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| Posted by: lucian April 27, 2007 08:54 pm |
| Sorry for my english. I am born there. My father was army man/technical support (1954-1958). Today, everthing is damaged or dawn. In "AVIATIA DE LUPTA REACTIVA IN ROMANIA-cdr. Paul Sandachi), I red abaut it, and was one of the first air base for jets (the beautiful Mig-15). Some people of Silistea Gumesti told me, that, the A.B. was made only with "lipoveni" in 1950 (aprox.). I think, that air base was made for russian air force. For scramble. Runway is very large (my opinion). Can someone give me more information about it? A complete/little history? Paradoxical, between born and death of air base, was only ten years: 1950-1960. Thanks |
| Posted by: Zapacitu May 06, 2007 03:04 pm |
| Well, it was built by "lipoveni" because these are ethnics of ucrainian-origin living in the Danube Delta. Obviously the Soviet engineers could communicate better with them than with Romanians during the construction. A Soviet fighter regiment was stationed there, as well as a Romanian one, the 125th Jet Fighter Regiment equipped with S-102 – (MiG-15 produced under license in Czechoslovakia) and MiG-15 UTI. As you probably know, the Soviet troops left Romania in 1958 and by 1959, the 125th Regiment was re-designated the 49th Reg. and moved at Alexeni – a base also previously used by the VVS. Apart from the Soviet withdrawal, another reason for the base’s demise was the strategical shift in the late 50’s : Tito’s Yugoslavia was no longer the main enemy – as in the early 50’s, but NATO’s south flank – Greece and Turkey. Accordingly, the bases in S-E Romania (Fetesti, Ianca, Alexeni, MK) were given more attention to the expense of the prermier-fighter bases from the early 50’s (Caransebes, Balaci, Deveselu, …) Would you happen to have any pictures of the base? Any buildings still standing? |
| Posted by: lucian May 07, 2007 09:21 am |
| I think that is logically. But my father don't tell me something about soviet pilots. I have a lot of pictures, almost all bildings. In a few days I'll put here with some commentary. |
| Posted by: lucian May 07, 2007 01:36 pm |
| It's the run way and "buta". |
| Posted by: lucian May 07, 2007 07:09 pm |
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| Posted by: Dénes May 07, 2007 08:00 pm |
| <img src=http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=balaci002xh9.jpg> Sorry, I tried to help, but it didn't work for me, either. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: dragos May 08, 2007 08:38 am |
| Use the "direct link to the image" from ImageShack. |
| Posted by: Victor May 08, 2007 11:26 am |
| I have edited the post. In the future please do as Dragos recommended. |
| Posted by: lucian May 08, 2007 12:38 pm |
| Ok ! Thanks |
| Posted by: lucian May 08, 2007 10:13 pm |
| In fallowing order (up left-raight and down left-raight): 1. "bretela" along runway and "biuta" for fix the gun. 2. the alley to hangar and pilot alarming house (I think). There are two, in each head of runway 3. hangar (still alive) 4. the alley, between "bretela" and runway at the head of runway. Here is the place for planes in alarm state. You can see hangar, and alarming house (pic2) http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: lucian May 08, 2007 10:29 pm |
| The same order. 1. the room for diesel electric generator (two) and his electric panel in 2002. 2. the house for... 3. the same room in 2006 4. the warehouse. Typical for soviet A.B. in 1950-1960. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: lucian May 08, 2007 10:54 pm |
| The air man village. 1. Alley between military base and village. In left side, pole 1 and 2 is the yard of base, and, in front the way to air base. 2. The village. 3. The pilot block ...mom' told me (?) 4. ....here in corner (apartment) I saw for the first time, the sun. http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: lucian May 08, 2007 11:26 pm |
| 1. Exit of military base. In left side a interesting building (and typical). Someone can tell as, what it is. 2. Ceck point ; front entrance in air base. Between "typical building" and ceck point, there are 5-600 meters. 3. I suppose, brieffing house. Now......bedroom for priest! 4. (storage) battery hall. For planes. Now is church....(oh got!) P.S. That priests pull down many buildings of air base, and sell the material. Both, pilots and priests look to the same sky, but with different thought........ http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: lucian May 09, 2007 05:54 pm |
