150 Romanian soldier was receive st. George crosses for 1877-78 y. war
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| Posted by: igor_ost December 08, 2004 10:17 am |
| Hello ! I have in my collection some Russian st. George crosses of Romanian soldiers . 1) Demetre Jean . Receive this cross in 1877 for battle near Eski-Zagroja ( Stara Zagora ) 2) unter-officer of 18 Rifle Reg. Kerciu George receive cross for battle 23/12/1916 near Geurgele 3) officer Mishka Saviu from 32 Rifle Reg. & 4) feuerverker D. Georgesku from 105-mm heavy artillery divizion of 19 art. Reg. for battle near Doage and Prisake 24.07.1917-2.08.1917 . * Halp me ! Somebody have some information about this soldiers or this regiments ?! Somebody have Romanian awards group with Russian George awards - Order og st. George , st. George cross or st. George Medal "For Beavery" ? Somebody have photos of Romanian soldiers with Russian Awards ? Send me please the scans ! * Thank you very much ! Igor geshem@bk.ru |
| Posted by: Iamandi December 08, 2004 10:58 am |
| I have some data - most of them with romanian cavalry units, but maybe i find some cavalrysts decorated... Another topic is with weapons used in what we named Independence War. You may suply us with data for russian units armament used in this war? Iama |
| Posted by: dragos December 08, 2004 11:57 pm |
| The 19th Artillery Regiment was involved in the battle of Marasesti (6 August - 24 July 1917). It was positioned north of Prisaca forest and Doaga village. The 24th Russian Division was deployed north of the Romanian positions, with the Russian artillery deployed near the village of Padureni. |
| Posted by: Victor December 11, 2004 12:55 pm |
| In the list of Romanian soldiers that received the St. George Order for actions in the 1877-78 War, I have found a serg. Ion Dumitrescu from the 1st Rosiori Regiment. He received the 4th class in silver. He very likely is your Jean Demetre. However, I find it strange that he is cited for actions near Stara Zagora, as Romanian troops did not venture south of Plevna too much, because of the poor logistics that required them to stay close to the Danube. That is why, after Plevna fell, the Romanian army headed west towards Vidin and Belogradchik, covering the right wing of the Russian advance to Adrianople. In total 95 Romanians received the St. George Order. Only one received it twice. |
| Posted by: igor_ost December 12, 2004 09:34 am |
| Information from Russian Archive - 150 Romanian soldier was receive st. George crosses for 1877-78 y. war http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sg4st8uo.jpg |
| Posted by: Victor December 12, 2004 09:45 am |
Well, in that case, I only have 95 of the 150.  Do you have numbers for WW1 also? |
| Posted by: igor_ost December 12, 2004 09:50 am |
| In WWI - 800 - 1000 soldiers receive st. George cross & 200 - st. George "For Bravery" medals ! Can you send me your list of Romanian soldiers that received the St. George Order for actions in the 1877-78 War ? Thank you ! |
| Posted by: Victor December 12, 2004 12:23 pm |
| I don't have it in electronic format. It's from a book. I will write it down in the next couple of days and post it here. Could you give some details on the order itslef: when was founded, the classes, conditions for awarding it etc. |
| Posted by: Victor December 12, 2004 06:46 pm |
| Prince Carol I of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, commander of the Romanian army and of the allied Western Army at Pleven, Order of St. George 3rd class in gold Officers: brig. gen. Alexandru Cernat, commander of the Operations Army, Order of St. George 4th class in gold mr. Alexandru Candiano-Popescu, commanded the 2nd Vanatori Battalion during the assault on the Grivice tabia on 30 August 1877, Order of St. George 4th class in gold slt. r Matila Costiescu from the 3rd Artillery Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. r Eugen Costinescu, unknown unit, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. r Casimir Cugler from the 8th Line Infantry Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. Alexandru Lens from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. Ozar Lens from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. Leon Leonida from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. Ioan Marica attached to the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. Ioan Nicolae from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. Ioan Popovici from the 6th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. Saul Scarlat from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. Vasile Sturza from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. Ioan Toncovici from the 7th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. Dimitrie Trenc from the 7th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver slt. Theodor Zotoviceanu from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver NCOs: serg. maj. Apostol Ionita from the 5th Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. maj. Horia Rosetti from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Constantin Brailoiu, from the 9th Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Ioan Bunea, from the 7th Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Nicolae Chiriac from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Nicolae Crihan from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Marin Croitoru from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Ioan Dumitrescu from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. George Fotino from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Nicolae Frangopulo from the 6th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Vasile George from the 6th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. George Georgescu from the 6th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Constantin Grant from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Constantin Gradisteanu from the 6th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Ioan Grigore from the 2nd Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Alexandru Guta from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Vasile Herisescu from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Alexandru Iromescu from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. I. Lahovary from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. George Lambru from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Iordache Luceafaru from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Paul Lucasievici from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Constantin Manu from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver and 2nd class in gold serg. Dumitru Manu from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Haralambie Milos from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Ioan Mitroi from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Nicolae Nicolescu from the 6th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. ? Nora from the 6th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Ioan Radulescu from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Alexandru Rioseanu from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Grigorie Sandu from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 5th class in silver serg. Nicolae Stan Constantin Scarlat from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Constantin Sturza from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Mihail Vlahuti from the 2nd Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Simion Volani from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver serg. Petre Zeamaneagra from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Petre Bordescu, unknown unit, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Dumitru Candidatu, unknown unit, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Constantin Cimpoieru from the 5th Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Ilie Cioran from the 5th Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier George Danighi, unknown unit, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Ioan Efrem from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Ioan Marica from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Ioan Paun from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Vasile Pechianu, unknown unit, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Sterie Petrescu from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Constantin Rosca from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Constantin Scarlat from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Vasile Scriitoru from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Theodor Teodorescu from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Hariton Topala from the 5th Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver brigadier Dobre Vasiescu from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Soldiers: Ioan Bescu, unknown unit, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Frant Bredar from the ? Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Nicolae Burcea from the Flotilla Corps, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Radu Calicu, unknown unit, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Tanase Cioroiu from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver George Constantin from the 5th Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver George Craciun, unknown unit, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Ioan Crangaru, unknown unit, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Gheorghe Cuchi, unknown unit, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Constantin Dumbraveanu from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Vasile Florea from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Daniil Grinea from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver George Madular from the ? Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Ioan Nicolae from the 3rd Calarasi Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Dragu Nuta from the 6th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Ioan Oprea from the 6th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Dobre Paraschiva from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Marin Petrica from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver George Preda from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Nicolae Strita from the 1st Vanatori Battalion, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Ioan Toma from the 7th Dorobanti Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Andrei Udrea from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Eduard Uritescu from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Leonida Urseanu from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Anton Vasile from the 1st Rosiori Regiment, Order of St. George 4th class in silver Source: Armata Romana in Razboiul de Independenta 1877-78 by Cornel Scafes, Horia Serbanescu, Corneliu Andonie and Ioan Scafes, Bucharest Sigma, 2001 Ranks: Mr.= Major Slt.=2nd lieutenant Slt. r= 2nd lieutenant in reserve Serg. maj.= sergeant major Serg. = sergeant Brigadier = Corporal (in the cavalry and chasseurs) |
| Posted by: Carol I December 12, 2004 09:47 pm | ||
The Russian Order of St. George was founded by Empress Catherine on 26 November 1769. If I remember correctly, it was awarded in four classes exclusively to officers for extreme bravery in the face of the enemy. Hence, it was the Russian equivalent of the Romanian Order of Michael the Brave. For similar deeds, the NCOs and soldiers received the Cross of St. George (which was therefore much like the Romanian war badge of the Military Virtue). It has to be mentioned that the Order of St. George was an order of merit (along with the Order of St. Vladimir) and as such nobody could qualify for it by birth only. Thus, if I remember correctly, the members of the Imperial Russian family received all the other Russian orders of knighthood, but not the Order of St. George or the Order of St. Vladimir (they had to qualify fairly for them). |
| Posted by: Carol I December 13, 2004 12:39 am |
| To complete my previous post, Emperor Alexander I who revived the order in 1801 received only the fourth class of the Order of St. George on 13 December 1805 for his contribution to the Battle of Austerlitz. And Emperor Alexander III received only the second class of the order on 30 September 1877 for his service in the war against Turkey. |
| Posted by: Carol I December 13, 2004 12:47 am | ||
I really doubt that they were referring to the Order of St. George. There were only eight second classes awarded during the 1877-1878 war, one of them being the heir to the Russian throne (see above). It is thus quite unlikely that one of the other seven recipients was a sergeant of the Romanian Army (usually the recipients were Generals or Admirals - 121 or 124 of them). Anyhow, the list is interesting, as it provides the names of the recipients. Thanks. |
| Posted by: Victor December 13, 2004 07:07 am |
| I was also very surprised by it, but that is what it has been printed. Maybe 3rd class? It can happen to loose an "I" during printing. |
| Posted by: Carol I December 13, 2004 08:01 am | ||
I was not questioning the class, but rather the reference to the Order of St. George. I guess the authors of the list did not make any difference between the Order of St. George (reserved for the officers) and the Cross of St. George (awarded to lower ranks). The confusion is understandable to a certain extent, as the awards were connected and had the same ribbon. Furthermore, during the 1877-1878 war both awards had four classes. Take a look at http://nubirus.chat.ru/HomepageEnglish.htm for more information on the Cross of St. George. Unfortunately the author sometimes makes reference to it as to "an order", but that was not the Order of St. George. The Order of St. George had a white enamelled badge in gold, while the Cross of St. George had only a metal cross (golden for first and second classes and silver for third and fourth classes). |
| Posted by: Carol I December 13, 2004 08:16 am |
