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Question about Romanian Panzer IVJ| Jarek PL |
Posted: March 15, 2005 12:26 pm
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It's my first post here, so I want to welcome everybody.
I'm looking for info on Romanian Panzer IVJ's used in autumn 1944 against Germans. I saw in Polish book (Militaria series no 147) a color profile of a tank with number 421 with description that it was a J version, but profile looks to me as a H (driver side visor). Tank on this profile is dunkelgelb overall with exception of a turret shurtzen which are dunkelgelb with olive patches. My question: Is it really a J version or tank number 421 was a H? Have you a photo of Romanian PzIVJ with olive patches? http://jarek.ukw.edu.pl/rumun1small.jpg (credit: Janusz Ledwoch, Panzer IV, vol.II. Wydawnictwo Militaria, no 147, 2001) TIA Jarek Gurgul This post has been edited by Jarek PL on May 21, 2008 12:34 pm |
 
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| dragos |
Posted: March 15, 2005 05:09 pm
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Hello Jarek,
The cammo scheme looks similar to a photo of T-4 number 411, a Panzer IV H delivered by the 23rd Panzer Division, in the summer of 1944. http://www.worldwar2.ro/foto/?id=231&area=...=13&language=en A correction to the profile: Detaşamentul blindat general Niculescu (the Armored Detachment General Niculescu) did not participate in the operations in Hungary, being disbanded on 28 September 1944. |
 
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| nox |
Posted: October 27, 2005 08:51 pm
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Fruntas  Group: Members Posts: 92 Member No.: 642 Joined: August 07, 2005 |
Pz4 in Moravia 1945
  Picture from HPM  Thanks Ruy Aballe  |
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| Cantacuzino |
Posted: October 28, 2005 04:48 am
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The 'Khaky Star" outlined for better position view on this rom. PzIV picture.  |
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| nox |
Posted: October 28, 2005 10:23 am
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 92 Member No.: 642 Joined: August 07, 2005 |
Do you know others pictures of pz4 in Moravia campaign?
 R1, R2, T4, T3, sdkfz 251, R35, Tacam? with or without khaky star?  Very known picture  |
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| Cantacuzino |
Posted: October 28, 2005 11:19 am
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Hi Nox, I understand that you have the HPM article for Moravia campain. So you should know other pictures with rom. PZ's  |
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| Cantacuzino |
Posted: October 28, 2005 11:27 am
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Hi Jarek, Do you know if the author of rom. PzIV color profile (from the Polish book) used an original picture ? |
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| nox |
Posted: October 28, 2005 12:01 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 92 Member No.: 642 Joined: August 07, 2005 |
I have just photocopy of the article with this Pz4 picture, that Ruy send to me.
 But if you know others pictures of romanian armor, don't hesitate to post them, I'm fan  Thanks |
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| Cantacuzino |
Posted: October 28, 2005 12:12 pm
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If you have the article don't hesitate to post more info and pictures with Moravian campain I'm fan too This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on October 28, 2005 12:13 pm |
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| nox |
Posted: October 28, 2005 12:54 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 92 Member No.: 642 Joined: August 07, 2005 |
As said Ruy in Photos of Romanian tanks in Moravia'45 post:
"It contains the following photos: a M3 and a SU-76 destroyed in Lanzhot, two photos of Soviet 122 howitzers M 1938 firing against German positions, two shots of US-made M-16 AA mount on half-tracks; there's also a photo of a destroyed Romanian Pz.IV Ausf.J." And sorry I don't read czech As soon as I have new picture on romanian armor, I post it in this forum |
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| nox |
Posted: January 19, 2006 04:08 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 92 Member No.: 642 Joined: August 07, 2005 |
 not very beautiful, but just!  amateur job |
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| Victor |
Posted: January 19, 2006 04:12 pm
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Sources, please.
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| nox |
Posted: January 19, 2006 04:20 pm
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Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 92 Member No.: 642 Joined: August 07, 2005 |
my small fingers while transforming 2 profils of
Janusz Ledwoch, Panzer IV, vol.II. Wydawnictwo Militaria, no 147, 2001 Tomas Jakl,May 1945 in the Czech Lands, Ground Operations of the Axis and Allied Forces Again sorry photo evidence HPM, trupele blindate din armata romana 1919-1947 |
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| mihnea |
 Posted: January 19, 2006 08:59 pm
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The first T-IV drawing is seen in mirror. It should be like the one beneath it. However you did a very good job. I made the correction for you.  I hope you don't mind. |
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| Cantacuzino |
Posted: January 20, 2006 02:32 am
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I think it's better the star should be "Khaky" to match better the veterans descriptions and the color paint used in romanian units.  |
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