| Some buildings in military base, regarding air base. 1. Bild. 1 and 2 2. Bild. 2 (and bild.1 in back side) 3. the inside of bild. 2 (I hav not pictures with bild.3) 4. The mess. http://imageshack.us This construction was build with an high level quality. Adapted for local condition of climate: rain, snow and heat. Carefully to details. |
| Posted by: lucian May 09, 2007 07:02 pm |
| Last but one. Services buildings. 1. Shop 2. Garages 3. Workshop (carpentry, mechanics, depot) 4. Cinema http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: lucian May 09, 2007 08:04 pm |
| The last one. Fuel depot. 1. Tanktruk alley. Fuel tanks, valve and railway in left side. 2. Office 3. View from office to hangar, battery hall and brieffing house 4. Pool for hydrants water. http://imageshack.us That's all. If someone was in this place, or can explain the destination of buildings, or has some pictures from time, I beg to add something here. Many thanks (and a beer...). Other buildings, like garage office, bath, thermic and electric generators, second alarming house, flight tower, radar/transmition station, amunition depot, fire utility and hospital was put down. Arhitectural and sociological A.B. Balaci ( Google earth- N 40 km. from Rosiorii de Vede/Teleorman) is an perfect samples of russian air base after war. It's absolutely independent and autonomus. I belived, that Siberia is full of this kind of air and military base. Also, I see a lot of pictures with old american air base in Pacific islands(Wikipedia). Same history. Same sad HISTORY. "C'est la vie!" |
| Posted by: ANDI May 09, 2007 08:42 pm |
| This is off-topic maybe but these buildings, actually this type of post-war soviet-romanian architecture is very similar with the one from Alexeni airfield. I have seen the Alexeni air base and I can say is at least 80% similarity which makes me think they were type like - designs. Too bad they are deserted and left to weeds. |
| Posted by: lucian May 09, 2007 09:28 pm |
| ZAPACITU tell de same things. This air base was made for soviet at the time. Both, and Balaci I am shure was built by "lipoveni" with cart/waggon and horse. Deveselu was build by romanian in the same mod. I hope in this summer, to take a litle "interviu" from a man who lived here from beghining, and who knews all history. I hope he is still alive. Mr. ROSU from Silistea-Gumesti. I'll paid the information with "tuica din ardeal". It is a promise (2005). And about leaving, I'm looking to this poin of view, what we can do? Airplanes, we have a few, the new one will be in a small number, cool war ended, .....I don't know. Balaci is very nice for me, but wherefore? Some pictures about Alexeeni? |
| Posted by: Zapacitu May 10, 2007 02:45 pm |
| Very interesting pictures and comments, Lucian! Indeed it is sad to see it derelict. It's too far away from any important city to make an airclub there, but at least it could be used by agricultural planes. Sorry, I don't have any additional information about Balaci AB. But I do have a few pictures from Alexeni. Source is Aviatia.ro: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aviatia/ taken in 2002: http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us http://imageshack.us and one from 2004 http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: lucian May 10, 2007 07:22 pm |
| Many, many thanks. It's good a "stejar-ursus" from Cluj? The last pictures fantastic, and thanks again for addres. I found somethings interesant for me about Balaci. |
| Posted by: lucian May 10, 2007 07:37 pm |
| Many, many thanks. It's good a "stejar-ursus" from Cluj? The last pictures is fantastic, and thanks again for addres. I found somethings (and someone) interesant for me, about Balaci. And more important, we (in Romania) have many peoples interested about aviation. We have a lot of "site-uri" with this subject. Now, I knew this. |
| Posted by: Zapacitu May 12, 2007 10:22 am | ||
