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QUOTE (Dénes @ Nov 21 2005, 06:33 PM)
Perhaps another project for you? ;)

Yes, very much so. I was very inspired by the pictures and by the profile. That was why I was asking for the extra info.

BTW, if those were dices, any idea what the "draw" may be? 6-6? (as in "check six")

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Posted: November 21, 2005 09:44 pm
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Valid observations, Radu. None of those details are depicted in the colour profile.



Radu, because this color profile is not so much detailed and not depict corectly the real "yellow 14", I strongly advice to choose one of the best color profile of romanian Bf 109 G the "yellow 3". Unfortunetly I don't remember the source (Mayby Osprey ?). :P It's very well documented and represent 100% the real plane. :lol:



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In the top picture, near the left edge of the picture, one can see the last two letters of a word (right above the red D, in "D. M. Collection"). Any idea what that word was?

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'Yellow 14' was in fact a G-2 previously flown by 9./JG 77. It crash landed SE of Mizil in January 1944
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The name written under cockpit was probably the girl friend, wife or petdog of ex 9/JG 77 pilot who flew this particular Bf-109.

So the only one who can help you ( for the detective work) to find this pilot from 9/JG 77 is Denes. :P

I attached a close up with the last visible letters from this name. It could be ..Ril but also ...RA (like Werra ?)

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QUOTE (Dénes @ Nov 21 2005, 06:33 PM)
Perhaps another project for you? 



Yes, very much so. I was very inspired by the pictures and by the profile. That was why I was asking for the extra info.

BTW, if those were dices, any idea what the "draw" may be? 6-6? (as in "check six")

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This was the ideea when i posted this color profile. As an inspiration for future modelers projects.
I didn't post it for critics. :P I'm not payed like some authors of published profiles ;)
Only one side color profile it's never enough for a modeller but the dreams are starting with. :roll:
The reserch it'a long story and hard work. That why i post pictures from different angles and sources.
As a modeller you will never get correct answers to all your questions ( only if someone invented the "time machine " :D )
Most of the time you will use the experience and "educated guess" to solve your issue as close as posible.

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The reserch it'a long story and hard work. That why i post pictures from different angles and sources.
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The reserch it'a long story and hard work. That why i post pictures from different angles and sources.


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Hi Cantacuzino,
When I asked my questions I was only looking for help with an eventual model. No criticism intended.

Do you know whether the square white panels under the roundels were applied to the wings as well? (For example, is there a precedent: were there any such panels on other planes?)

Thanks for the info supplied so far.
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BTW, if those were dices, any idea what the "draw" may be? 6-6? (as in "check six")

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I don't have any clue for this dices ( that why i didn't painted on the color profile) For me looks very strange like square objects in the air with shadows on the fuselage :blink:


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The more I look at them, the less I beleive those are "dice".
May be some sort of marking.
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Posted: November 21, 2005 11:00 pm
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Hi Cantacuzino,
When I asked my questions I was only looking for help with an eventual model. No criticism intended.

Do you know whether the square white panels under the roundels were applied to the wings as well? (For example, is there a precedent: were there any such panels on other planes?)

Thanks for the info supplied so far.
Radu


I was not talking about you. We are both from the same family of modellers.And you know why I started a thread like this ( for onest debate and not for eye critics)

As for the white square on the wings. If I will go back in time as the " Painter" i will paint all the german markings with the same paint( white) because is more practic.

Using white paint for cover old markings was not a common issue. It was rarely used. Most of the coverings were done with dark color (green or dark grey)

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Posted: November 22, 2005 01:43 am
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Cantacuzino,
First and foremost, if you cannot handle valid criticism, don't post. No post = no problem. However, if you still post, then be prepared for criticism from anyone, including myself. Try to defend your position by using proofs and solid arguments, not feelings, upsets, etc.
Second, modelling and history cannot be separated. First comes history then modelling based on historical data (as much as it's available).
Third, I don't believe in colour artwork. Anyone can draw up pretty pictures, which may or may not be historically accurate (usually not) and can generate endless debates.
Fourth and final, I am posting corrections and additions on this forum, including your numerous posts, whenever it's necessary and I have info about, and not because of any personal vendetta or similar things you might imagine. Simply, I am not into this. I am into writing about and clarifying details connected to the history of Rumanian aviation and history in general. Period.

Now let's get back to business and try to sort out the details of this intriguing machine, as much as we can. Shall we?

Gen. Dénes

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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Nov 22 2005, 03:44 AM)
I strongly advice to choose one of the best color profile of romanian Bf 109 G  the "yellow 3". Unfortunetly I don't remember the source (Mayby Osprey ?).  :P  It's very well documented and represent 100% the real plane. :lol:

If you have any comments regarding this profile, open a new thread, don't mix up stuff here.

I will hapily convey your criticism to John Weal, the profile's author, along with your name and e-mail address, so he can reply to you directly if he wishes so.

Gen. Dénes

P.S. I see that the profile of Yellow 14 published above was created by Dan Melinte, so please convey my corrections to him. :D

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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Nov 22 2005, 03:57 AM)
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'Yellow 14' was in fact a G-2 previously flown by 9./JG 77. It crash landed SE of Mizil in January 1944
Denes



The name written under cockpit was probably the girl friend, wife or petdog of ex 9/JG 77 pilot who flew this particular Bf-109.

So the only one who can help you ( for the detective work) to find this pilot from 9/JG 77 is Denes. :P

The German pilot's name was Uffz. Rolf Olejniczak. It could be a significant clue.

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