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Posted: December 05, 2011 08:28 pm
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Hello everyone,

I just registered because I am trying to find out a little more about the military career of my father Johann "Hans" Kaiser (1919-1984).

He was of german origin and born in the village of Glogowatz (Vladimirescu/Öthalom) near Arad in the Banat.

He first served in the romanian army, in a "Gebirgsjäger"-unit, Vanatori de Munte, but I have no details about the division/brigade.

I do know that he took part in the battle of Sewastopol and Kertsch, in operations in the Caucasus (Naltschik) and finally in Stalingrad.

In 1943 he joined (was transferred to?) the Waffen-SS, fought in Russia, Latvia and by the end of the war with a SS-Tank-regiment in the region of Paderborn, Germany (where I still live).

Is there a thread dealing with ethnic germans (Volksdeutsche) in the romanian army and SS?

I also have some photos from his albums, but I have no information on where and when they were taken.

Any hint is gratefully appreciated.

Michael
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Florin
Posted: December 06, 2011 01:18 am
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If I remember right, in "Aripi īn furtună" (Wings in storm), the author Anton Marin mentioned a German ethnic flying as pilot in the Romanian Royal Aeronautics. He continued to be pilot with ARR after August 23, 1944. His ethnic Romanian colleagues nicknamed him "Neamtul"("The German").
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Posted: December 06, 2011 10:09 pm
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QUOTE (Florin @ December 06, 2011 01:18 am)
If I remember right, in "Aripi īn furtună" (Wings in storm), the author Anton Marin mentioned a German ethnic flying as pilot in the Romanian Royal Aeronautics. He continued to be pilot with ARR after August 23, 1944. His ethnic Romanian colleagues nicknamed him "Neamtul"("The German").

Hello Florin,

thanks for the info. That is interesting too.

I think there must have been thousands of ethnic germans serving in the romanian army.

From the historical point of view it would be interesting to know how many changed uniforms (Wehrmacht/SS) after Stalingrad like my father and under which circumstances - and if there were others who didn't.

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Posted: December 07, 2011 10:09 am
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I think there must have been thousands of ethnic germans serving in the romanian army.

Do not forghet Gen. Hugo Schwab (and even Gen. Artur Phleps)
From this site :
http://lupta-ns.blogspot.com/2009/07/hugo-schwab.html
Till the end of 1943, more than 60,000 young Germans from Romania - have joined the Waffen SS units and approximately 15,000 in the Wehrmacht and the Organization "Todt". Most of those enrolled in the Waffen SS Division 8th Cavalry served in the SS "Florian Geyer" SS Panzer Grenadier Division, the 11. volunteers "Nordland" SS Panzer Grenadier Division, the 17. volunteers "Götz von Berlichingen" Panzer Grenadier Division, the 18. volunteers "Horst Wessel" and the 7. mountain SS Division "Prinz Eugen". To the end of the war many ethnic Germans were used to fill gaps of German units located in all Europe. However, many ethnic Germans did not left the Romanian army, the most famous being General Hugo Schwab - who commissioned between 1941-1944, at a time, the 9th Infantry Division, 3rd Army Corps, the 7th Mountain Corps and Army and General Carol Schmidt who commissioned 19th Infantry Division from June 1941 - March 1943.
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Posted: February 01, 2012 01:12 pm
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Hi Michael,

