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Posted by: Victor January 15, 2011 11:07 am
On 7/20 November 1916, the 2nd Rosiori Brigade (4th and 9th Regiments) was in Caracal. It received the mission to cover the left wing of the 1/17th Infantry Division that was retreating from Craiova to Slatina. Thus they advanced on the road from Caracal to Pielesti (which is just East of Craiova on the main road to Slatina). The brigade ran into serious opposition near the Parsani Forest and Robanesti, where two battalions of the 11th Bavarian Division were entrenched. The 4th Rosiori Regiment dismounted and attempted in vain to dislodge the Germans. The 9th tried to outflank the right wing of the enemy without success because of the German battery at the edge of the Parsani Forest.

Thus col. Calinescu ordered the 3rd Squadron to charge the battery. The squadron commanded by cpt. Filitti consisted of 110 sabres. Lt. Mora and lt. Rosca also joined the squadron for the charge.

The rosiori line with the lances up started to march, then trotted and finally in gallop. The German artillerymen quickly retreated behind the infantry as the cavalry approached with the lances forward. A machine-gun camouflaged in a hay stack and an infantry company in two lines, one kneeling and the other standing, by the main road, opened fire on the rosiori. More than 30 men were killed and many more were wounded, including cpt. Filitti. The charge was broken off and the 2nd Brigade started to retreat towards Bals.

The monument at Robanesti.
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Posted by: Victor January 15, 2011 11:45 am
The plaque mentioning the charge led by cpt. Filitti:
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The list of the rosiori that died in the charge (from the 3rd Squadron of the 9th Regiment):
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The list of the men from the 4th Rosiori Regiment that died in the fighting with the Bavarian infantry prior to the charge:
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Posted by: 21 inf January 15, 2011 01:06 pm
In this charge was killed also a veteran of 1877 Romanian Independence War?

Posted by: Victor January 15, 2011 01:44 pm
Yes. He was a volunteer. According to Kiritescu he did not draw the sword, not wanting to commit any great sin so late in his life. Anyway he wouldn't even have gotten the chance to.

Posted by: 21 inf January 15, 2011 02:24 pm
Yes, I also read that he charged waving his hat. I think they knew that they charge a line of enemy machineguns and that they have zero chances to survive, their mission was only to buy time for the rest of the troops. A grim aftermath (at least i read in a source about it) is that romanian soldiers who died on that charge were stripped of their clothes and boots by romanian peasants from the near-by area.

Posted by: dragos January 15, 2011 06:49 pm
QUOTE (21 inf @ January 15, 2011 04:24 pm)
I think they knew that they charge a line of enemy machineguns and that they have zero chances to survive, their mission was only to buy time for the rest of the troops.

The bigger picture is not clear to me, but the description makes me question the competency of Col. Calinescu (commander of 9th Regiment?)

Charging mounted a battery protected by an infantry company is sheer stupidity. Victor's description makes me think they were somehow unaware of the enemy strength.

Also the result of this charge is not clear to me. It seems the battery remained intact, just put out of action for a short period of time. Did this achieved anything?

Posted by: 21 inf January 15, 2011 07:56 pm
I can't tell if they knew exactly what they atacked, but I think they knew that they have a strong enemy position in their front. As far as I know, they were aware that they will die, they just tried to keep busy the enemy as long as they can, in order not to let them catch from behind the retreating romanian bulk.

I know about a similar somehow mission from 1917 from moldavian front, when the unit of colonel Rasoviceanu had to charge the enemy line of trenches in order to prevent their movement toward a neighbouring gap made by the germans in the romanian lines. When ordered to atack, colonel Rasoviceanu protested, telling to his superiors that the atack will be 100% suicide. He was ordered again to atack, because it was needed to buy time for romanian reinforcements to arive to the gap in order to close it. The unit of colonel Rasoviceanu atacked, suffering around 500 casualties, dead and wounded. After the battle, colonel Rasoviceanu wandered on the field mourning his soldiers and asking them to forgive him cos he killed them.

A similar case might be the case of captain Ignat, comanding a machinegun subunit, ordered to buy time in his position from cota 100-and-some from Marasesti, until reinforcement arived were they were needed. All men from this machinegun unit died, including captain Ignat.

