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Carol I
Posted: November 23, 2004 10:07 pm
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QUOTE (aviatiadasenzatia @ Nov 23 2004, 10:30 PM)
BTW what I wrote you I took it from Klietmann's book.

I had the impression that none of Carol II's dynastic orders was awarded after his abdication, even though they were never formally disbanded.
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aviatiadasenzatia
Posted: November 24, 2004 11:01 am
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What exactly do you mean by dynastic orders ? (Bene Merenti or For Merit )
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Posted: November 24, 2004 11:21 am
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Nov 23 2004, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (aviatiadasenzatia @ Nov 23 2004, 10:30 PM)
BTW what I wrote you I took it from Klietmann's book.

I had the impression that none of Carol II's dynastic orders was awarded after his abdication, even though they were never formally disbanded.

Do you mean all the orders created during Carol 2 ? If yes , then you are wrong!
Think please at the following orders wich were awarded also in the King Michael period:
- ord. virtutea aeronautica
- ord. meritul cultural
- ord. pentru merit
- ord. agricol
- ord. serviciul credincios...........
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Carol I
Posted: November 24, 2004 11:33 am
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QUOTE (aviatiadasenzatia @ Nov 24 2004, 12:01 PM)
What exactly do you mean by dynastic orders ? (Bene Merenti or For Merit )

The dynastic orders instituted by King Carol II were:

- The Order for Merit
- The Order of the Ruling House
- The Bene Merenti Order (disappeared in March 1940)
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Carol I
Posted: November 24, 2004 11:35 am
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QUOTE (b737 @ Nov 24 2004, 12:21 PM)
Think please at the following orders wich were awarded also in the King Michael period:
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- ord. pentru merit
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- ord. serviciul credincios

Do you have any names of awardees and/or decree numbers? I would be most interested to find out when and why these orders were awarded during the reign of King Michael.
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Posted: November 25, 2004 09:55 am
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Sorry, for getting this information you must go to Bukarest and search in the "Arhiva statului" .I think you would spend some weeks there untill yo find this information. ;)
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Carol I
Posted: November 25, 2004 05:46 pm
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QUOTE (b737 @ Nov 25 2004, 10:55 AM)
Sorry, for getting this information you must go to Bukarest and search in the "Arhiva statului" .I think you would spend some weeks there untill yo find this information. ;)

I have the impression that this has been tried already and nothing was found, hence the idea that these orders were not awarded during the reign of King Mihai. Furthermore, I did not see any photo from that period showing a person wearing these orders. This led me to the supposition that the (former) dynastic orders instituted by King Carol II and the Order for Loyal Service fell into disuse during September 1940-December 1947. I am however looking for any information which will either prove or disprove this.

I thus thought that you have some hard evidence that demonstrates that these orders were awarded during the period of King Michael, but it seems I was wrong.

So I am launching again the appeal for any information that will prove that the Order for Merit, the Order of the Ruling House or the Order for Loyal Service were actively used between September 1940 and December 1947. This information might be any of the following: the name of a person receiving the award, the decree number and/or date, a photo taken after September 1940 showing someone wearing the insignia of the orders under discussion etc. Thanks.

P.S. I think the discussion is now (Orders in use during the reign of King Mihai) quite far from the initial topic (regarding the badge of the Order for Aeronautical Virtue).
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Posted: November 25, 2004 07:23 pm
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Yes, you are offtopic, but the digression seems to be over.
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Carol I
Posted: December 29, 2005 06:11 pm
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Now on eBay there is a 'Virtutea Aeronautică' badge with the central shield in a darker colour than the arms of the cross. Is this badge genuine or not?

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Posted: December 29, 2005 07:47 pm
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Here is another one that is on sale on eBay:

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Carol I
Posted: February 01, 2006 09:08 pm
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One more officer's cross of the Order for Aeronautical Virtue with a darker central shield. Lots of similar officer's crosses are surfacing lately! ;)

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Posted: February 04, 2006 02:31 pm
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Carol I
Posted: March 14, 2006 08:57 am
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Posted: March 14, 2006 01:23 pm
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:ph34r: You forgot to post this picture too.
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Posted: March 14, 2006 01:27 pm
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Feb 1 2006, 09:08 PM)
One more officer's cross of the Order for Aeronautical Virtue with a darker central shield. Lots of similar officer's crosses are surfacing lately! ;)

(IMG:http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/4461/6249103538a3jb.jpg) (IMG:http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/4243/6249103538r7wo.jpg)

Sorry , this one is not a officer V.A. , it is a commodore Virtue. :) The seller didn't knew this , and it seems no one payed attention on detalils.
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