Was your father a relative of Hauptmann Johann Kaiser, who fought with 90.IR and died in 1942 ?
I had also family in the Banat region.
PM me if I can help you, I'll try...
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Posted: July 14, 2014 12:58 pm
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From the Soviet Bureau of Informations (Sovinformbiuro) :
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Informarea de dimineaţă, 5 Аprilie 1943
Īn Kuban a fost capturat un grup de soldaţi din Div. 19 inf. rom. Soldatul prizonier Ion Demeter povesteşte: «Pānă in februarie Div. 19 rom. a fost comandată de un german, generalul Schmidt. El a fost rănit pe timpul unui raid al aviaţiei ruse. Acum divizia o comandă col. Webber, tot german. Soldaţii īl numesc «cāinele german». Cānd ruşii s-au apropiat de gara unde ne aflam, germanii au plecat repede iar noi am rămas ca acoperire. Asta a stārnit nemulţumire nu doar soldaţilor, dar şi ofiţerilor. Mulţii soldaţi au lăsat muniţia, armele şi s-au retras. Cāţiva s-au ascuns prin case, aşteptānd să vină ruşii şi să se predea».
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Informarea la 6 iunie 1944
Prizonierul cpt. Nicolae Alexandrescu, Cdt. Comp. 3, Reg. 12, Div. 15 inf. a relatat: «Īn toamna 1941 divizia a fost īnfrāntă la Odessa. Rămăşiţele ei au fost retrase īn spate, pentru reformare. După cam un an, divizia a fost trimisă īn raionul Kletskaia, unde īn două luni a pierdut 12 mii oameni. Divizia a fost reformată a treia oară şi trimisă iar pe front. Divizia o comandă Gen.brig. Ştefan Bardan. La statul major al diviziei se află maiorul german Wendt, ajutor este oberleutnant Gressel şi cāţiva funcţionari. Germanul Wendt este de fapt stăpānul. Acesta īi anula fără jenă ordinele comandantului diviziei şi făcea totul cum considera el.
Soldaţii romāni nu vor să lupte pentru Hitler. Despre asta m-am convis īncă o dată la ultima luptă. ... Odată cu mine s-au predat locot. Leşu, locot. maj. Roşca şi locot. Răşcanu».
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Prizonierul cpt. Florian Suceveanu, Cdt. Esc. 87 Bomb. a relatat: «Nemţii domină complet īn Romānia. La toate statele majore de sus pānă jos sunt nemţi. Ei conduc de fapt unităţile romāne. Comandamentele romāneşti există doar de faţadă. La mine au detaşat drept consilier cu drepturi nelimitate un locotenent german. Acesta a devenit stăpān atotputernic īn escadrilă. Deşi era locotenent iar eu căpitan, mi s-a ordonat să-i dau toată ascultarea. Se amesteca īn toate şi īmi anula fără jenă ordinele. Aşa stă treaba īn īntreaga armată romānă. Nemţii au acaparat autoritatea īn māinile lor şi i-au dat la o parte pe ofiţerii romāni».
Un comandant de companie din Div. 3 inf. rom. trecut de partea Armatei Roşii, cpt. Ion B. a informat: «La toate subunităţile diviziei au trimis instructori şi controlori nemţi. La mine la companie a fost trimis un feldwebel german. Un gestapovist mărunt, tipic. Īn fiecare dimineaţă acesta apărea la companie să afle ce vorbesc ofiţerii şi soldaţii. Feldwebel-ul īşi băga nasul peste tot, urmărea fiecare pas al ofiţerilor, le făcea observaţii. Eram foarte revoltaţi de comportamentul acestui neamţ obraznic. Ofiţerii mi se plāngeau, iar eu nu aveam putere să fac ceva».


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Posted: April 12, 2016 03:30 pm
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Hello,

My grandfather was also a Romanian German who fought in the Romanian Army in WWII. He was born in Buziaș in 1907. I contacted the Romanian civil service archives, and they sent me the following data about his service:

- August 18, 1941-November 22, 1941: at front with 7th Pioneer Regiment
- March 22, 1942-April 6, 1943: at front with 57th [Truck?] Company
- April 17, 1944: drafted into the German army in accordance with terms of the Convention signed between the Reich Government and the Government of Romania of May 12, 1943.

From 1942 to 1943 it says (in original Romanian) that he was in the "Compania 57th Auto." I haven't been able to figure out this company's place within the general organization of the army. Any help on this would be appreciated!

Also: the above information is helpful to a certain extent, but I was hoping to gain more specific information. We know he was wounded multiple times and captured at least once, for example, and I would like more details about that. Is it likely that there are more records in the Romanian archives that would provide those details? Do you have to go to the archives in person to get this kind of information?

Many thanks in advance!

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Posted: September 17, 2016 09:42 am
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57th Truck Company should be the truck company of the 7th Corps, which in 1942-43 was on the front in Crimea and then South of Stalingrad.
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Posted: March 22, 2017 12:43 pm
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I have the same question.
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