Polish tool-kit for PZL?, And cheap

I found this interesting add http://www.okazii.ro/catalog/38058596/lada...-PZL-P-11c.html on okazii, the item is apparently a toolkit for a PZL airplane, the seller asks only 3500 euro. I'm sure that there are many people out there looking for such a bargain. I wonder what would be the price for the entire airplane?

A tool set this complete and in this state could go for serious money at an open auction. If the tools are genuine and pristine, he has a treasure there.
Radu

Still, 3500 Euros is way off mark.

Gen. Dénes

I personaly saw the set tools and I guarantee they are genuine polish made for PZL 11C.

An ordinary today aircraft repair kits price is around 1700$
http://store-planetools.com/143-pcaircraft...icstoolset.aspx

Yes, 3500 Euros are a lot of money if you are not interested to have a rare WW2 item. But don't forget this is an asked price not the selling price.
If somebody is interested could make a deal with the seller.
I personally asked the seller why he wanted to sell this tool kit and he reply that he need the money to buy a professional metal detector (aprox 2000-3000$) to find ww2 airplanes wrecks in the ground around Ploesti.

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on February 08, 2010 02:48 am

Cipiamon has a P11 toolkit ?

Wrong question

It's not him. Cipiamon is happy with his toy metal detector.
This guy is from Ploesti but has the same hobby like Cipiamon.

Here are some wrecks from his collection:

Iak-1



Bf 110


B-24 Liberator


Wellington


This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on February 08, 2010 08:58 am

WoW!

Yes it is a lot of money.

If this were listed on Ebay, it would send the world of collectors completely bananas and it may actually fetch that much (if not more).

This set is in outstanding condition, it is complete and in its original box that is in almost pristine condition and painted with the original paint. There ae lot of things going for it.

Radu

This is what they called a "Trusa cu scule pentru escadrila". [Squadron Tool Kit]. This was a set of specialied tools that were supplied to the service/maintenance groundcrew, they were kept in the workshop and were intended to be used on all aircraft of the unit.

Each aircraft came with its own "Trusa cu scule de bord" [On-board Tool Kit] - this was a set of basic tools that were kept in a canvas wallet and stowed on board.

In other words, the Squadron Tool Kit was rare and only a handful of them were ever issued. The fact that this survived the war so complete and in such good condition is nothing short of a miracle.

This is the closest equivalent of a "Cap de Bour" stamp.

Radu

This post has been edited by Radub on February 08, 2010 09:57 am

Every antique item is worth exactly what people are willing to pay for it. I just personally thought that this isn't worth 3500 Euros, but I am not an aviation artefact collector (rather a photo collector, if you will).

As for his collection of aircraft parts, great stuff! Nice to see that such collection does exist in Rumania. Please convey my greetings to him.

By the way, W. Nr. 2346 was a Bf 110E-3, damaged 60% in Russia on 42. febr. 21. Probably, it had an after-crash life and somehow ended up in Rumania (as a night fighter?).

Gen. Dénes

Interesting info. The part is a hatch from the right wing (R from Recht) and was found near Ploesti posible from one of the german planes shot down by AA near Berceni village after 23 august events.

I agree absolutely. I alsowonder sometimes at the money some people are willing to pay for certain kits.
As a model builder I came across insane prices myself. Look up for example the price of a 1/48 Cutting Edge Privateer. It can go for as much as 1000USD on Ebay. Look up the price of a 1/32 Obscureco F2G Super Corsair Conversion. You are talking close to 1000 again, and that if you are lucky because only 100 of them were ever made. This is rarer than the proverbial hen's teeth.
I am aslo a book collector. Where do I start?

I have a friend who is restoring a genuine WW2 Jeep. He spends a lot of time at fairs and meetings where he buys spares and parts. He is a regular at Beltring War & Peace shows.
Part of the restoration he is doing is restoring everything, all the way down to the decals on the air filter for example. A while ago he was telling me about the trials and tribulations he had to go though in order to put together his "on-bard tool kit". One single genuine Jeep spanner with the original coating can sell for as much 200 US Dollars. A genuine original "matchbox" with tyre valves can go for up to 1000 USD (yes, one thousand dollars) because they were the first thing that got lost in the field and because it was cardboard and was destroyed very quickly. It is believed that only about 10 of them exist in the world right now. It is that "rarity" that dictates the price.

I do not know the owner of this tool kit and I am not trying to "talk up" the price or even justify it. Polish Aviation has a lot of followers, particularly among the Polish diaspora in Israel or USA, and genuine Polish WW2 militaria (specially related to the war with Germany) can fetch serious money, mostly due to its scarcity.

This is rare and the condition it is in makes is extra special.

That tool kit is wasted on Oazii.ro. Cantacuzino, tell your friend that it should be listed on Ebay - it has better chances there.

Radu

Just in case somebody thinks the examples given by Radub are crazy, well here is one even more, err, disturbing:
http://www.aircraftslides.com/Auction/Auct....aspx?ID=587340
A slide (diapozitiv in Ro) showing a mundane Italian AF C-119 transporter, probably from the 60's or 70's.
Hardly a rarity, but still it went for 922 USD

Does anyone knows what happened with that? Somebody bought it?