Posted by: contras January 15, 2011 08:14 pm
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A similar case might be the case of captain Ignat, comanding a machinegun subunit, ordered to buy time in his position from cota 100-and-some from Marasesti, until reinforcement arived were they were needed. All men from this machinegun unit died, including captain Ignat.


At captain Ignat case, is a different story, cos he defending his position, not charghing a better entrenched enemy. He stayed and fight until last man, to let the reinforcements arrived and mantain his position. Otherwise, his resistance was important, the reinforcements arrived on time, but too late to save Ignat and his men. They find captain Ignat dead over his machine-gun, all his men dead, and many enemies killed around them.

Posted by: dragos January 15, 2011 09:09 pm
QUOTE (21 inf @ January 15, 2011 09:56 pm)
I can't tell if they knew exactly what they atacked, but I think they knew that they have a strong enemy position in their front. As far as I know, they were aware that they will die, they just tried to keep busy the enemy as long as they can, in order not to let them catch from behind the retreating romanian bulk.

Charging mounted the battery was not going to buy time unless they intended to destroy that battery. If that goal was not achieved, the action probably cost more lives than it has saved.

Posted by: 21 inf January 15, 2011 10:38 pm
The idea of all cases is the same, buying time, but in diferent ways: Ignat buyed time defending a position, Rasoviceanu by keeping busy some enemies and at Robanesti the intention could have been mostly the same, keep busy the pursuing enemy, but not the artilery battery, as it is known that the artilery does never chase the routed enemy. The simple disorganisation of the pursuing enemy force and not necesarilly the destruction of it, could buy some precious minutes in some cases. Time is the most precious resource in war and it is not regenerable.

Maybe the intended objective of Robanesti charge was to keep busy the enemy infantry. The deflection of the initial direction of charge, due to that enemy batery, might be a sign that the atackers didnt knew about it from the begining. It is not imposible that the atackers were ordered to directly atack the enemy artilery, they obeyed orders against any odds and change direction during atack when they couldnt stay in the fire. It wouldnt be the first case when a troop is pushed forward against any odds of survival.

Also, another scenario could be as well the stupidity of the higher ranking officers, which was quite often seen in wars and the ww1 for romanians doesnt make an exception.

Posted by: dragos January 15, 2011 10:56 pm
Best I could find is this
http://www.gds.ro/Comunitate/2007-11-19/Sarja+de+la+Robanesti

It appears the artillery was harassing the retreating Romanian troops, and the charge targeted the battery only.

Posted by: Agarici January 15, 2011 11:46 pm
Even more impressive in terms of numbers involved and losses was the cavalry charge at Prunaru (see the photo). Col. Naumescu, the regiment CO, rode and was killed in front of his men.

A decent account of it can be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunaru_Charge Even if it is Wikipedia, the sources and the story are OK.


Posted by: Victor January 16, 2011 08:41 am
QUOTE (Agarici @ January 16, 2011 01:46 am)
A decent account of it can be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunaru_Charge Even if it is Wikipedia, the sources and the story are OK.

A cavalry regiment did not have 5,000 men.

Posted by: 21 inf January 16, 2011 10:44 am
A romanian infantry regiment had in ww1 around 3.200-3.800 men. How much men had a romanian cavalry regiment in ww1?

Posted by: dragos January 16, 2011 10:51 am
This would probably be the best resource on the subject

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Posted by: Victor January 16, 2011 11:31 am
QUOTE (21 inf @ January 16, 2011 12:44 pm)
A romanian infantry regiment had in ww1 around 3.200-3.800 men. How much men had a romanian cavalry regiment in ww1?

Around 500

Posted by: Agarici January 16, 2011 11:47 am
QUOTE (Victor @ January 16, 2011 08:41 am)
QUOTE (Agarici @ January 16, 2011 01:46 am)
A decent account of it can be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunaru_Charge Even if it is Wikipedia, the sources and the story are OK.

A cavalry regiment did not have 5,000 men.


I agree. According to Istoria militara a poporului roman, vol. 5 (1988), the 1914 Rosiori regiment consisted of 4-6 squadrons (150 men each) and a MG section (2 pieces). Hence, a total manpover of about 600-900 men (peacetime effectives - the numbers in case of mobilization being most certainly higher).