On the contrary, I think there is very little information about post-ww2 military aviation in our country. Most people don't care, and those that know don't bother to publish anything. I've made a small contribution in that direction - I wrote 3 short articles about the RoAF in general between 1950-2006 http://www.scramble.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Romanian_Air_Force about the IAR-99 http://www.scramble.nl/wiki/index.php?title=IAR-99 and about the IAR-823 http://www.scramble.nl/wiki/index.php?title=IAR-823 I hope there will be one on the IAR-93 soon - if I only had more free time. Sorry for the shameless self-promotion, but I thought some people may be interested - even if the theme of this site is WW2. Any feedback, criticism, adittional info is welcome. |
| Posted by: lucian May 12, 2007 08:03 pm |
| Yes, indeed. I like this forum. Seems to be more rigorously. Criticism, ... when I grow up, a little... For me, the airplanes from 1940-1945 (propeller) and 1950-1960 (jets) were the most beautiful. After, too much technology. Of course, I am subjective. This year, I hope to make some picture with airfield Rosiorii de Vede today, faund old pictures and somethings written, for a little topic here. |
| Posted by: cipiamon August 07, 2007 10:09 am | ||
Intresting, how is the resurch going? |
| Posted by: lucian August 07, 2007 10:36 am |
| I hope, end of september-octomber. It's a very good time for pictures. |
| Posted by: guina August 08, 2007 12:39 pm |
| Hi, One small detail In 1946 its name was changed to "People's Republic of Romania Air Force". In 1946 Romania was still a Kingdom,the republic was proclaimed by comunists on 30.12.1947 |
| Posted by: lucian August 08, 2007 09:01 pm |
| guina, the question is about this topic? I think, this is a mistake. I am sorry. Perhaps, someone can help as.... |
| Posted by: guina August 09, 2007 02:19 pm |
| http://www.scramble.nl/wiki/index.php?titl...anian_Air_Force Yeah,that statement was made in the article about post war Romanian Air Force. See above! |
| Posted by: guina August 09, 2007 02:24 pm |
| Lucian, I was refering to mr. Zapacitus posting! Keep up the good work! |
| Posted by: lucian August 09, 2007 07:49 pm |
| Yes, it's ok now. Very interstig www.scramble.nl. I read some things there. I hope to keep my promission abaut AB Rosiori. lucian |
| Posted by: aztec July 11, 2008 02:54 pm |
| Some aerial picture of A.B Balaci, known as Aeroportul Balaci sau Aeroportul Silistea Gumesti. If you want some datalied building, tem me and i post-it some.. Sorry for big size, but is detalied http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bazaaerianabalacimicwp8.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=299&i=bazaaerianabalacimicwp8.jpg http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bazaaerianabalaciyd2.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=299&i=bazaaerianabalaciyd2.jpg |
| Posted by: lucian July 11, 2008 06:43 pm |
| Yes. How accuracy. When and how get this pictures ? Everything is green. In both side of runway I see the place (?) for lights. When I was there "in foot" I don't see. Hope to check soon. An interesting detail. Under second (from left) "bretela" intersection there are six holes. Place for AA, I seen. But after last right "bretela"(to Silistea) I see seven little holes, one in middle, six in round. Possible second AA location ? Thanks. |
| Posted by: aztec July 11, 2008 06:56 pm |
| I dont know.. someware between 2005-2008 i guess |
| Posted by: Zapacitu July 13, 2008 05:54 pm | ||
Yes, the 6 emplacements in a rounded shape are a typical AAA site for an S-60 (57 mm) battery. You can see 1-3 of them around almost every airport/airbase in Romania - just check on Google Earth. The circle is around 60 meters in diameter, it had 6 guns and in the middle there was the fire control unit / radar. Note also that on the taxiway parallel to the runway there are 30 small parking spots, indicting that the base was home to a full regiment with 30 aircraft |
| Posted by: lucian July 13, 2008 08:25 pm |
| Tanks! Exist rules to place AA sites ? And how about the first AA under second bretela with 3+3 places? Diferent rules for ? |
| Posted by: aztec July 14, 2008 02:03 pm |
| Old railway connection.. maybe. http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=railconectiongm4.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=179&i=railconectiongm4.jpg |
