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Targul Frumos Battle May 1944, Targul Frumos Battle May 1944

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Carol I	Posted: March 20, 2005 09:22 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	Hill north-west of Târgu Frumos (Hill 372?) Attached Image

Carol I	Posted: March 20, 2005 09:22 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	Northern approach to Târgu Frumos Attached Image

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Posted: August 14, 2005 07:58 pm

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QUOTE (Carol I @ Mar 12 2005, 12:21 AM)

I have found in Magazin istoric 9/2004 the following fragment by Constantin Isărescu about the events following the battle of Târgu Frumos in May 1944.

QUOTE (Constantin Isărescu)

On 18 April we have arrived to Iaşi, where we have changed a cavalry division that was completely destroyed. In that area, north of Iaşi, the Romanian and Russian troops were positioned face to face. They were in advantage, as they occupied the heights. They could see all our movements. On 28, 29, 30 May 1944 we and the Germans have tried to take the Russians out of their positions. Our attack area extended from Ungheni to Târgu Frumos. Our objective was to get the Russians down to Jijia. We have even managed to repel them over the Prut. On the other side, from Târgu Frumos to Piatra Neamţ, our offensive did not succeed.

In an earlier article with the frontline recollections of Constantin Isărescu, the succession of the events following the battle of Târgu Frumos is somewhat changed:

QUOTE (Constantin Isărescu)

On 15 April [1944] we occupied the positions north of Iaşi, replacing the 8th Cavalry Division that had large losses.
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On 30 May 1944, the German-Romanian counteroffensive has begun on all the frontline, in the area of the enemy inlet between Piatra Neamţ-Paşcani and Târgul Frumos-Ungheni-North Chişinău.
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The objective of the 3rd Dorobanţi Regiment, operating together with the other regiments of the 11th Infantry Division was, for that day, to push back the Soviet units to the Jijia Valley. This objective was reached. Furthermore, in some places the enemy was thrown over the Pruth. Many prisoners were also captured. This was the result of the first day. Unfortunately the fights resulted in many dead and wounded among our ranks.
In the other areas of the German-Romanian counteroffensive, between Piatra Neamţ-Târgul Frumos, there have not been recorded any successes. For this reasons the situation worsened in the sector of the 11th Infantry Division, where the enemy continued the counterattack in 31 May, 1, 2 and 3 June, seeking to reach the lost positions.

Source: Magazin istoric 1/1999

Does anyone know the right chronology of events? Was the German-Romanian counteroffensive taking place between 28 and 30 May 1944 or from 30 May 1944 onwards?

Victor	Posted: August 17, 2005 06:29 am
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4350 Member No.: 3 Joined: February 11, 2003	The classical Batle of Targu Frumos happened a month before this action. I don't know too many details on this local offensive carried out by Axis forces at the end of May 1944. It, however, won a Ritterkreuz for the CO of the 11th Infantry Division, gen. Edgar Radulescu. My impression is that the "offensive" stopped on 30 May. Btw, Constantin Isarescu is the father of Mugur Isarescu, the governor of the National Bank of Romania in the past 15 years.

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Posted: August 19, 2005 08:17 pm

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QUOTE (Victor @ Aug 17 2005, 07:29 AM)

The classical Batle of Targu Frumos happened a month before this action. I don't know too many details on this local offensive carried out by Axis forces at the end of May 1944. It, however, won a Ritterkreuz for the CO of the 11th Infantry Division, gen. Edgar Radulescu. My impression is that the "offensive" stopped on 30 May.

Yes, this has been mentioned several times on this thread. But my impression is that relatively little is known about either of these two so any piece of information would be quite welcome.

QUOTE (Victor @ Aug 17 2005, 07:29 AM)

Btw, Constantin Isarescu is the father of Mugur Isarescu, the governor of the National Bank of Romania in the past 15 years.

Indeed he is. And the National Bank is one of the biggest sponsors for Magazin Istoric.

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QUOTE (Carol I @ Mar 20 2005, 09:22 PM)

Northern approach to Târgu Frumos

Hello Carol,

thanks for these pictures which make it posisble to imagine the landscape very well!

Does anyone have pictures of this area shot during May and/or August and/or October? If possible, aerial shots? Would be great!

Thanks!

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Posted: January 28, 2006 11:43 pm

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QUOTE (yogy @ Jan 16 2006, 08:56 PM)

Hello Carol,

thanks for these pictures which make it posisble to imagine the landscape very well!

You are welcome.

QUOTE (yogy @ Jan 16 2006, 08:56 PM)

Does anyone have pictures of this area shot during May and/or August and/or October?

The photos I posted might be considered representative for October-November, as I took them during a snowless period in winter.

Carol I	Posted: January 30, 2006 07:29 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2250 Member No.: 136 Joined: November 06, 2003	One quite important loss of the fights in 1944, yet often overlooked, has been the Cuza Palace in Ruginoasa. In contrast to the Sturza Palace in Miclăuşeni that fared rather well the war, the Cuza mansion has been badly damaged during the Soviet offensive in 1944. I suspect this happened during the Târgu Frumos battle when Ruginoasa changed hands several times. The palace remained in a derelict state for 25 years, the first restoration works beginning in 1969. The restoration has been finished only in 1982 when the reconstructed palace has been transformed into a museum. Ruginoasa palace after the war: Source: Cuza la Ruginoasa by Theodor Râşcanu

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QUOTE (Carol I @ Jan 30 2006, 08:29 PM)

Ruginoasa palace after the war:
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Source: Cuza la Ruginoasa by Theodor Râşcanu

Ruginoasa palace nowadays (almost the same angle):
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Source: Palace of Culture

yogy	Posted: February 09, 2006 11:25 am
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 72 Member No.: 567 Joined: April 14, 2005	Yes, I remember Stuka-Chef Rudel talking about that castle in his memoirs! SG2 supported german Nice detail!

D13-th_Mytzu	Posted: February 09, 2006 07:48 pm
General de brigada Group: Members Posts: 1058 Member No.: 328 Joined: August 20, 2004	Yogy Rugimoasa is on the map and also a hotspot me zinks we should do the castle.

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QUOTE (yogy @ Feb 9 2006, 12:25 PM)

Yes, I remember Stuka-Chef Rudel talking about that castle in his memoirs! SG2 supported german Nice detail!

Do you know which one he meant, the palace in Ruginoasa or the palace in Miclăuşeni?

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Posted: February 13, 2006 09:15 am

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The situation on the left wing of GD was finally restored with the support of the Luftwaffe, which arrived on the scene around 1535 (having been instructed by Schörner to throw everything available at the Soviet concentrations west of Bals. Between 1535 and 1700, German aircraft shot up enemy vehicle columns moving up to support the Soviet effort southwest of the town.

Can anyone id Bals ? I found somewhere saying it is 9m NW of Targul, but I cannot find it on maps.

RHaught	Posted: March 04, 2006 11:25 am
Sublocotenent Group: Members Posts: 404 Member No.: 93 Joined: August 30, 2003	Luftwaffe topo map of the region (Iasi) Redid so easier to see. This post has been edited by RHaught on March 05, 2006 10:25 am

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