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| Posted by: scorpio February 11, 2013 07:01 pm |
| The model is from Trumpeter, interiors Aires wheels from Eduard (Brassin), Radu Branzan belts and decals. Florin |
| Posted by: ionionescu February 12, 2013 09:15 am |
| That's a real master piece! 10+ @scorpio: a small request, could you take a group picture of a few aircraft in Romanian colours from your collection, it would be interesting seeing a Ju 87, Ju 88, Me-109G-6, Fi-156 all together. Thanks! |
| Posted by: Florin February 12, 2013 08:39 pm | ||
I am attaching some of my own photos with German made model airplanes laid together. If it is not obvious, they are NOT my collection. I see that ImageShack tilted them 90 degrees to the left - I cannot control it. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/47401080.jpg/ * http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/78270122.jpg/ * http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/77058002.jpg/ * http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/88926144.jpg/ * http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/67468893.jpg/ |
| Posted by: ionionescu February 13, 2013 12:34 pm | ||
@Florin, thanks for your effort, but I'm looking for aircraft in Romanian colours!  |
| Posted by: scorpio February 14, 2013 05:53 pm | ||
Here we go. (sorry about the quality pics, not enough light) General view.  particular view        |
| Posted by: Fratello February 14, 2013 06:33 pm |
| Very nice ARR models. Congratulations! |
| Posted by: Ursulescu February 14, 2013 06:48 pm |
| Very excellent work! Now you just need an IAR 80 to complete the airforce! |
| Posted by: scorpio February 14, 2013 06:54 pm | ||
Exactly. I hope reading this topic Radu. I need, no, I want an IAR-80. Radu, have mercy on us. Florin |
| Posted by: Florin February 14, 2013 07:55 pm |
| Your planes look so good that they could stand in a museum. By the way, I took my photos in a museum...  |
| Posted by: ionionescu February 15, 2013 09:14 am | ||
@scorpio: WOW! Thank you very much for the photos, this is exactly what I was looking for, now I can see for the first time WW2 ARR aircraft put together and compare their size. Very interesting! Regards! |
| Posted by: scorpio February 15, 2013 07:21 pm | ||||
Anytime |
| Posted by: Ursulescu February 15, 2013 07:53 pm |
| I just got a Revell Germany catalogue and I see they make a 1/32nd scale Arado AR 196 A-3 Seaplane, which was also used by the Romanian Air Force. Another plane is the Hawker Hurricane MK 1 - Romania ordered 50 of these planes but only recieved 15 when the war started in 1939. |
| Posted by: scorpio February 15, 2013 08:13 pm | ||
I'm not so shure about Ar-196, show me a picture of one in Romanian colors and I do it too, but Hurricane, what can I say, will be in my collection(off course in ARR color). Florin |
| Posted by: Ursulescu February 19, 2013 07:31 pm |
| Bulgaria, Finland, Germany, and Romania all used the Ar 196. Here's a link : http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Axis/4-Others/03-Romania/Ar-196A-3/Ar-196A-3.htm |
| Posted by: scorpio February 19, 2013 08:06 pm | ||
Nice try! But show me a foto. |
| Posted by: Radub February 20, 2013 09:07 am | ||
Romania did not use the Ar 196. Radu |
| Posted by: adicontakt February 20, 2013 03:40 pm |
| Only 2 Ar.196A were used for test trials in middle of 1943 by FARR.. |
| Posted by: Radub February 20, 2013 06:37 pm | ||
Do you have any details? Radu |
| Posted by: Dénes February 20, 2013 06:39 pm | ||
What is FARR? Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: scorpio February 20, 2013 07:04 pm | ||||
Maybe, Fortele Aeriene Regale Romane? Florin |
| Posted by: Dénes February 21, 2013 06:18 am |
| There was nothing like that. FARR was actually the acronym for Federatia Aeronautica Regala Romana. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: adicontakt February 21, 2013 03:29 pm |
| here http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Axis/4-Others/03-Romania/Ar-196A-3/Ar-196A-3.htm is the description "Only 2 Ar.196A were used for test trials in middle of 1943 by FARR.. " i only copy and paste |
| Posted by: Dénes February 21, 2013 04:51 pm | ||
That's the problem. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Radub February 21, 2013 05:45 pm | ||
Thre isn't one single thing there that is accurate. Ignore it. Radu |
| Posted by: Ursulescu February 23, 2013 12:26 am | ||
| Heller actually issued the King Michael Cross with their kit of it. Ok...a quick note from the book "Rumanian Air Force - The Prime Decade, 1938-1947" by squadron/signal publications on the Romanian Arado AR 196 A-3 Seaplane P.71 :
This makes me think of the Polikarpov that Romania captured, repainted, used as a trainer and then crashed. |
| Posted by: Dénes February 23, 2013 08:31 am |
| There is no evidence the two aircraft I referred to were actually painted in ARR markings. The photo I have shows them in German markings in Aug. 1944. Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Radub February 23, 2013 09:25 am |
| Not only Heller, but also Encore issued that kit with Romanian markings. That does not mean they are right. They made other mistakes also. There is no record or evidence that any Ar 196 ever wore Romanian markings. To confuse matters, many "eyewitness reports" of crated planes and hasty repainting appear to confuse the Ar 196 with the He 114. . Radu |