| Posted by: aztec July 14, 2008 03:18 pm |
| In past, R.A.R.(registrul auto roman) have some interest for this airport for auto test, and ask-it for transfer to M.T (ministerul transporturilor/MINISTRY OF TRANSPORTS) http://www.topbusiness.ro/romania/news/article/+RAR+solicita+teren+de+la+stat+pentru+pista+de+%EEncercari+necesara+omologarii+internationale++a+autovehiculelor.html |
| Posted by: lucian July 14, 2008 09:06 pm |
| Corect. The railway who turn almost 180 gr. is for store, warehouse. The building is in place, is good, is kept in good condition, and can seen in picture. The parallel railway, i'm not sure. I think, one is railway and other is road. In my pictures I have a photo whit this road. Alongside the road, still, there are the valve for charge the truk with gasoline for airplanes. Even today, here, can feel the smell of airplane gasoline. In the joint point, railway and road there are an open basin (see photo) for water for fire situation. |
| Posted by: aztec July 14, 2008 10:06 pm |
| Detalied view of old railway conection, part of "aerodrom militar Silistea Gumesti".. I hope to see with my eye in short time.. I found a short road to Bucharest (~120Km), alternative to Balaci-Pitesti-Bucharest (~180km) and is almost good. And is close to airbase. http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=railconectionaeroportbagd2.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=329&i=railconectionaeroportbagd2.jpg |
| Posted by: lucian July 15, 2008 08:44 am |
| 1. Try Bucuresti-Alexandria-Rosiorii de Vede (at and Rosiorii d V. turn right)- Scrioastea-Dobrotesti-Balaci (right)-(Silistea). You find a big rust gate. From here, straight to taxi runway and history of, I think, second AB with concret runway in Ro. Road to Rosiori is very good and fast, after......asphalt second class. But deserve the effort. 2. Photo is very, very good. Because, I see a lot of details invisible at place. Is possible, in a few pictures like last one to cover entire AB ? 3. In NE of runway at 1 km (?) some people told me, was the amunition store. Can you detect? 4. Beetwin end/out Rosiorii de V, in far left side you can see, the old AB Rosiori (IAR80). Now, sanatorium. There are some tree, watter tower (visible from distance) and two new building. From a month ago I try to make some pictures to old houses. Need " special approuvment" (??)  4. Finnaly, a good trip. Enjoy. |
| Posted by: aztec July 15, 2008 05:47 pm |
| I will try to make all area in good resolution, but will take some time.. My grandparent is form Tecuci at 10km of airport and all my trip to Tecuci is to Buc-Pitesti-Balaci-tecuci or Buc-Alexandria-Rosiori-Balaci-Tecuci.. and never past to airport, just railway station or manastirea (500 meter form airport.. but never see the airport.. But now i find a short route .. Bucuresti-Bolintin-Crevedia Mare-Roata de jos-Poeni-Scurtu Mare-Tatarasti de jos si sus-Silistea Gumesti-Balaci. Give me some coordonate to AB Rosiori..? |
| Posted by: lucian July 15, 2008 08:19 pm |
| I think, Bucuresti-Alexandria-Rosioriind. V.-Balaci.....is better. But it's your choice. Is't important. To get there is important. I make a general views of romanian old jet AB: -Bobocu=live -Bacau=live -Alexeni= ?? -Ianca=preservation ?? -Baraganu=ok -Titu=?.............made ? -Balaci=abandoned ONLY ONE REALY OPEN -Deveselu=preservation ?? -Caransebes=civil Everyone can add better information. Is ok ! For AB Rosiorii d. V. like I sed, if you come from Alex. and pass the entrance trafficator after 2-3 km. you see in right side the chimney (1-2) from beer factory. Exactly in left side, over a valey there are a lot of tree. Is the lonely trees in left area. And two new building (in construction). Also, you meet an cross road. Turn left. From this crossroad to the exit trafficator from Rosiorii d. V. remain 1 km. Tomorow I try to give geografic coordonate. In earth google the image have low resolution. But....... By the way, I have a topic with AB Rosiori. In june 2008 I was there and I make some photo. Next week I hope to put on this photo. |
| Posted by: aztec July 15, 2008 09:31 pm |
| this is Rosiori aerodrom building ..? http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=166&i=rosioriei7.jpg |