As armament, they had lances and sabers (the German mod. 1906 cavalry sabre, I think), Steyr mod. 1912 9 mm automatic pistols and Mannlicher mod. 1893 6,5 mm "Romanian" carabines, Maxim mod. 1910 6,5 mm "Romanian" MGs and, for support (at cavalry division level), Krupp mod. 1908 75 mm quick-firing "cavalry cannons/guns".

EDIT: so, my estimation would be of 1000+ men per cavalry regiment.

Posted by: Agarici January 16, 2011 11:56 am
There was also a Romanian cavalry charge at Bazargic, earlyer in the war, during the Bulgarian-German offensive in Cadrilater.

Any details about that?

Posted by: Victor January 16, 2011 12:06 pm
Apparently there were also more successful charges during 1916. I found a short mention of one carried out on 18 November (don't know if it's old or new style). Slt. Mihai Arion from the 6th Calarasi Regiment received the Mihai Viteazul Order 3rd class for charge against the retreating enemy near the Tarnava Forest. A howitzer battery opened fire on the cavalry squadron. The calarasi attacked the battery, captured it and then used it to fire on the enemy.

I found a Tarnava Forest near Perisor and Radovan, jud. Dolj, on the road from Calafat to Craiova. I am not sure though that was the place mentioned in the decree.

Posted by: Victor January 16, 2011 12:12 pm
QUOTE (Agarici @ January 16, 2011 01:56 pm)
There was also a Romanian cavalry charge at Bazargic, earlyer in the war, during the Bulgarian-German offensive in Cadrilater.

Any details about that?

The cavalry was Russian, not Romanian, as far as I know. The Romanian 9th Vanatori and 40th Infantry Regiments were supported on the flank by a Russian lancer regiment. This is the one that made the fateful charge at Bazargic apparently.

Posted by: Dénes January 16, 2011 01:44 pm
Although not strictly related to this very topic, here is an excerpt from the book on the Royal Hungarian Army I am currently working on:

The testimony of a German officer who witnessed an attack of the Huszárs serves as an illustration of the Hungarian soldiers’ combat prowess:
“It happened in early August 1941, south of Uman, in the area of Pervomajsk. German troops were pinned down behind a railway embankment by strong Red Army forces. German infantry attacked the enemy four times but were repulsed each time by superior forces. The battalion commander cursed and tried to push his men into a new attack in vain, as the Russians steadily held their positions. It was then, when instead of the artillery barrage we were repeatedly asking for, that a Hungarian cavalry squadron showed up. We were laughing. What do these guys want to do here with their sleek horses, armed only with swords? Suddenly, we were stunned by astonishment. These Hungarians went mad! Squadrons followed the others, coming from our rear. Following a loud command, the Huszárs drew their swords and charged the enemy, virtually glued to their horses, with the swords’ metal blades shining in the sun. They were led by a middle-aged, sword-swinging colonel, with silver rank insignia sparkling on his uniform’s collar. Several light armoured cars covered the flanks. Seydlitz* must have charged in the same fashion, I thought! Forgetting the imminent danger, we stood up and watched the unbelievable scene. It looked like an extraordinary cavalry movie.
The Russians initially fired at their unlikely attackers, but the shots became more sporadic and finally ceased. We watched in astonishment how the Soviet battalion, which thus far fanatically defended its positions, panicked and hastily retreated under the pressure of the charging cavalry. The Hungarians, savouring their success, cut the running soldiers down with their swords. This time, incredibly, ancient weapons and war technique triumphed over modern technology.”

[*FOOTNOTE: Friedrich Wilhelm von Seydlitz, Prussian soldier, one of the greatest cavalry generals of history, active in the Eighteenth Century]

(Excerpt from Erich Kern Der Grosse Rausch, Zürich, Switzerland, 1948, pp 54–55. The Hungarian cavalry unit was most probably the 3rd Huszár Regiment of the 1st Honvéd Cavalry Brigade led by Colonel Pál Pongrácz).

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Agarici January 16, 2011 07:14 pm
QUOTE (Victor @ January 16, 2011 12:12 pm)
QUOTE (Agarici @ January 16, 2011 01:56 pm)
There was also a Romanian cavalry charge at Bazargic, earlyer in the war, during the Bulgarian-German offensive in Cadrilater.

  Any details about that?

The cavalry was Russian, not Romanian, as far as I know. The Romanian 9th Vanatori and 40th Infantry Regiments were supported on the flank by a Russian lancer regiment. This is the one that made the fateful charge at Bazargic apparently.


That is possible.

The only mention that I found in Istoria militara a poporului roman is about a schetch painting (belonging to D. Stoica, and on display, according to the book, at the National Military Museum). Its description reads "Romanian cavalry charge during the fightings at Bazargic", and the uniforms seem to be Romanian too.

Posted by: contras January 17, 2011 04:15 pm
At Bazargic the charge was made by Reg 3 Lancers (6 escadrons) from Russian army. They attacked Bulgarian left front, against 1 company (8th Infantery Reg) and one company (48 Infantery Reg) with 2 machine guns. Russian cavalery regiment was almost destroyed, a little part draw back.
It was a usseles charge, it not influenced at all the rest of the battle, in other part of the front 2 Romanian Battalions from Infantery Reg 40 reach 263 cote (northern Bazargic) and 9th Vanatori (Hunters) Reg take station and Gelindzik village.
Battle of Bazargic was a mess, with many errors on both sides (more Romanian errors than Bulgarians), with Russians who reported they are in some positions, and they were at kilometers away.

Posted by: Cantacuzino January 22, 2011 12:34 am
A picture taken by germans after Robanesti Parsani charge. A Rosior with his horse lying on the ground after the atack. Note the lance. From the book File din istoria cavaleriei .. authors Emil Gheorghita and George Gheorghiu.
http://img339.imageshack.us/i/rosiori.jpg/

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Posted by: Cantacuzino January 22, 2011 12:55 am
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There was also a Romanian cavalry charge at Bazargic, earlyer in the war, during the Bulgarian-German offensive in Cadrilater.

Any details about that?


Could be the charge from the Tape Burnu hill near Cicracii vilage[ today Sibioara] of Reg 9, Brigada 5 Calarasi comanded by Col Romulus Scarisoreanu on 10 october 1916 [from File din istoria cavaleriei .. authors Emil Gheorghita and George Gheorghiu]
http://img9.imageshack.us/i/cicracii.jpg/

Posted by: Agarici January 24, 2011 06:40 pm
QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ January 22, 2011 12:55 am)
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There was also a Romanian cavalry charge at Bazargic, earlyer in the war, during the Bulgarian-German offensive in Cadrilater.

Any details about that?


Could be the charge from the Tape Burnu hill near Cicracii vilage[ today Sibioara] of Reg 9, Brigada 5 Calarasi comanded by Col Romulus Scarisoreanu on 10 october 1916 [from File din istoria cavaleriei .. authors Emil Gheorghita and George Gheorghiu]
http://img9.imageshack.us/i/cicracii.jpg/


Thank you for the feed-back, Cantacuzino!

It could be that episode, or another one which, according to „Istoria militară a poporului român” took place earlier, on September 7. On that day, the same 5th Cavalry/Călăraşi brigade, together with the 17th Infantry brigade counterattacked the Bulgarian troops unsuccessfully trying to retake the town of Bazargic.

Are there any references to that in your book?

Posted by: dead-cat January 25, 2011 08:18 pm
referring to " Sarja Regimentului 9 Calarsai de la Cicracii reprezinta [...]un caz unic, in sensul ca o ariegarda in inferioritate numerica sarjeaza o avantgarda superioara din punct de vedere numeric".

is this meant in a ww1 context only? there wern't that many cavalry charges in form of rearguard action in ww1.
the situation is certainly not unique in history though. on May 26 1813, 23 squadrons of allied cavalry charged and routed Maison's 16th division (4 regiments line infantry) at Haynau.

Posted by: 21 inf January 25, 2011 08:32 pm
Well, this "unique" story might be not so unique. I found a lot of examples of romanian military historians who wrote about diferent kind of romanian military actions, some of them quite bold, and a lot of this examples were called "unique" or "the first". They were for sure not like this, but the authors failed to consult other deeds or simply tried to make propaganda...A poor and a inapropiate way to wrote anything and especially history....

