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Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 07, 2006 03:58 pm
I know you will hate me for this.. but I need to locate Octiabri and Vajni in Odessa sector smile.gif My guess is that they are west of Odessa.

Posted by: Dénes January 07, 2006 04:44 pm
Yes, we hate you, Mytzu ph34r.gif

Oktyabry:
http://www.worldwar2.ro/operatii/?article=7
http://worldwar2.ro/operatii/?article=5&language=en

As for Vajni, I couldn't find a match.
Perhaps you're looking for Yuzhny?

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Victor January 07, 2006 06:02 pm
Oktyabry was near Vygoda railroad station, NW of Odessa. See the map:
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Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 07, 2006 08:30 pm
Thanks you Victor and Denes - I was actually looking for a location on a map - the ones I have do not show these two locations. The names I got from the book Victor recomended to me some time ago (Maresalul I. Antonescu la Odessa). I will probably bother you with some other details smile.gif Thanks again !

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 08, 2006 11:50 am
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On 10 August, in the sector of the 3rd Corps, the bulk of the 7th Infantry Division reached Elssas, while the Guard Division arrived on the alignment Strassburg - Petra Evdokievka. In the sector of the 5th Army, the 1st Armored Division advanced fast and defeated the Soviet forces at Bol. Buzhalyk, on the Odessa first line of defense.


Any ideea where Bol. Buzhalyk is ? Been looking for it untill my eyes poped out blink.gif

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 08, 2006 01:00 pm
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The 1st Cavalry Brigade took Severinovka and joined the 1st Armored Division. The 10th Dorobanti Regiment defeated the Soviet forces at Lozovaya.


Does anyone know where Lozovaya is unsure.gif should be near Severinovka (which I found)..

Posted by: Victor January 08, 2006 01:43 pm
Bol. Buzhalyk is to the North of Odessa, on the railroad going Northeast into the Ukraine. It was East of the lakes. I don't think it is represented in many of the maps, as it was pretty far away from the main defensive belts. I gave you some maps a while ago. Look and you shall find it.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 08, 2006 01:43 pm
hmm I am not sure about Karpova:

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In order to brake the forward line of defense west of the Hadjibey Bank, lt. general Nicolae Ciuperca conceived a frontal strike to the direction Karpova - Vygoda with the 3rd Corps (3rd, 7th and 11th Infantry Divisions),


I found it in one map from the book "Armata Romana in al doilea razboi mondial" from Muzeul national that Karpova is East-NE of Razdelnaia, but in another map (and comparing with the text found on this website) I found a village with a slightly different but very similar name:

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So where exactly is Karpova ?


Edited - my bad: in the book from the Military Muzeum, Karpova is not NE of Razdelnaia but SE:

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So it might just be the same as Bf. Karpowo - what do you think ?

Posted by: Victor January 08, 2006 01:47 pm
Karpova/Karpovo are the same thing. There was a village near the station (Novoselvoka) that does not appear in your map.

Btw, the language for this forum is English. Please edit your post accordingly.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 08, 2006 01:53 pm
rgr, thank you Victor - I edited the post before you posted this and corected a mistake I made regarding the direction.
Also corected the part I wrote in romanian - didn't even realise I wrote in romanian lol.

Posted by: Victor January 08, 2006 02:10 pm
"Bf." comes most likely from "Bahnhof", since it is mentioned on a German map. It refered to the Karpova railroad station. Trust me, I have put a lot of study into the Karpova subject lately.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 08, 2006 02:18 pm
Thank you again ! Anything interesting you found out about Karpova from your study ? smile.gif

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 08, 2006 03:48 pm
About Octiabri and Vajni again - I found Vajni (it was right there but I was blind) however Octiabri is not shown on that map and from what I have seen on the map posted by Victor it almost "coincide" with Vajni. Can someone please help me place on this map Oactiabri (in relation of Vajni):

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Posted by: Jeff_S January 09, 2006 07:38 pm
It looks almost the same same as Vajni... look at Beresen, then go slightly east to the road running North-South, just south of the rail line.

Isn't Octiabri just one of those Communist, "name everything after Lenin or the October Revolution" type of names? Could they be the same place?

