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> Clasps of the Crusade Medal, Formerly known as "Rod"
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Posted: March 06, 2005 09:47 pm
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Somebody has information how much was is given of such rods?
And somebody has rod Stalingrad? If there is that send a photo!
Beforehand is grateful.

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Posted: March 07, 2005 11:00 pm
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The bar you have posted belongs to the "Crusade against Comunism"medal.There are two types of bars , silvered and bronze.The bars for this medal are:
- AZOV
- BASARABIA
- BUCOVINA
- BUG
- CAUCAZ
- CRIMEA
- DOBROGEA
- DONET
- MAREA NEAGRA
- NIPRU
- NISTRU
- ODESSA
and I have saw a non mentioned bar named KALMUCEA
I don't know nothing about a bar named Stalingrad,never heard about it!!!

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Posted: March 08, 2005 06:31 pm
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Posted: March 08, 2005 07:52 pm
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New question.
What to receive this rod it is enough to have " Crusade against Comunism " medal. Or how that to be distinguished?
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Posted: March 09, 2005 07:10 am
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The owner had to participate in the particular campaign. In this case, the soldier who lost this rod had fought at Odessa in 1941.
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Posted: March 10, 2005 07:19 pm
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I have seen mentioned many bars for this medal, but I do not know if they are all authentic. Please find below their list:

AZOV
BASARABIA
BUCOVINA
BUG
CAUCAZ
CALMUCIA
CRIMEEA
CRIMEIA
DOBROGEA
DONEŢ
KALMUCEA
MAREA NEAGRĂ
MARE NEGRU (misspelling ?)
NIPRU
NISTRU
DNJESTR (for Germans?)
ODESA
ODESSA
PRUT
STALINGRAD
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Posted: March 11, 2005 09:12 pm
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AZOV bar

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Posted: March 11, 2005 09:16 pm
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BUG, MARE NEGRU, DNJESTR bars
DONEŢ and BASARABIA bars
BUG and DONEŢ silvered bars
DOBROGEA and CRIMEA bars

Source: Internet auction

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Posted: March 11, 2005 09:23 pm
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It seems that there were two kinds of bars: "regular" and silvered. Does anyone know what the requirements for each of them?

It cannot be a random occurrence, as in the certificate of Obergefreiter Müller Gerhard above it was specified that he was awarded the medal with the silvered Crimea bar ("cu Bareta Crimeia /argintată/").
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Posted: March 12, 2005 02:21 pm
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It seems that there were two kinds of bars: "regular" and silvered. Does anyone know what the requirements for each of them?



Klietmann indicates that the bronze bar was for a participant only in that particular battle, whereas a silvered bar was for a participant in that battle and in previous battles wherein a bar was awarded.
That seems odd to me as how many times have you seen multiple bars on the medal all in bronze.
There was a Stalingrad bar that is very rare although copies are out there.
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Posted: March 12, 2005 04:05 pm
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QUOTE (Cuza @ Mar 12 2005, 03:21 PM)
Klietmann indicates that the bronze bar was for a participant only in that particular battle, whereas a silvered bar was for a participant in that battle and in previous battles wherein a bar was awarded.
That seems odd to me as how many times have you seen multiple bars on the medal all in bronze.

I don't think this explanation makes much sense for the reasons you mentioned. Furthermore, if Klietmann is right, the cases with multiple bars should always be one bronze bar and the remaining silvered bars. But in the images above with multiple bars they are either all bronze or all silvered (if they are authentic).

Besides, in the certificate of Obergefreiter Müller Gerhard above it is specified that he was also awarded the medal, not only the silvered bar for the medal (which meant a second bar according to Klietmann). This could be interpreted as that was his first award both for the medal and the bar. Hence, his first bar was a silvered one, in contradiction to Klietmann's statement.
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Posted: March 12, 2005 11:29 pm
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QUOTE (Cuza @ Mar 12 2005, 03:21 PM)
There was a Stalingrad bar that is very rare although copies are out there.

Do you happen to have an image of the Stalingrad bar?
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