| Posted by: Ursulescu February 28, 2013 12:18 am |
| Well Radu, I don't really know. I guess that unless you were there, it's hard to confirm anything. I was reading in my new IAR 80 book that the Soviets tried to eliminate all records of "Facism" from their history, and to have their newly "Aquired" Romanians admit that they fought on the side of Hitler wasn't a good thing. According to the Soviets, Romanian didn't join WW2 until 1944 when they sided with the Allies (Mainly Russia) to fight fascism. Also, the Soviets were destroying all things facism and many German planes and what-not that were captured went "Under the Axe", as it were. Even the IAR 80's were scrapped in 1950. The challenge here is that there are so few pictures of the Arado 196 taken by the Romanians, and the only actual pictures I could find on the web were the typical 3/4 shots with the side markings very hard to decipher if they were iron crosses or King Michael ones. Other pics had people in front of the markings...so go figure. But besides all of that...if anyone has some of those 1/72nd scale King Michael Crosses that they don't want to use, I could take them off your hands for my own planes. It would sure beat me painting them. |
| Posted by: Radub February 28, 2013 08:55 am |
Well, Ursulescu... I know the guy who wrote that book.  Yes, the communsists erased all those mentions of the "unmentionable" from the public mind but they did not destroy the archives. They just denied acces to the information and controlled what was allowed. The book you mentioned is ample proof that the archives still exist and people have access to them now. However much you refuse to believe it, fact remains that there is no evidence (not yet, despite all efforts) that there were any Ar 196 with Romanian markings. The argument of "you weren't there" is just silly (to use a mild word). Why? You say that on a forum about Romania in WW2. None of use here were "there". Look around! There is plenty of knowledge here. What you are doing is like saying to a Latin speaker (teacher, scholar, student, whatever) "How can you claim you know Latin? You were not there!" Radu |
| Posted by: Ursulescu March 01, 2013 01:14 am |
| Well, here's the fun part Radu, You are saying one thing and the books and model kit manufacturers and Wiki says another. Fine. Who is correct and who should I believe? The majority, or the minority? The question is : was there 2 planes or weren't there? 2 out of thousands of planes that Romania had (Or didn't have) in their air force, painted and decorated, at the end of WW2. How can a person properly know, with such a little number, if they had them or not on an official scale? You may say I'm childish by saying "You weren't there". Maybe it was, but then again, you are saying that everyone that believes the plane had Romanian Markings is totally wrong, even though, for the past 40+ years that the Heller kit was out there, and the countless books published between those times, and whatever, that the plane didn't exist. How does this happen? Were all those people just dreaming, or did the idea of a KMC decorated Arado 196 just hit such a fascination that it became part of some kind of "Mythos" of the Romanian/world war two culture throughout the world? So basically, you're saying "Pics, or it didn't happen". What's the difference if I say "You don't know, you weren't there"? It's practically the same arguement. The point is, information is missing. Also, you're saying that "You knew who wrote that book". Well, if you did, then why didn't you stop him from writing that "Erroronious" information. The guy published pictures and drawings of the plane painted in Romanian Colours with the KMC on it. It was published in the 100's of thousands and distributed all over the world. The point is that people have been documenting that plane in Romanian Markings for years. Are they all wrong? So what if I personally agree that they had one or if I want to build a model with a KMC on it? Does it make me a bad person? Will you deny me posting the pics? |
| Posted by: Radub March 01, 2013 08:21 am |
| You tell me that I should have stopped the guy who wrote the "new book on the I.A.R.80" when he put in it "erronius" data about "Ar 196 with KMC". Can you tell me where he mentioned the Ar 196 in that book? I will have a word with him later today. Wikipedia does not mention Romania as an operator. There is no reception report, no order, no document to prove that Romania ever operated the Ar. 196 |
| Posted by: Cantacuzino March 01, 2013 09:16 am | ||
Hi Ursulescu, What is the name of the "new book on the IAR 80 " ? It is a french book ? |
| Posted by: Dénes March 01, 2013 12:19 pm | ||
The latter.  Gen. Dénes |
| Posted by: Radub March 01, 2013 08:39 pm | ||||
Ursulescu said: "I was reading in my new IAR 80 book that the Soviets tried to eliminate all records of "Facism" from their history, and to have their newly "Aquired" Romanians admit that they fought on the side of Hitler wasn't a good thing." That is mentioned in the foreword of the English language book published by SAM Publications. Radu |