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 11, 2006 09:09 am
Does anyone have Makarovka on a map ? It doesn;t show in my maps.

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On 20 August the 21st Infantry Division, deployed in the right flank of the 1st Corps, reached by the evening 2 km northwest of Freudenthal. The Guard Division broke the lines of the Soviet 25th Rifle Division, conquered Kagarlik and Mannheim, and resumed the advance towards southeast, took Vasilyevka village and arrived in the Makarovka area, southwest of Vygoda. At the 3rd Corps, the first echelon divisions were stopped in front of the defense line Makarovka - Vygoda - north of Paleyevka by heavy machine-gun, mortar and artillery fire.

Posted by: Victor January 11, 2006 02:24 pm
I have found a Mandrova and a Vakarovka in that area.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu January 11, 2006 02:55 pm
Could it be a combination of the two names ? biggrin.gif

Posted by: Alex.Od February 12, 2010 11:15 pm
Greetings to All! I from Odessa, love history. Can give the information on fight for villages Frantsfeld and Peterastal? I have slice of a fighting card of red army of Southern sector, Odessa 1941. On how many I know fights for these villages 14 infantry division conducted. Who has a Romanian card of fight for villages Frantsfeld and Peterastal? Lay out please!

The Map fight for villages I will lay out tomorrow!

Posted by: Alex.Od February 13, 2010 03:14 pm
The Map fight for villages
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7840/555tb.jpg

Posted by: Alex.Od March 28, 2010 11:14 am
At whom that is the information on fights for Frantsfeld and Fredintal?

Posted by: Alex.Od November 06, 2010 10:13 am
QUOTE (Alex.Od @ March 28, 2010 11:14 am)
At whom that is the information on fights for Frantsfeld and Fredintal?

Look at it
http://atv.odessa.ua/?t=9066

Posted by: _Vik August 21, 2012 06:30 pm
Hello all,could stay tanks FT-17 in Odessa in 1942 and fought they Odessa area,or Bessarabia in 1941.Thanks.
http://radikal.ru/F/s019.radikal.ru/i632/1208/26/c7e334260d3a.jpg.html

Posted by: Victor August 22, 2012 07:25 am
FT-17 tanks were not used on the front. These could also be machines captured in France and then operated by Germans in security detachments.

Posted by: _Vik August 22, 2012 11:06 am
Thank you,for your answer.

Posted by: _Vik March 07, 2013 11:48 am
Odessa region...
http://www.pictureshack.ru/view_859_1pl.jpg
http://www.pictureshack.ru/view_22467_2pl.jpg
http://www.pictureshack.ru/view_589_3pl.jpg
http://www.pictureshack.ru/view_15200_4pl.jpg
http://www.pictureshack.ru/view_12228_5pl.jpg
http://www.pictureshack.ru/view_96479_6pl.jpg

Posted by: ionionescu March 07, 2013 12:31 pm
I read about a Romanian pilot who witnessed this partisan executions, he didn't like it to much. But it seems they were necessary! Can you tell the source of the photos and post better scans of them, preferably at 1200 dpi, because they are a bit fuzzy. Maybe a translation of the captions?!

Posted by: Victor March 07, 2013 01:07 pm
Eugen "Matra" Marinescu served as a bomber/observer, not as a pilot throughout the war.

Posted by: _Vik March 07, 2013 01:33 pm
This men are not partisans,they are soldiers.1.Soviet prisoner of war go to place of the execution.2.Executioners prepare to kill.3.They tied eyes to PoW and tied men to posts.4.Fire.5.Doctor tests the work.6.Executioners strip their victims.

Posted by: ionionescu March 07, 2013 01:44 pm
@Victor: you're right, I stand corrected.

@_Vik: without a date and a solid source of the photos you can't say they were soldiers, if they were soldiers (photos are to poor quality to say they were soviet uniforms) and they stayed behind the lines to fight occupation troops they become partisans/terrorists and they can be shot according to war laws!

