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|Posted by: Imperialist April 20, 2006 09:34 am|
| OK guys, we talked about new aquisitions lately, from subs to planes. Some complained we dont have the money, others said the defense budget already eats up a lot of money that could be used for other things.
Last night I saw on the news a budget supplement being issued for all ministries. All numbers were given, except the ones for the defense budget. They only said "and the defense budget also received a budget supplement", but didnt ellaborate.
Does ayone have any clear data about the Defense Budget (even before the supplement)? I found some, but its pretty unclear, and its pretty big...
|Posted by: Zayets April 20, 2006 02:22 pm|
|Post the numbers, I am very curious.|
|Posted by: Imperialist April 20, 2006 03:47 pm|
| Actually I found some data:
Defense - 1,7 billion $
Health - 393 million $
Transport and Construction - 1,4 billion $
M.A.I. - 1,3 billion $
Education - 1,1 billion $
Water Works - 219 million $
Obviously the guys in charge think the nation's health is not a matter of defense/security... And what can I say about water works... the floods in both this and last year will cost us above 3 billion $. Do you think they'll think to put some pork into that budget? Naah....
|Posted by: Zayets April 20, 2006 05:22 pm|
| Personaly,I am extremely impressed with the Education budget.If the numbers are correct,then we should see some improvments. As for the water works, I think the amount of money is not that important. What is really important is the quality of the works.I am sure that if there was a bigger need, the Water Works would get the biggest budget.We are very sentimental
Defense,well,I am a bit worried now. There was an article somewhere ( I think Gandul,thus you will have to take this info with a lot of salt) where they posted the operations costs in Afganistan and Irak. And they come somewhere around 1.0-1.5 bilion. But I think this money didn't came from budget only (there's somehow 50/50 "alternative" sources). And I also think that we will reduce the forces there. For us , is much more important that there is peace in Balkans, not in Afghanistan.
|Posted by: Imperialist April 20, 2006 07:48 pm|
No, I think they lost their minds. I think it was Gandul where I also read a Grippen costs 1 billion $ so put a lot of salt... make it a truck full of salt. Marinate them...
|Posted by: Burner April 20, 2006 10:10 pm|
Lol! Double that and you can buy a brand new B-2 Spirit. Jesus!
|Posted by: tomcat1974 April 21, 2006 02:54 pm|
this 2005 military expenditure values for NATO countries
Interesting document. It seems (unless I'm wrong) that we had less money spend in 2005 than in 2004.
|Posted by: Iamandi April 27, 2006 06:26 am|
This is the link for the source, but - because is so little, i will paste here the article:
"Directia Administrativa si de Servicii a Ministerului Apararii Nationale va cheltui peste 525.000 lei noi (circa 150 mii euro) pentru aproape 37.000 sticle cu whisky, coniac, gin, vodca, palinca, sampanie si vin, in baza unor contracte semnate in aceasta luna cu trei furnizori."
So, when you will have a cleat sum of the budget, please make a minus with 150 000 EU...
|Posted by: Imperialist November 09, 2006 05:33 am|
| In today's press conference, the Minister of Defense when asked about the ongoing modernisation and acquirement programs, gave these details about their cost for each arm:
Land Forces - 1 bn. euro
Air Forces - 4,4 bn. euro
Navy - 7,4 bn. euro
He also said the military budget will make up 2,3% of GDP and vowed to keep it above 2% while he is in office. Oh, and he also said he wants a NEW fighter jet, not a second hand one!
|Posted by: Zayets November 09, 2006 05:44 am|
|What happened with that deal (worth cca 200 mil USD) with the Israelis (for the 2nd hand F16) ? I just read somewhere that is still going.I guess it was EvZ.|
|Posted by: dead-cat November 09, 2006 06:22 am|
if the sum of all arms, 12,8 bn € is 2.3%, that'd mean the GDP (nominal) would be 556 bn €.
that's a bit less than the GDP of the Netherlands.
to quote the famous philosopher Jar Jar Binks: "meesa not thinking so".
he probably meant 12,8 bn RON.
|Posted by: Zayets November 09, 2006 06:45 am|
|Romanian GDP is somewhere around 100bn (don't know if USD or EUR)|
|Posted by: Imperialist November 09, 2006 06:48 am|
The data I posted is correct, but these programs are not meant to be done in one year.
|Posted by: Imperialist November 09, 2006 06:50 am|
182 billion dollars in 2006
|Posted by: dead-cat November 09, 2006 06:51 am|
| then it looks like one of the famous "five year plans", because this is how long it's gonna take with a maximum expense of 2.3% of GDP.
i also wonder what jet he's gonna buy for 4.4 bn
that's PPP adjusted. this is usefull for comparations but not for determining budgets as there "real $/€" will have to be spend.
|Posted by: Imperialist November 09, 2006 07:04 am|
Sorry, that was 2004 data. Indeed PPP. If you dont want PPP data, then the budget is only 73 billion dollars. Again, 2004 data.
The military budget of 2.3% of GDP will not be spent in its entirety on these programs, since other expenses have to be met - salaries, exercises, maintenance, training, base facilities etc. A large part of these money will be borrowed IMO. So the payment will take several years, but the results could be felt in shorter time.
What I think is worthy of a debate is the fact that the Navy receives the most. I imagine this is a change in the usual strategy, but I'm not sure, I dont have previous data on this.
What's the opinion of other members, is it good to channel those funds to the Navy?
|Posted by: dead-cat November 09, 2006 07:09 am|
| the 2006 data is about 96 bn nominal.
that depends on what is expected from the navy.
i'd see a more pressing need to modernize the air force and ground forces than the navy.
|Posted by: Imperialist November 01, 2007 09:24 am|
| President and Premier clash over 2008 Army budget
The draft budget for 2008 elaborated by Cabinet Taricenau stipulates a budget of 1.9 per cent of GDP for the Army, while President Basescu requests the Executive to observe its foreign promises and to allot 2.38 per of GDP to the military expenditures.
|Posted by: Imperialist October 20, 2008 08:18 am|
| Melescanu said that the Defence Ministry might have a higher budget next year and that he expects about 1.5 per cent of the GDP to be allocated to this field in 2009.
|Posted by: Imperialist November 28, 2010 07:37 pm|
| Defense budget for 2011 cut by 30%: