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Sergey
Posted: July 14, 2003 07:13 am
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Hello all,

Can somebody correct the list of axis losses in Crimea evacuation ?

Date/ Ship or vessel, tonnage/ Place/ Reason/ Note

11.04.44 + R 204 Feodosiya aircrafts of 11th ShAD
11.04.44 + barge CNR 1468* Feodosiya aircrafts of 11th ShAD *29.07.43 # М SS L-4
13.04.44 + F 565 Sudak aircrafts of 11th ShAD
15.04.44 + F 564 Yalta aircrafts
17.04.44 = tug Oituz near Sulina aircrafts Pe-2
18.04.44 = D Alba Iulia* 5708 BRT 6 aircrafts Pe-2 *isn’t repaired up to the end of war
19.04.44 + G 3061 10 BRT Seva - Sulina accident
19.04.44 + G 3066 10 BRT Seva - Sulina accident
22.04.44 # T Ossag* 2793 BRT aircraft A-20 13th GDBAP *scuttled
22.04.44 = R 207 aircraft Il-2 8th VA
23.04.44 # Uj 103 near Seva 14 aircrafts A-20
24.04.44 = D Danubius 1489 BRT near Seva 12 aircrafts A-20 13th GDBAP
24.04.44 + G 3103 32 t Seva beached
25.04.44 + lighter Leo 409 BRT 12 aircrafts Il-2 47th ShAP
26.04.44 = R 37 near Constance 12 aircrafts Il-2 47th ShAP
27.04.44 # Uj 104* MTB TKA-334 *destroyed 10.05.44
29.04.44 = D Lola 1193 BRT near Seva landing artillery
03.05.44 + Uj 2304/ KFK 84 9 aircrafts A-20 13th GDBAP
03.05.44 + tug Junak 444 BRT 10 aircrafts Pe-2 40th BAP
04.05.44 # tug Erzherzog Carl* 378 BRT near Seva aircrafts Il-2 8th VA *destroyed 07.05.44
05.05.44 + Uj 2318/ KFK 372 near Crimea accident
06.05.44 # F 132 ? aircrafts Pe-2 40-th BAP
06.05.44 # D Budapest 493 BRT 12 aircrafts Il-2 8th GShAP
06.05.44 = Uj 2305/ KFK 85 12 aircrafts Il-2 8th GShAP
06.05.44 = Uj 2312/ KFK 17 12 aircrafts Il-2 8th GShAP
07.05.44 + lighter Elbe 5 500 BRT MTB TKA-304, -344, SM-3
08.05.44 = R 197 ? 8 aircrafts A-20 13th GDBAP
08.05.44 = F 471 ? 8 aircrafts A-20 13th GDBAP
08.05.44 + lighter Vistulia 500 BRT aircrafts Il-2 47th ShAP
08.05.44 + Mb Cornelis Anni Seva landing artillery
08.05.44 + G 3102 33 t Seva
09.05.44 + tug Guenter 190 t Seva landing artillery
09.05.44 + lighter Basarabia Seva landing artillery
09.05.44 + lighter Var 500 BRT Seva landing artillery
09.05.44 + Uj 2313/ KFK 373 Seva landing artillery
09.05.44 + Uj 2314/ KFK 202 Seva landing artillery
09.05.44 = tug Amsel Seva landing artillery
09.05.44 + Uj 2303/ KFK Seva landing artillery
09.05.44 + T Prodomos 877 BRT Seva landing artillery
10.05.44 + D Totila 2773 BRT 8+13 aircrafts Il-2 8th GShAP
10.05.44 = R 209 aircrafts Yak-1, Yak-9
10.05.44 + D Teja 2773 BRT 6 aircrafts A-20 13th GDBAP
10.05.44 + F 335 aircrafts
10.05.44 + G 3161 14 t Seva landing artillery
10.05.44 + G 3164 10 BRT Seva landing artillery
10.05.44 + G 3111 16 t Khersones-Constace accident
10.05.44 + tug Saale 45 t Seva
11.05.44 = T Friderike* 7327 BRT 43.51N/ 30.12E SS L-4 *isn’t repaired up to the end of war
11.05.44 + D Danubius 1489 BRT 6 aircrafts Il-2 8th GShAP
11.05.44 = D Helga* 1620 BRT aircrafts Il-2 8th VA *destroyed
11.05.44 = Uj 110 7 aircrafts A-20 13th GDBAP
11.05.44 = D Tisza 961 BRT aircrafts
11.05.44 + Uj 310/ KFK Seva landing artillery
11.05.44 + Ml Romania 3157 BRT 12 aircrafts Il-2 47th ShAP, MTB TKA-353, -301
11.05.44 + G 3106 26 BRT Khersones-Constace accident
11.05.44 + G 3162 15 BRT Seva
11.05.44 + Mb SW 2 Khersones-Constace aircrafts
12.05.44 = F 568 43.35N/ 32.10E or 44.14N/ 30.58E SS A-5 or SS SC-201
12.05.44 + Uj 309/ KFK 193
12.05.44 + D Geiserich 712 BRT 11 aircrafts Il-2 8th GShAP
12.05.44 + D Durostor 1309 BRT 12 aircrafts Pe-2 40th BAP
12.05.44 + F 130 43.43,5N/ 32.00E SS S-33