Posted by: _Vik March 07, 2013 02:20 pm
They could be the Jews...This fotos lie in the album."Atrocity fascists in Odessa region.

http://www.pictureshack.ru/view_40492_zvealbom.jpg

Posted by: ionionescu March 07, 2013 03:30 pm
@_Vik: yes, you are right, without any exact date, the author of the photos, documents that identify the identity of the persons in the photo and the „Romanian” unit shooting them we can speculate anything we want: soviet soldiers executed for war crimes, Jews executed for terrorist acts, ex soviet soldiers left behind the lines executed as terrorists, romanian soldiers executed for non-combat or desertion, romanian civilians executed for aiding the enemy etc. ...

Posted by: _Vik May 03, 2013 05:58 pm
Boys,I beg you to translate this list.Thanks.
http://radikal.ru/F/s018.radikal.ru/i516/1305/31/665b5cfa88c3.jpg.html

Posted by: Petre May 03, 2013 07:37 pm
TELEGRAM No.1217
To Mr. Prefect (Governor) of the Odessa Judetz (District) :
Buzau 128xxxxxx

"The 105 pilgrims from Braila, who visited at Dalnik their holy tombs of the fallen heroes, in fight and victory for country and nation, now, returning to their homes, they express the warmest thanks to you for the way in which they were received, accommodated and transported to where the souls of the heroes werw asking for our presence."
The pilgrims of Braila

(to put at the docs. with organizing celebrations of June 3rd, 43)

Posted by: _Vik May 03, 2013 07:55 pm
Hi Petre,thanks for your answer and help.

Posted by: _Vik July 28, 2013 07:54 am
Hello fellows.Such bottles meet in the Romanian trenches of 1941 year under Odessa.Answer please, whether Romanian it, where it was done and what was in it...and what was cork.Thank you.It is above written KGST and 07 L down.

http://radikal.ru/fp/c60e9eeaf24449b39bf142da208a4a34

http://radikal.ru/fp/fa1f6dc52a05477280957c2bbc0d1c45

http://radikal.ru/fp/0fdb2b3b094e4f44a988b8b4f0eb6df1

http://radikal.ru/fp/de1bfc6537f740159a8287d67cc838d2

Posted by: Ruslan March 18, 2014 07:57 pm
Salut de la Odessa. În timpul lucrărilor pe câmp sud-vest al satului Dalnic ( pe hărțile din al doilea război mondial-înălțimea dealului 66.8) au fost găsiți doi soldați români. La unul dintre soldați a fost găsit un medalion ( insigna eticheta, semn de identificare)cu inscripția MATR.1490 CTG.1933. Vă rugăm să stabiliți identificare persoanei decedate. Dacă ați putea să luați rămășițe (scheletul) în România noi le vom da. În apropierea Odesei găsesc mulți soldați români. A noștri cercetătorii nu numai odată vau transmis insigna, ( medalii, semne de identificare) la consulul român, ambasada în Odessa cu o rugăminte să vă transmită rămășițele în România rudelor decedați și cu aceasta sa închis dosarul de căutare a persoanelor decedate și întoarcerea lor în țara de origine. Lucrătorii consulului nu se grăbesc sau nu doresc să se ocupe de această situație. Nu uitați că ei au căzut pentru marea României. Din partea noastră ne vom aduce acordul în Ucraina. Cu stimă Ruslan.

Posted by: ocoleanui March 19, 2014 07:43 am
Try here :

once@once.ro
www.once.ro

Posted by: Ruslan March 19, 2014 08:19 am
Thank you)

Posted by: ocoleanui March 19, 2014 10:12 am
Do you have pictures , with this or anothers romanian soldiers ?/
Thanks.

Posted by: Ruslan March 19, 2014 10:22 pm
I have photos whith soldiers and ammunition.Write yous e-mail adress.

Posted by: ocoleanui March 20, 2014 07:42 am
Post it .

Posted by: Ruslan March 20, 2014 08:13 am
I did not get to add photos or files on this site.I can send e-mail to.Write your e-mail address.

Posted by: ocoleanui March 20, 2014 12:00 pm
I send you one personal message ...PM...You received?

Posted by: Ruslan March 20, 2014 12:46 pm
I sent photos to your mail.

Posted by: ocoleanui March 20, 2014 03:27 pm
Thanks .

Posted by: MMM March 23, 2014 09:01 pm
QUOTE (ocoleanui @ March 20, 2014 06:27 pm)
Thanks .

