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nino
Posted: March 19, 2004 02:55 am
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Hi,

I would like to know about the action of Roumanian troops that serving in the Red Army during Battle of Budapest, especially about their performance.
I also would like to know about the feeling of Roumanians against theirs enemies which before were allies (Germans and Hungarians). I know that during the time there was no love left between Roumanians and Hungarians because Transylvania problems.
Is there anybody who could help me about this subject?

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Posted: March 19, 2004 03:21 am
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Like you said ,Romanians and Hungarians were no allies..
Exept of the Tudor Vladimirescu and Horia ,Closca si Crisan div.(that were made from Rom pow)and saw some action in Transilvania ,there were no Romanians in the Red army.
The regular army is the one who fought in Hungary.
So about the fighting against the former allies,let's not forget that the Germans were no traditional allies of ROmania.They came for the oil..
They were respected but there was no love story.
Anyway from what I heard from veterans,after 23 August there were not many actions.The Germans were on the edge and the Romanian forces,after entering Transilvania lost interest.And avoided hight scale fights.
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Posted: March 19, 2004 06:51 am
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nino, pay attention when you open a new thread. This one's place was the Western Front forum.

Moved.
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Posted: March 19, 2004 07:36 am
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Like you said ,Romanians and Hungarians were no allies..
Exept of the Tudor Vladimirescu and Horia ,Closca si Crisan div.(that were made from Rom pow)and saw some action in Transilvania ,there were no Romanians in the Red army.


The Horia, Closca si Crisan Division never saw action. It arrived in Romania in 1945.

As for the Romanians in Budapest, you can start by checking out the biography of Lt. general Sova on the website. He was the CO of ther 7th Corps that took part in the Operation Budapest.

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Anyway from what I heard from veterans,after 23 August there were not many actions.The Germans were on the edge and the Romanian forces,after entering Transilvania lost interest.And avoided hight scale fights.


You understood wrong. The fights were equally ferocious from September 1944 on.
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Posted: March 19, 2004 10:48 pm
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Vets say that fights against Germany were a joy ride comparing the ones against the Soviets.I agree with that.I don't care what some guys write i books....
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Posted: March 20, 2004 03:25 am
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C-2, my grandma's brother wouldn't agree with you... BTW, he died in Tatra Mountains, being cut to pieces by the fire of MG42.
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Posted: March 20, 2004 10:59 am
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Vets say that fights against Germany were a joy ride comparing the ones against the Soviets.I agree with that.I don't care what some guys write i books....


What vets? You talked mostly with pilots, who did not encounter the Luftwaffe that much after September 1944. The soldiers on the ground that had to fight through dense woods, hills, mountains (which by the way you would be unable to climb, not to mention fight your way up) or horrible street-to-street actions, without clothing or food, with an "ally" that treats you as an enemy, would say otherwise. It was no joy ride.

Ever considered that the vets are also humans and that humans can be biased? Greceanu told stories about him flying a Me-262 and Carol Anastasescu about crashing into a B-24. But their stories are not necessarily true.
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Posted: March 20, 2004 06:20 pm
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johnny_bi -could you write more about your family member who died in Tatra Mountains? Where it was? Present Poland or Slovakia? What unit it was?
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johnny_bi -could you write more about your family member who died in Tatra Mountains? Where it was? Present Poland or Slovakia? What unit it was?


Unfortunately, this is all I know from my grandmother. The relatives of my grandma's brother had no idea what happened to him until the '50s when they were visited my an ex-collegue of arms of the missing brother. The collegue told to the family that it is no use to wait him because he died in the fightings form Tatra. He was cut to pieces by a machinegun... The collegue had also bed news for other families from the same village. Aparently, 5,6 guys died in the fighting in Tatra from the same village.
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Posted: March 20, 2004 09:17 pm
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johnny_bi -could you write more about your family member who died in Tatra Mountains? Where it was? Present Poland or Slovakia?

It must had been in Slovakia, as the Rumanian Army did not fight in Poland.
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Posted: March 20, 2004 09:18 pm
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OK, we are wandering off-topic here. :offtopic:

nino, read here http://www.worldwar2.ro/portrete/?article=...e=8&language=en
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Posted: March 20, 2004 09:32 pm
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Victor,vets pilots I see with you. But I talk with veterans before you were born.
If you want names,one of them is Alex Sitaru,a great guy,who fought from 43 till the end.He said(and he'll be happy to talk to you too) that his comandin officer tried to fight as little as posible in order to spare lives.the action he saw was nothing comparing to the East.
Another guy,(I can't tell you his name on the forum),was a few years ago ,a carpenter at hotel Helvetia.The told me similar stories.
He was slightly wonnded(only a schratch) and was told by his comaner ,to play as serios wonded .He was sent back home.
And by the way I never met C.Anastasescu...
Johny_bi,sorry about your relative,but I didn't ment there were no casualies.Only that it's imposible to comper the fights in Stalingrad Odessa Krimea and so on,with the ones in the west.Think about the weather...
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Posted: March 20, 2004 09:42 pm
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If you want names,one of them is Alex Sitaru,a great guy,who fought from 43 till the end.He said(and he'll be happy to talk to you too) that his comandin officer tried to fight as little as posible in order to spare lives.the action he saw was nothing comparing to the East.
Another guy,(I can't tell you his name on the forum),was a few years ago ,a carpenter at hotel Helvetia.The told me similar stories.
He was slightly wonnded(only a schratch) and was told by his comaner ,to play as serios wonded .He was sent back home.


Two people are not enough to generalize.

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And by the way I never met C.Anastasescu...


You did not meet Greceanu also, but that does not have any importance. I was refering to the fact that not all the veterans say is true.

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Only that it's imposible to comper the fights in Stalingrad Odessa Krimea and so on,with the ones in the west.Think about the weather...


And why is that?
Btw, you were the first one doing the comparing. Reread your post from 20 March 12:48 am
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Posted: March 20, 2004 10:06 pm
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I belive that evan if I'll gine you 1000 examples you won't be satisfied. :wink: :loool: :rollroll:
Those veterans didn't told brevary stories about themselfs.They didn't said they flew a F-117 in 45 or rammed a B 24.They just said that they hadn't had a very hard campain in the west comparing to the one in the East.
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Posted: March 22, 2004 12:01 am
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Johny_bi,sorry about your relative,but I didn't ment there were no casualies.Only that it's imposible to comper the fights in Stalingrad Odessa Krimea and so on,with the ones in the west.Think about the weather...


It's ok... I agree that the scale in general, was maybe smaller in the west.
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