| There is one more thing in the list Victor posted that puzzles me. It seems that the Order of St. George was certainly awarded to King Carol I (third class), Gen. Cernat (fourth class) and Maj. Candiano-Popescu (fourth class). The confusion is about the awards for the other officers, all of them second lieutenants. The reference to the "fourth class in silver" suggests that in fact they received the Cross of St. George. The question then is why did they receive the cross and not the order? Did the Russian authorities not consider them officers? Were they NCOs which were raised to officer rank following their military deeds (I would be surprised if that was the case for all of them)? |
| Posted by: igor_ost December 13, 2004 03:52 pm |
| I know this names of Romanian soldiers Receive st. George cross 4st class Moise Jean Luca Gregoire Kihaia Georges Macare Konstantin Frosson Constantin Balacia Demetre Demetre Jean - ( cross in my collection ) Costea Neagon Genoiou Constantin Vischean Demetre & receive st. George cross 4st. class and "Star of Romania" serg. Grigoriu Ion Luciu Nicu Vasile Stan George |
| Posted by: Carol I December 13, 2004 06:29 pm |
| New names to be added to Victor's list. Thanks, Igor. By the way, can you look into the registry and solve the "mystery" of the awards to the officers? Did they receive the Order of St. George or the Cross of St. George? |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR December 14, 2004 04:29 am |
| Romanians were also awarded Imperial Russian orders of Saint Vladimir, Saint Anne and Saint Stanislav. Under what conditions were these orders givin to Romanians ? Where the Romanians held to the same criteria award rules given to Czarist officers or were they given these awards under different conditions ? |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR December 14, 2004 04:38 am |
| Regarding the 4th class Saint George crosses in silver awarded to Romanians: I have several Romanian medal bars in my collection with the Saint George 4th class silver crosses on them. All are numbered. Is there a way to research the serial number on the cross to be able to identify 1- if the bar is original and 2- who the bar was awarded to ? |
| Posted by: igor_ost December 14, 2004 07:28 am |
| Thr Order Of st. George - only for Officers !!! This bulgarian colonel-leutenent in 1885 y. - in 1912-1913 Military Minister of Bulgaria . In 1877-78 War N. Nikifirov was NCO and receive Russian st. George cross . |
| Posted by: Carol I December 14, 2004 07:54 am | ||
Thank you for confirming that. But were there any instances when officers had received only the Cross of St. George instead of the Order of St. George? What I mean is that they already had the officer rank when they showed bravery on the battlefield and yet they were awarded only the Cross of St. George. I am asking that because in the list posted by Victor there is quite a long list of 14 second lieutenants who have received only the fourth class of the Cross of St. George and it is quite improbable that they were all NCOs during the war (though not impossible). But if that was the case, I am surprised by the very small number of officers receiving the order (only three) in comparison to the number of soldiers and NCOs receiving the cross. Did the same proportion appear in the Russian army as well? |
| Posted by: igor_ost December 14, 2004 07:55 am |
| Colonel Nicola Genev in 1895 . In 1910 - general-leutenant . In 1877 - NCO . Receive st. George cross . |
| Posted by: igor_ost December 14, 2004 08:09 am |
| For 1877-78 War Russian officers was receive Order of st. George 3d class - 37 Generals and Officers . Order of st. George 4th class - 319 ! ( ONLY ! ) and Order of st George 3d class receive - Prince of Montenegro Nicola ( on the photo ) - Prince of Romania Carol - Prince of Serbia Milan IV Order of st George 4th class - 24 montenegrin officers - 4 serbian - 2 romanian - 1 prussian - 1 france - 1 hollandian - 1 austrian & Prince of Bulgaria Alexander I . |
| Posted by: Dénes December 14, 2004 03:31 pm | ||
I am wondering why would the Rumanian source alter the person's actual name appearing in documents to fit current spelling standards? I see from the document presented by Igor that the spelling was Demetre, not Dumitru, etc. Col. Dénes |
| Posted by: Carol I December 14, 2004 03:44 pm | ||||
Maybe the names in the Russian document are written with the French spelling (quite common at that time). Hence that source altered the actual name of the person, while the Romanian source gives the correct name. |
| Posted by: Carol I December 14, 2004 11:35 pm | ||
I have other figures for the number of awards for the 1877-1878 war: First class of the Order of St. George - 2 awards Second class of the Order of St. George - 8 awards Third class of the Order of St. George - 37 awards Fourth class of the Order of St. George - 267 awards |
| Posted by: Carol I December 14, 2004 11:38 pm | ||
Do you happen to know the date of the award? Did Prince Carol receive the Order of St. Andrew (or other Russian orders) with the same occasion? Thanks. |
| Posted by: Victor December 15, 2004 04:44 pm |