| Posted by: lucian July 16, 2008 06:16 am |
| Yes. Area with tree, is old base (buildings). The way in right-down side is ending with a little green areea, like a garden. There is fuel tanks (aprox 8 pc), of course ex-railway and two ex building. In pictures, I try to find the place for hangars and two runway. Earth eat the traces.......... I hope, in this year to find some foto in Rosiori with this location. I need luck. |
| Posted by: lucian July 16, 2008 12:49 pm |
| This is the topic with Rosiori http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=3979 |
| Posted by: aztec July 17, 2008 09:40 am |
| Back to Silistea Gumesti / Balaci Airport or Airbase.. In picture, some construction with some conformity to airport. http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silisteagmestibalaci1ix3.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=508&i=silisteagmestibalaci1ix3.jpg |
| Posted by: lucian July 18, 2008 06:25 am |
| Great job. Thanks |
| Posted by: aztec July 23, 2008 05:29 pm |
| Today is a wet day.. very wet. after what I have seen in area.. i make some pictures. Maibe i will try to locate pictures to the large picture of airbase http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=169&i=airbasedi6.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=169&i=airporttdb5.jpg |
| Posted by: aztec July 23, 2008 05:30 pm |
| http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=169&i=baseareabh7.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=169&i=baseinho4.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=247&i=breteakq1.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=247&i=canalnx7.jpg |
| Posted by: aztec July 23, 2008 05:30 pm |
| http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=247&i=cawsandrubbledf4.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=247&i=cowsbo0.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=247&i=fuelareakj1.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=247&i=fueltanksvq9.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=178&i=guardiandy4.jpg |
| Posted by: aztec July 23, 2008 05:31 pm |
| http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=178&i=hangar18rz4.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=178&i=mountainuz7.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=178&i=pistans2.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=178&i=railcq4.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=178&i=runawayeo7.jpg |
| Posted by: aztec July 23, 2008 05:32 pm |
| http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=169&i=runaway1qx5.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=169&i=taxyhg4.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=169&i=taxy2cc9.jpg http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=169&i=testareatf4.jpg |
| Posted by: aztec July 23, 2008 05:54 pm |
| Location of picture . bad mistake.. i dont have printed pictures with airport to me to locate at the place some others interested objective.. i dont seen the AA location of the end of runway.. becose i dont have reference.. just memories. maybe some others time sorry for my writing, speaks bad English( very bad  )http://imageshack.us http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=359&i=baseexplaindlowkp9.jpg |
| Posted by: lucian July 24, 2008 05:52 am |
| Indeed, bad weather. Mid sunny october, is better. The round holes alongside runway for light, is interesant. And the soil/balast on runway? "get back to agriculture" ? "C'est la vie............" |
| Posted by: aztec July 24, 2008 09:17 am |
| tar macadam ts for road construction in area. In sort time, asphalt roat Silistea-Gumesti to Balaci |
| Posted by: lucian July 24, 2008 09:57 am |
| General question: is possible to find somewhere in archive (in Bucharest) the official documents with begining of this construction? In september, I make fourth trip in place, for the 2 AAA sites and 3+1 sites for depots (thanks aztec) And more important, to listen a man, who was and work from the begining till end, there. He live in Siliste Gumesti, Mr. Rosu. |
| Posted by: Zapacitu July 26, 2008 09:32 am |