Some sources contain also info about destruction 04.05.44 by aircrafts of several barges. What are the barges?

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Victor
Posted: July 21, 2003 05:00 pm
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Here are some observations:

1. Oituz was not a tug, but a cargo ship. The convoy was attacked more exactly 30 miles SE of Sf. Gheorghe.
2. Was not the Ossag later attacked by M35, which delivered the final blow on 23.04.44?
3. The NMS Regele Ferdinand was damaged on 23.04.1944, when it was attacked near Sevastopol by six bombers at 1326. A bomb entered the oil tank no. 7, but it did not explode. In fact it was only discovered in port, when the 3 mechanics which went in the tank to repair the hole, jumped out of there immediately, as if they had springs (as Raimond Stanescu remembers) :)
4. PTA 404 was damaged during a storm on 25.04.44
5. On 26.04.44 was damaged and immobilized PTA 406 (Romanian MFP), not Rb-37.The latter was used initially to tow it, but could not do it because of the difficult sea. The following day two R-boote towed it back to Sevastopol, where it was repaired.
6. On 9.05.44I found also UJ BW01 mentioned as sunk.
7. UJ 2314 was severely damaged, not sunk, but it left for Constanta.
8. The tanker damaged on 11.05.44 (torpedoed) was not Fredericke, but Firutz.
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Sergey
Posted: July 22, 2003 12:50 pm
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Thank for your remarks and additions!

> Was not the Ossag later attacked by M35, which delivered the final blow on 23.04.44?
What speak your sources about this vessel’s loss?
There is a version about sinking this tanker damaged by aircrafts 22.04.44 the next day, 23.04.44 by German R-boot.

> The tanker damaged on 11.05.44 (torpedoed) was not Fredericke, but Firutz.
The tanker was renamed between 1943 and 1944, wasn’t ?

>On 9.05.44I found also UJ BW01 mentioned as sunk.
What reason and place of his loss ?

You know exact time of loss the following vessels ?
Geiserich, 712 BRT
Seepferd №27, 133 BRT
KT 17
Elbe 5, 500 BRT (and what deadweight has this lighter ?)
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Posted: July 23, 2003 08:12 am
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Koslinski & Stanescu say that during the afternoon of 23.04.44 UJ 103 and Rb-206 tried to tow it back to port. The tanker was attacked by M35, which fired two torpedoes of which one hit. Then the convoy was attacked in two waves: 5 Il-2s and then 20 bombers and fighters. UJ 103claimed three aircraft shot down and suffered minor damages. Despite their effort, the Ossag sank 15 miles SW of Sevastopol at 1602. The M35 was attacked and severely damaged, but managed to get away. The UJ 103 was then attacked by 8 aircraft, of which it claimed another 2. The bridge was destroyed and the engines damaged. The next day it left for Constanta, for repairs, together with Totila and NMS Regele Ferdinand.

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The tanker was renamed between 1943 and 1944, wasn’t ?


I have no idea, but in the reports about the evacuation it is mentioned as Firutz.

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What reason and place of his loss ?  


The UJ BW01 is mentioned as lost together with the barge Var (War) just as they left Sevastopol, after being attacked by Soviet aircraft and artillery.