| 5 September 1877 |
| Posted by: igor_ost December 18, 2004 04:25 pm |
| Several years ago these medals were on sale. Then I have not bought them!  Now I search some medals bar  |
| Posted by: igor_ost December 18, 2004 04:27 pm |
  [EMAIL]geshem@bk.ru [/EMAIL] |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR December 19, 2004 11:54 pm |
 Romanian medal bars with Imperial Russian Medals. Bar #1 - 1st or 2nd class Saint George in Brass soldiers cross. Bar #2 - 4th class Order of Saint Anne with swords. Bar #3 - 4th Class Order of Saint Anne with swords followed by the 4th class Order of Saint Stanislav with swords. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR December 20, 2004 12:00 am |
 Romanian medal bars with Imperial Russian medals. Bar #1 - 4th Class Saint George soldiers cross. Bar #2 - 4th Class Order of Saint Stanislav with swords. Bar #3 - 4th Class Order of Saint Anne with swords. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR December 20, 2004 12:07 am |
 Romanian medal bars with Imperial Russian medals. Bar #1 - 4th class Saint George soldiers cross. Bar #2 - Russo-Turkish War Campaign medal in brass. Bar #3 - 4th class Order of Saint Stanislav. Bar #4 - 4th class Saint George soldiers cross. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR December 20, 2004 12:30 am |
 Colonel, General Staff officer in the Artillery. He wears the Imperial Russian orders of Saint Anne 2nd Class with swords and the 2nd class Order of Saint Stanislav with swords. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR December 20, 2004 01:05 am |
 Colonel, Artillery. Wears the Order of Saint Anne 2nd class with swords. |
| Posted by: igor_ost December 20, 2004 07:12 am |
| Superb ! Perfectly !  |
| Posted by: Iamandi January 09, 2005 11:21 am | ||
I found something: "Elevul Matilda Costescu din Scoala militara, incadrat la Regimentul 3 artilerie este distins de tarul Rusiei, Alexandru al II-lea cu ordinul "Sf. Gheorghe" pentru ca a dat dovada de un curaj si devotament "cu ocazia bombardarii si luarii Nicopolului" 22 September event - 1877 "Istoria artileriei romane in date" Leut. General Victor Stanculescu, Col. Constantin Ucrain Iama PS - Maybe somebody translate with accuracy this fragment, i doubt Igor Ost knows romanian language. |
| Posted by: igor_ost January 09, 2005 04:47 pm |
I'm born in city Reni , on Danube  Eu enceles |
| Posted by: Iamandi January 09, 2005 05:23 pm | ||
Zdravei - Igor Ost! Iama PS - i remember from my preffered movie - "Period Rebiata" - more than i remember from school... about russian language |
| Posted by: Carol I January 31, 2005 11:47 pm | ||
Thanks Victor. |
| Posted by: Carol I January 31, 2005 11:57 pm |
| Awards of General Mihail Alexandru, including the Order of St. Vladimir (from La Galerie Numismatique) |
| Posted by: Carol I January 31, 2005 11:59 pm |
| Awards of General Ciuperca Nicolae, including the Order of St. Anne and the Order of St. Stanislas (from La Galerie Numismatique) |
| Posted by: igor_ost February 02, 2005 04:26 pm |
| Very nice groups ! Thanx ! ______________ This medals group from my collection. Russian st. George cross 4th class for Franco-Prussian war . Atributed ! |
| Posted by: Carol I February 05, 2005 12:57 am |
| I remember seeing a (rather poor) photo of Marshal Alexandru Averescu wearing a white cross like that of the Order of St. George fourth class of the Order of St. George. Did he receive it during WWI? Did any other Romanian officer receive this rare Russian military order during WWI? |
| Posted by: igor_ost February 06, 2005 03:41 pm |
| Averesku Alexandru - leurenant-general, kommander of 2nd Romanian Army, receive Order of St. George 4th class 09.06.1917. Regele Ferdinand I was awarded the 3rd class of Order of st. George 15.03.1918 . |
| Posted by: Carol I February 06, 2005 09:04 pm | ||
Thank you very much for the information. So there were only two orders of St. George awarded to the Romanian officers (in contrast to the 1877-8 war when there were three awards). |
| Posted by: Carol I February 06, 2005 09:10 pm | ||
Only now I have realised the date? Is 15 March 1918 the correct date for the award to King Ferdinand I? Who made the award? The Kerensky government had been overthrown on 25.10/07.11.1917, i.e., more than 4 months before the stated award date. |
| Posted by: Iamandi February 07, 2005 10:16 am |
| I read about one mixt crew french-romanian, on Farman 40, who downed an enemy plane near Braila in a hard fight. The crew was avarded with St. George. Maybe tomorrow i came with more details. Iama |
| Posted by: igor_ost February 10, 2005 08:29 am |
| Let me know the name of officer and I'll see in my archive . I have all names of Order of st.George cavalers from 1769 to 1920 . |
| Posted by: igor_ost February 10, 2005 01:31 pm |