| Lucian, If you manage to interview the old man, ask for as much info as possible. Dates, aircraft types (if he knows them), anything - especially if he remembers any Soviet unit being stationed there, or soviet advisers (consilieri) for the Romanian unit. I'll gladly translate everything in English and post it here - no offense, but looks like my knowledge of English is better than yours. I don't know why the second AAA site is different in shape - the most likely reason is that it was designed for a diferent weapon - maybe the old 37 mm, or the 14,5 mm machine guns? Another site of that kind (2x3) is at Sibiu - or at least was, I don't know if it survived the modernization of the airport. Aztec, thanks for the detailed pictures. The extensive railway connections make sense, as most early MiG and Yak fighters were delivered by rail in the 50's. Spare parts, fuel and ammo also. The earth embankments / berms you posted on top of this page were probably used to hide / disperse fighters in case of a war, and save at least some from destruction if the base was attacked. Let's not forget that MiGs were able to operate from grass fields (prepared in advance, of course - the average cattle grazing field won't do) |
| Posted by: lucian July 26, 2008 11:35 am |
| http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lm01ft3.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lm02dp3.jpg http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lm03qn2.jpg http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lm06kz6.jpg It's my father "livret militar". Sorry, I don't find the words Balaci or Silistea-Gumesti. Only "regiment". |
| Posted by: Zapacitu July 26, 2008 11:54 am |
| Yes, but it does mention the 125th Regiment - which was based at Silistea Gumesti until 1958-59 |
| Posted by: lucian July 26, 2008 12:01 pm |
| To ZAPACITU, No problem, I agreed with you. My first words was: "sorry for my english....." I'll contact you at the right moment. The 3+1 earth "biuta": about the first 3 mr. Rosu told me, that is for amunition. Is not only a "u". There are at entrance a little right elevation across. The single one , only "u" is possible.............. I hope to meke some pictures in september to have a complet view about this forgot AB. |
| Posted by: aztec July 29, 2008 05:49 am |
| Some information.. if is true 152nd Jet Fighter Regiment (Silistea-Gumesti) Position: 44°22'N 24°59'E Altitude: 152 meters above the sea level Date disbanded: 1959 Last operated types: Avia S-102, CS-102 find at http://www.scramble.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Romanian_Air_Force |
| Posted by: lucian July 29, 2008 06:23 am |
| A very good book: AVIATIA DE LUPTA REACTIVA IN ROMANIA 1951-2001 / comandor PAUL SANDACHI ( a lot of information and pictures ) Editura Regina din Arcadia 2002-2004, I think. With CD/pdf . I want to quote something from this book, but I can't ( I am not a "master" in PC world). http://www.aviatori.ro/v2/carti_details.php?id=26 |
| Posted by: aztec July 29, 2008 08:40 am |
| Some information...on a blog.. " Eram la artilerie antiaeriană, iar lângă clădirea dormitoarelor noastre se aflau blocurile abandonate ale unei foste unităţi de aviaţie, ca un cartier al fantomelor. Circula zvonul că unitatea a fost desfiinţată după ce şeful ei a fugit în străinătate cu un MIG. Şi cu drapelul unităţii. " http://realiatealuipetria.blogspot.com/2008/03/am-furatvoi.html and more.. "In toamna am fost mutat la CFAM in functia de loctiitor cu Radiolocatia a sefului de stat major. Aviatia urma sa primeasca tehnica noua de radiolocatie, statiile P20, P8 si P3 apoi P10 si altele. Acestea trebuiau instalate la aeroporturile aviatiei militare de vanatoare de la Craiova, Deveselu, Silistea Gumesti, Caransebes, Giarmata si Mihail Kogalniceanu." http://www.presamil.ro/OM/2005/29/24.htm and more... "Locul cu pricina fusese destinat în anii ‘40 unei unităţi militare de aviaţie. Destinaţia cazonă a construcţiilor este deturnată la sfîrşitul anilor ‘50, la mai puţin de douăzeci de ani de la înfiinţare, printr-un eveniment rar întîlnit pe timp de pace. Comandantul unităţii fuge cu un avion de vînătoare în Austria luînd cu el drapelul unităţii. Rezultatul a fost desfiinţarea unităţii militare prin încălcarea unuia dintre cele mai importante prevederi ale regulamentelor militare: drapelul reprezintă identitatea şi onoarea unei unităţi militare, iar dispariţia acestuia atrage după sine desfiinţarea unităţii în