Romanians. Some people said that it is a project to be rebuilded near Atachi, where it was. |