| On this moment I see receive Order of st. George 4th class - Grigorescu Eremia, leutenant-general - januar 1917 - Ioann Kristofor, colonel 51-52 Inf. Reg. - 25.03.1918 - Prezan Konstantin, leutenant-general -jan. 1917 - Pretul Simeon, 1st leutenant of 13 Inf. Reg. - 25.03.1918 ************************************************** Let me know the name of officer and I'll see in my archive |
| Posted by: Carol I February 10, 2005 10:01 pm | ||
You have some very interesting information. Can you extract from your archive all the Romanian recipients of the Order of St. George? This far you have listed nine recipients, three for the 1877-1878 war and six for the 1916-1918 war. |
| Posted by: Carol I February 10, 2005 10:05 pm |
| Romanian recipients of the Russian Order of St. George 1877-1878 War 1. Prince Carol I (5 September 1877) - third class 2. Brig. Gen. Alexandru Cernat (award date ?) - fourth class 3. Maj. Alexandru Candiano-Popescu (award date ?) - fourth class 1916-1918 War 1. King Ferdinand I (15 March 1918) - third class 2. Lt. Gen. Alexandru Averescu (9 June 1917) - fourth class 3. Lt. Gen. Eremia Grigorescu (January 1917) - fourth class 4. Lt. Gen. Constantin Prezan (January 1917) - fourth class 5. Col. Ioan Cristofor (25 March 1918) - fourth class 6. Lt. Simeon Pretul (25 March 1918) - fourth class |
| Posted by: igor_ost February 10, 2005 10:05 pm |
| I can to see jast if I know the name of officer ... |
| Posted by: igor_ost February 10, 2005 10:08 pm |
| ... ... |
| Posted by: Carol I February 10, 2005 10:11 pm |
| I am still puzzled by the awards dated 1918. Are you sure about these dates? Who made these awards? The Kerensky government had been overthrown on 25.10/07.11.1917 and as far as I know the Bolshevik government suppressed the system of orders of the Czarist regime (that had in fact been maintained that far by the provisional government who took the power after the overthrow of the Czar). |
| Posted by: igor_ost February 10, 2005 10:36 pm |
| Russian Imperial (White) Army was to 1920 y. |
| Posted by: Carol I February 10, 2005 11:07 pm |
| Yes, I know that. And probably you refer to the fact that third and fourth class awards were authorised by a Council of St. George. But weren't the actual awards made by the head of the Russian state (up to 1917 the Czar and later presumably by the head of the provisional government)? Do you mean that between 1917 and 1920 (and maybe earlier - I do not have enough knowledge on the Russian orders, but I would gladly like to learn) there was not a single award authority, but rather lower level (army, corps, divisional etc.) councils that could make the awards for this prestigious order? |
| Posted by: igor_ost February 21, 2005 02:38 pm | ||
Can you send me the reverse side of your medals bars. My "agent" in Sankt-Petersburg in state archive can halp, but need the numbers of awards ! Igor davidka@012.net.il |
| Posted by: igor_ost February 22, 2005 05:27 pm |
| Romanian capitan was awarded Russian order of st. Stanislav 3rd class with swards . |
| Posted by: igor_ost March 02, 2005 09:59 am | ||
1877-1878 War I not see in my rolls . Maj. Alexandru Candiano-Popescu About Brig. Gen. Alexandru Cernat – in my rolls mayor-general Date of award – 06/09/1877 1916-1918 War Colonel Alexandru Alexiu from 6 Inf. Brigade (25/03/1918) – fourth class Lt.Colonel Virjil Dumbrava from 34 Inf.Reg. (25/03/1918) – fourth class |
| Posted by: Carol I March 02, 2005 12:01 pm | ||
The list is growing. Thanks. Romanian recipients of the Russian Order of St. George 1877-1878 War 1. Prince Carol I (5 September 1877) - third class 2. Brig. Gen. Alexandru Cernat (6 September 1877) - fourth class 3. Maj. Alexandru Candiano-Popescu (award date ?) - fourth class 1916-1918 War 1. King Ferdinand I (15 March 1918) - third class 2. Lt. Gen. Alexandru Averescu (9 June 1917) - fourth class 3. Lt. Gen. Eremia Grigorescu (January 1917) - fourth class 4. Lt. Gen. Constantin Prezan (January 1917) - fourth class 5. Col. Alexandru Alexiu (25 March 1918) - fourth class 6. Col. Ioan Cristofor (25 March 1918) - fourth class 7. Lt. Col. Virgil Dumbravă (25 March 1918) - fourth class 8. Lt. Simeon Pretul (25 March 1918) - fourth class |
| Posted by: Carol I March 02, 2005 12:14 pm | ||||||||||
Major Alexandru Candiano-Popescu came from a previous post by Victor which gave three names of Romanian awardees:
A previous post of yours also gave three awardees for this Russian order.
You have confirmed this far Prince (later King) Carol I and General Alexandru Cernat. So it must be one more Romanian officer on the lists for the 1877-1878 War. Try a different spelling for the major: "Kandiano-Popescu", "Alexandru Popescu", "Popesco" etc.
Alexandru Cernat was "one-star-general". Isn't it the same as the "Major General" in the Russian Army? |
| Posted by: igor_ost March 03, 2005 07:01 am |