cauză. Între timp apar alte trei unităţi militare, vreme în care locul celei desfiinţate este luat de un orfelinat care va funcţiona acolo pînă la mijlocul anilor ‘80, cînd va fi mutat la Roşiori de Vede. Din acest moment şi pînă în 1998 clădirile rămase libere ca urmare a transmutării orfelinatului rămîn în pază militară, rezultatul fiind deteriorarea prin nefolosinţă dar şi prin înstrăinarea de către militarii-paznici ai dotărilor. Astfel că sobele, caloriferele, instalaţiile termice, ferestrele, parchetul, tîmplăria sunt achiziţionate la preţuri mici sau prin schimb avantajos de către sătenii din Siliştea Gumeşti. În acest interval de timp spaţiul fostului orfelinat devine un loc tocmai bun pentru abandonul cîinilor, călugării spunînd că o vreme, chiar după înfiinţarea mănăstirii, acolo îşi găsiseră adăpost în jur de două sute de cîini vagabonzi. " http://inoe.inoe.ro/ianus/Manolache%207-8.htm but dont find enithing of this event http://home.comcast.net/~anneled/ColdWar.html maybe someone good in english translate this romanian language |
| Posted by: Zapacitu July 29, 2008 02:08 pm | ||
In my opinion that's just some BS rumor posted by somebody who has no link whatsoever with aviation. The only jet fighter defection in the 50's was that of Diaconu, with a Yak-23 from the 135th Reg. at Caransebes to Yugoslavia. As I said on page 1 of this thread, the 125th was not disbanded, but moved to Alexeni and renamed 49th Regiment. In the late 50's all regiments were re-numbered (two digit instead of three) |
| Posted by: lucian July 29, 2008 07:56 pm |
| Why in some article, appear Silistea-Gumesti, in other Zilistea-Gumesti ? The other Zilistea I think is in Moldova ( Bobocu ?) |
| Posted by: aztec July 30, 2008 06:21 am |
| Maibe some rong transcription.. In teleorman country, in relative same area is 3 vilages name silistea.. Silistea Noua (silistea-gumesti); Silistea and Silistea Mica... |
| Posted by: lucian September 29, 2008 10:16 am |
| This is AB Fetesti (Cocargeaua, Baraganu, etc....) Knew someone what is the "thing" mark off ? An old runway ? http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: lancer_two_one September 29, 2008 11:49 am |
| Within the marked area there are: - the road that connects the base with Baraganu railway station, - a small residential area on the same road known once as "technical NCO colony" (colonia maistrilor). - the railroad that connects the base with the main line Bucharest- Fetesti. There was/is no "old runway. Sorin |
| Posted by: lucian September 29, 2008 07:47 pm |
| Clear. Thanks. |
| Posted by: aztec October 02, 2008 04:56 pm |
| Courtesy of Mihai45 who made these pictures, introduce some new files http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=biuta1abbad6.jpg http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=biutaabbvj0.jpg http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hangarabbbk1.jpg http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pcabbum3.jpg http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turnabbqn1.jpg |
| Posted by: cainele_franctiror October 03, 2008 06:32 am | ||
Mihai45 is Mihai Petrescu from Rosiorii de Vede? |
| Posted by: Victor October 05, 2008 02:00 pm |
| Mihai45, Please review the http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2093 and try to repost the image. Or send it to me or Dragos if you do not manage to post it. Thank you. |
| Posted by: lucian October 06, 2008 07:39 pm |
| I was in zone last week, and I meet a man (old professor). He told me a short story, that is possible to be real. Russian want to builtd up an A.B. in zone. Roumanian, propose former A.B. Rosiorii de Vede. Russian deny this suggestion because americans knew very well the location from 1945. And choose Balaci/Silistea. Is possible. In try to prove this if is real. |
| Posted by: aztec October 21, 2008 11:34 am |
| A better resolution on Google Earth is available now for airport.. including Ianca and Fetesti (probably for all romania) |
| Posted by: Victor October 21, 2008 02:03 pm | ||
Not for the entire country, but several new zones with improved resolution. |
| Posted by: Jeroen April 14, 2009 02:53 pm | ||