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It was previously hit by aircraft and was being towed by an R-boot, when it was attacked and sunk by Sc-201 (commander Paramoshkin) on 12 May
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Csaba Becze
Posted: July 23, 2003 09:18 am
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Sergey,

The Budapest and the Tisza didn't sink, just damaged (the Tisza downed 2 Bostons and an Il-2 on 12 May, 1944, after his 'sinking' :wink: )
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Posted: July 23, 2003 09:42 am
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Koslinski & Stanescu say that during the afternoon of 23.04.44 UJ 103 and Rb-206 tried to tow it back to port. The tanker was attacked by M35, which fired two torpedoes of which one hit. Then the convoy was attacked in two waves: 5 Il-2s and then 20 bombers and fighters. UJ 103claimed three aircraft shot down and suffered minor damages. Despite their effort, the Ossag sank 15 miles SW of Sevastopol at 1602. The M35 was attacked and severely damaged, but managed to get away. The UJ 103 was then attacked by 8 aircraft, of which it claimed another 2. The bridge was destroyed and the engines damaged. The next day it left for Constanta, for repairs, together with Totila and NMS Regele Ferdinand.


This day M-35 made launch of two torpedoes at 08:49 on single transport by displacement of 1000 tons in a point 44.23,0N/ 32.01,0E. One explosion was heard through 55 sec, through 20 minutes a vessel in the periscope have not detected.

What time of torpedo’s hit give Koslinski and Stanescu?
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Posted: July 23, 2003 09:46 am
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Dénes, it was your source about the sinking of Budapest and Tisza?
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Posted: July 23, 2003 10:15 am
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What time of torpedo’s hit give Koslinski and Stanescu?


Sorry, they don't give the time.
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Posted: July 23, 2003 10:17 am
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Sergey,

The Budapest and the Tisza didn't sink, just damaged (the Tisza downed 2 Bostons and an Il-2 on 12 May, 1944, after his 'sinking' :wink:  )


+ means sunk
= and # mean damaged

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Sergey
Posted: July 23, 2003 12:35 pm
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Sorry, they don't give the time.

23.04.44 Germans have fixed two attacks of the Soviet submarines:
- in a square L.Qu.2552, 2 torpedoes – unsuccessful attacked Uj 103;
- in a square L.Qu.2556, 2 torpedoes - unsuccessful attacked the same ship.
On the tonnage indicated by the commander of M-35 it’s possible to assume, that he attacked a sub-hunter.
Somebody knows fixed attacks time and what coordinates correspond to these squares ?

About attacks SC-201 12.05.44:
- at 08:59 in a point 44.12N/ 31.05E was attacked transport (presumably, unsuccessfully - Tisza) by displacement of 4500 tons which was towed by a minesweeper, two explosions are heard;
- at 21:12 in a point 44.07,9N/ 30.59,8E was attacked MFP (presumably, was damaged F 568), one explosion is heard.
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Csaba Becze
Posted: July 23, 2003 04:01 pm
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Ok, sorry (BTW what is the different between # and =?)

I have a very brutal remembrance about the attack against the Budapest. Several hundred Rumanian soldiers were on this ship, when the Il-2's attacked this vessel. All of their bullets were hit (means hit the Rumanian soldiers) Real blood brooks were on the Budapest's deck :shock:
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Posted: July 25, 2003 09:14 am
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Ok, sorry (BTW what is the different between # and =?)


= means damaged,
# means severely damaged (in some sources # also means sunk but subsequently raised ships)
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Csaba Becze
Posted: July 25, 2003 03:09 pm
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Thanks, Sergey.

Do you have any suggestions about the river forces? (my topic)
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Posted: July 26, 2003 04:50 am
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Hello!
To the tanker FRIEDERIKE ex FIRUZ some data in German
safe better than no data.

Beautiful weekend

Theo




TM FIRUZ 29/7327 Mittelmeer Reederei
31. 1. 43 in Toulon als franz. Tanker übernommen, Interimsname "Tempo 2"
21./22. 7. 43 Istanbul - Konstanza, 4. 8. 43 ab Varna
6. 8. 43 vor dem Bosporus durch sowj. Uboot "SC 216" torpediert
22. 10. 43 Odessa - Nikolajev
15. 1. 44 an Schiffahrt GmbH, umgenannt in FRIEDERIKE




TM FRIEDERIKE 29/7327 Schiffahrt GmbH DVGA
15. 1. 44 umgenannt (ex "Firuz")
10. 5. 44 ab Konstanza zur Krim
11. 5. 44 westlich der Krim durch Torpede von sowj. Uboot "L 4" beschädigt
30. 8. 44 in Konstanza sowj. Prise "Volgoneft"
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QUOTE (Csaba Becze @ July 23, 2003 09:18 am)
Sergey,

The Budapest and the Tisza didn't sink, just damaged (the Tisza downed 2 Bostons and an Il-2 on 12 May, 1944, after his 'sinking' :wink: )

Probably, Czaba, you know some detailes regarding Tisza damages (how many planes attacked her, time of attack, kind of damages and so). Could you share with them?
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