Posted by: Dénes January 26, 2011 06:43 am
I strongly agree with you on this. I found many instances when the Authors (not only Rumanians), trying to enhance, or overblow a certain event or personality, used this "technique".

As I've repeatedly said, the events speak for themselves, there is no need to add "frills" to them, it only makes the described issue suspicious to the Reader.

Also, the lack of consulting other sources than published in their own language (in this case Rumanian) is a serious setback for many historians, making their view on certain events one sided, thus biased.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: retro February 07, 2011 11:42 am
About sg. Gheorghe Donici, in the first issue of "Oltenia Eroica"

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Posted by: 21 inf September 17, 2012 05:58 pm
http://enciclopediaromaniei.ro/wiki/%C5%9Earja_de_la_Rob%C4%83ne%C5%9Fti

article in romanian language

Posted by: ionionescu September 18, 2012 09:53 am
@21 inf, very nice effort, congratulations and thank you for sharing!

I don't know if this info is relevant to your article, but I think it is interesting to know that the hero of Robăbești, captain Alexandru Constantin Filitti (later general) was tortured and imprisoned during the communist regime, his daughter Maria Filitti shared the same faith.

FILITTI, Alexandru C. General de divizie. A fost comandantul celor „110 săbii” care obținuseră o victorie strălucită la 10 noiembrie 1916 pe linia Robănești –- Pielești, bătălie în care a fost grav rănit (descrisă de scriitorul Mircea Radina sub denumirea de “Șarja nemuritoare”). Dat afară din armată. Arestat. Torturat la Securitate în timpul anchetei. Condamnat la muncă silnică. În 1950 a fost adus în lagărul Poarta Albă, unde comandantul Fecioru și ofițerul politic Moraru se distrau punând deținuþii de drept comun să-l batjocoreascã și înjosească. I-a fost arestată și fiica (Maria) care, în 1950, se afla în lagărul Mislea.
FILITTI, Maria. Fiica generalului Alexandru Filitti. Arestată. I-a fost semnalată prezența în lagărul Mislea în perioada în care tatăl sãu se afla în lagărul Poarta Albă (1950).

Source: http://www.procesulcomunismului.com/marturii/fonduri/ioanitoiu/dictionar_fg/ see here the pdf: http://www.procesulcomunismului.com/marturii/fonduri/ioanitoiu/dictionar_fg/f/dictionarf_6.pdf

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Şi de această dată includem o listă cu personalităţi politice, de cultură şi militare binecunocute care au trecut prin închisorile regimului communist, din care menţionăm pe generalii Nicolae Dăscălescu, Nicolae Dragomir şi Alexandru C. Filitti (unul din eroii legendari ai armatei române din Primul Război Mondial), pe colonelul Mircea Elefterescu (fost şef de cabinet al mareşalului Antonescu), pe diplomaţii Camil Demetrescu şi Romulus Dianu, pe părintele Mina Dobzeu (părintele spiritual al lui Nicolae Steinhardt), pe profesorul Silviu Dragomir (fost secretar al Marii Adunări Naţionale de la Alba Iulia), pe scriitorul Radu Demetrescu (cunoscut sub pseudonimul Radu Gyr), pe Ion Flueraş (liderul social-democraţiei româneşti interbelice) sau pe binecunoscutul disident şi luptător pentru drepturile foştilor deţinuţi politici Constantin-Ticu Dumitrescu.

Source: http://www.iiccr.ro/ro/fise_detinuti_politici/fise_matricole_penale_detinuti_politici/

See also: http://86.125.17.36/Fise%20matricole%20penale%20-%20detinuti%20politici/Fise%20matricole%20penale%20-%20personalitati%20publice/Filiti%20Constantin/index.php and http://86.125.17.36/Fise%20matricole%20penale%20-%20detinuti%20politici/F/F%2002.%20Fiacescu%20-%20Floteanu/Filiti%20Maria%20Nicola/index.php

Posted by: 21 inf September 18, 2012 01:06 pm
Thanks for the suplementar info about captain Filitti! I will read the link you posted and try to write an article about him if there are enough data.

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