Indeed Lucian South of your pic there is more to see. The road leading northnorthwest almost is symmetrical with the road leading southsouthwest towards amo store and Borcea/Dunarea river. More Romanian A.B. feature such decentralized dislocation of subunits off the landing strip.Compare the MeKa former amo store or Ianca, amo and fuel stores. |
| Posted by: aztec October 06, 2009 10:31 am |
| Nothing new? |
| Posted by: lucian January 27, 2013 10:38 am |
| today I found this, on Open GIS. program esducational - harti rusesti |
| Posted by: aztec July 01, 2015 06:27 pm |
| Cautand am gasit unele date din 1940-44, dar fara referire la aerodrom din pacate, unele informatii arata ca ...... Sturmartillerie-Abteilung 190 Wehrkreis responsible for formation: Wehrkreis III. Date of Formation: 1 Oct.1940: ----- At the Jüterbog Truppenübungsplatz, Wehrkreis III. First Commanding Officer: Oberstleutnant Haas-Joachim Haupt Replacement Units or Replacement & Training Units: ----- Sturmartillerie-Lehr-Abteilung – Jüterbog. UNIT HISTORY: 15 Nov.1940..... Unit declared ready for action. 26 Nov.1940..... Sturmartillerie-Abteilung 190 was originally intended to be assigned to 1. Armee, Heeresgruppe D, serving in France at this time. 5 Jan.1941..... Transfer to France was cancelled and Sturmartillerie-Abt.190 was rerouted to Rumania. 15 Jan.1941..... Unit arrived in Balaci, Rumania. *7 Feb.1941..... Reorganized and redesignated Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 190. Si o poza https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/539241_371878352927313_1316477600_n.jpg?oh=2f22438462302fc83dfefb3aadb6cb31&oe=5610CE39 Din pacate sursele indica alta pista de aterizare la Mirosi. Miroşi (ROM) (44 25 00 N – 24 54 00 E) General : emergency landing ground in south-central Romania 95 km W of Bucharest city center and roughly 2.5 km W of the village of Miroşi. History : no information. No record found of Luftwaffe use. Surface and Dimensions : grass or farmland surface measuring approx. 550 x 550 meters (600 x 600 yards). Infrastructure : none. [ Sources : AFHRA A5263 p.1495 (31 Dec 43); chronologies; BA-MA; NARA; PRO/NA; web site ww2.dk] sursa: http://www.ww2.dk/Airfields%20-%20Romania.pdf Tot la aceasi sursa apare si informatii despre Rosiori de Vede Roşiorii de Vede (ROM) (c. 44 04 40 N – 24 57 00 E) General : airfield in S Romania 95 km WSW of Bucharest and 4 km SW of Roşiorii de Vede. Rated for bombers. History : existed pre-war and used by the Luftwaffe in spring 1941 during the Apr-May campaign in the Balkans. Inactive for several years and then used operationally by Luftwaffe night fighters and bombers in spring and summer 1944. Dimensions : 1941 measured 1000 x 1000 meters. Extended and apparently reconfigured during the war with mid-summer 1944 dimensions of approx. 1830 x 455 meters (2000 x 500 yards) giving it an irregular shape. Surface and Runways : grass surface. No paved runway. Fuel and Ammunition : fuel available. Ammunition stored in 5 sites off the W boundary and 3 more off the E boundary. Infrastructure : 1941 had 1 massive hangar, 2 smaller wooden hangars and a barracks area for 1,900 men. An additional workshop building or hut off the N corner and several small barrack huts were erected during the war. The nearest rail connection was in Roşiorii de Vede. - 42 - Luftwaffe Airfields 1935-45 Dispersal : there were no organized aircraft dispersals. Defenses : no information found. Remarks : c. 15 Aug 44: total Luftwaffe station strength this date: 6 officers, 17 Beamten (officials), 345 NCOs and men, 14 German civilian workers, 92 Schuma, 95 Hiwi. Operational Units : Romanian : I Fighter Gp. (Nov 43 – Jul 44); VII Fighter Gp. (Nov 43 – Apr 44). Luftwaffe : 2./NJG 100 (elements) (Aug 44). Station Commands : Fl.H.Kdtr. E 6/VI (Jan 41); Fl.H.Kdtr. E 34/XIII (? - Mar 44); Fl.H.Kdtr. E(v) 224/XVII (Apr-Aug 44). Station Units (on various dates – not complete): Nachschub-Kp. d.Lw. 5/XVII (Mar 41); Wetternebenstelle 1192 (Aug 44); Werft-Abt. 102/VIII (Jul-Aug 44); Flak-Abt. 412 (one Zug) (Aug 44); Störtrupp 3./Ln.-Abt. 81 (Aug 44); 3.Kp. Lw.-Bau-Btl. 101/XII (K) (Aug 44); Feldbauleitung 6/Kuckuck (Aug 44); Flug-Betr.St.Kol. 505/I (elements) (Aug 44); Trsp.Kol. 104/XII (elements) (Aug 44); Schuma-Kp. (Aug 44). [ Sources : AFHRA A5263 p.1361 (31 May 44 updated to 25 Jan 45); chronologies; BA-MA; NARA; PRO/NA; web site ww2.dk] Spor la sapat si dupa alte date. |