Now you post them... smile.gif

Posted by: ocoleanui March 24, 2014 09:53 am
Yes , but I need help because , the pictures have 1.4 MB ...
So , ho I do that ?>

Posted by: adicontakt March 24, 2014 03:39 pm
upload the photo to a pic hosting site ( e.g. tinypic, imagehost , etc) and share the link here

Posted by: Alexei2102 March 24, 2014 03:49 pm
QUOTE (ocoleanui @ March 24, 2014 09:53 am)
Yes , but I need help because , the pictures have 1.4 MB ...
So , ho I do that ?>

Use a foto editor like IrfanView, choose the RESIZE option, make the fotos at a smaller resolution, and upload them with ease.

Good luck!

Al

Posted by: dragos March 25, 2014 11:27 am
Use this: https://imgur.com/

You can upload there pictures up to 20Mb

Posted by: ocoleanui March 26, 2014 08:43 am
Email from Ruslan ( thanks him ) :

Found 2 soldiers near Odessa(Dalnic,Tatarka toward) on hill 66,8.
A soldier with a damaged skull- is mashinegunner,
Beside him a lot of ammunition cartridges of ZB-30.

http://postimg.org/gallery/8hjtr96c/dad53fae/


My question ...in Dalnic not was one romanian cemetery in 1941 , and in 1944 the ''russian '' destroyed ???

Posted by: adicontakt March 26, 2014 03:52 pm
Is that a pray on the piece of paper? i think i saw the word " Fiu" withe big F theat sand for Son of God?

Posted by: Ruslan March 27, 2014 06:25 pm
Our comrades have found another soldier. Medalion : NCB MATR: 1371 CTG: 1925 Balan Nic.
( probably Balan Nicolae?)
I wrote a letter with personal data soldiers medalion (MATR:1490 CTG:1933) on http://www.once.ro/engleza/index.php
one week ago.Answer I still have not received.Tell me pleas, who else is rehabilitating the individual soldier?

Posted by: Imperialist March 29, 2014 10:08 am
QUOTE (adicontakt @ March 26, 2014 03:52 pm)
Is that a pray on the piece of paper? i think i saw the word " Fiu" withe big F theat sand for Son of God?

Yes, just below it you can see the word "treimea" ("the trinity"). So it's probably a prayer book or a small New Testament.

Posted by: _Vik September 10, 2014 10:48 am
I need information about a 18 infantry(90 regiment) division in fights under Odessa.Help me,pleace.Thank you.

Posted by: Alexderome July 13, 2016 06:13 pm
Where is possible to find a map of Odessa not in cyrilic ?
ALEX

Posted by: Dénes September 23, 2016 04:44 pm
For the first time I see a map of wartime Rumania, with the Trans-Dnester (Transnistria) region fully incorporated into the country. Is this a reality, did it actually happen?

user posted image

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: dragos September 23, 2016 06:13 pm
Where did you find the map? The legend reads "the administrative map of Romania 1942-1944". The fact that WW2 trans-Dnestra was under Romanian administration does not mean it was annexed by Romania, you know very well that Romanian government never recognized the exchange of territories proposed by Hitler (trans-dnestra in exchange for N-W Transylvania)

Posted by: Petre September 24, 2016 09:10 am
The same thing in all languages, but the page in english is a bit excessive

https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria_%C3%AEn_Al_Doilea_R%C4%83zboi_Mondial

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Transnistria_Governorate

Posted by: _Vik January 24, 2017 06:19 pm
It is found about Odessa in a trench in a patron box ..What is it history about 12 generals?Probably early October 1941.Tell, if you know about this story.Thanks.http://www.73.odessa.ua/topic/1904-listovka/

Posted by: Petre January 25, 2017 04:35 pm
cool.gif Acces denied, except for registered members.

Posted by: _Vik January 25, 2017 07:03 pm
Sorry,boys.Post №149.http://forumodua.com/showthread.php?t=1191601&page=8It is found about Odessa in a trench in a patron box ..What is it history about 12 generals?Probably early October 1941.Tell, if you know about this story.Thanks.

Posted by: Victor August 01, 2017 08:11 am
It's a propaganda leaflet calling for Romanian soldiers to stop figthing the Red Army.

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