| Last name - 1nd leut. Ceobanu Iosef from 27 Inf. Regiment - order of st.George 4th class (25/03/1918). Sorry, it's all |
| Posted by: Carol I March 03, 2005 07:44 am | ||
Thanks a lot. Is Ceobanu a 1st lieutenant or a 2nd lieutenant? Any luck with the third Romanian award for the 1877-1878 War? |
| Posted by: igor_ost March 03, 2005 09:08 am |
| Sorry ! Of corse 1st leutenant ! **************************** This medals bar of germany officer for 1813-1816 Napoleonic War . The name of this officer - Friedrich Wilhelm III (not in my collection ) |
| Posted by: igor_ost March 03, 2005 09:11 am |
| Up |
| Posted by: Carol I March 10, 2005 07:00 pm | ||
Thanks Igor for your efforts. Here is the complete list. Romanian recipients of the Russian Order of St. George 1877-1878 War 1. Prince Carol I (5 September 1877) - third class 2. Brig. Gen. Alexandru Cernat (6 September 1877) - fourth class 3. Maj. Alexandru Candiano-Popescu (award date ?) - fourth class 1916-1918 War 1. King Ferdinand I (15 March 1918) - third class 2. Lt. Gen. Alexandru Averescu (9 June 1917) - fourth class 3. Lt. Gen. Eremia Grigorescu (January 1917) - fourth class 4. Lt. Gen. Constantin Prezan (January 1917) - fourth class 5. Col. Alexandru Alexiu (25 March 1918) - fourth class 6. Col. Ioan Cristofor (25 March 1918) - fourth class 7. Lt. Col. Virgil Dumbravă (25 March 1918) - fourth class 8. Lt. Iosef Ceobanu (25 March 1918) - fourth class 9. Lt. Simeon Pretul (25 March 1918) - fourth class |
| Posted by: igor_ost March 10, 2005 10:03 pm |
| Somebody have this medals bar ! |
| Posted by: igor_ost March 18, 2005 03:24 am |
| And one ... |
| Posted by: igor_ost March 25, 2005 07:26 am |
| Awards of Lt. General Eremia Grigorescu |
| Posted by: igor_ost April 13, 2005 04:02 pm | ||||
http://www.presamil.ro/VM/2004/01/62-64.htm Some information about Candiano-Popescu . |
| Posted by: igor_ost April 14, 2005 09:00 am |
| Somebody can halp me with this document ? Translate please !  My Romanian is VERY SIMPLE |
| Posted by: igor_ost April 17, 2005 06:50 pm |
| Carol I (sorry, I can't to attach the pic. ) |
| Posted by: Victor April 17, 2005 06:56 pm | ||
Translation of the first paragraph:
After this short biography comes a memo forwarded by Candiano Popescu to the Minister of War in 1895 regarding a controversial issue of the soldier who captured the Ottoman flag at Grivice Tabla: Grigore Ion (from his vanatori battalion) or Grigore al Lucai (from the 16th Dorobanti Regiment) |
| Posted by: igor_ost April 17, 2005 08:13 pm |
| In russian history - 3 soldiers captured the Ottoman flag at Grivice Tabia 1.serg. Grigoriu Ion Luciu 2.Nicu Vasile 3.Stan George All was receive st. George crosses and Romanian Order "Star of Romania" |
| Posted by: Victor April 18, 2005 03:47 am |
| Yes, private Grigorie Ion was assisted by coporal Nica Vasile and sergeant Stan Gheorghe, but he was the one who took it. Candiano Popescu describes an episode with a captain Negoescu from the 16th Dorobanti Regiment who attempted to take the flag from Grigorie Ion and only the major's intervention stopped it. |
| Posted by: Carol I June 04, 2005 08:14 pm |
King Carol I wearing the 3rd class badge of the Russian Order of St. George Source: eBay |
| Posted by: Carol I June 05, 2005 10:04 pm |
General Alexandru Cernat presented with the 4th class of the Russian Order of St. George on 6 September 1877 Originally http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1803 by REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR |
| Posted by: igor_ost July 15, 2005 07:01 am |
 Sorry |
| Posted by: igor_ost July 15, 2005 07:03 am | ||||
I can to add two names of cavalers of Order St. George 4th class Mayor-General MARGINEANU Alexandru – commander of 3rd Rifle Divizia Mayor-General CIHOSKII Henric – commander of 10 Rifle Div. |
| Posted by: Carol I July 16, 2005 08:51 am | ||
Thanks Igor for the latest additions to the list of Romanian knights of the Russian Order of St. George. Do you also have the award dates for Maj. Gen. Mărgineanu and Maj. Gen. Cihoskii? By the way, did you manage to find the award date for Maj. Alexandru Candiano-Popescu who received the order in the 1877-1878 War? |
| Posted by: igor_ost July 30, 2005 09:07 pm | ||
I don't have the dates ! May be tomorrow Somebody can help me ? I need all information about this officers Lt. Gen. Alexandru Averescu Lt. Gen. Eremia Grigorescu Lt. Gen. Constantin Prezan Col. Alexandru Alexiu Col. Ioan Cristofor Lt. Col. Virgil Dumbravă Lt. Iosef Ceobanu Lt. Simeon Pretul Mayor-General MARGINEANU Alexandru – commander of 3rd Rifle Divizia Mayor-General CIHOSKII Henric – commander of 10 Rifle Div. Thank you ! |
| Posted by: Carol I August 14, 2005 07:01 am | ||
http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/averescu.htm http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/prezan.htm |
| Posted by: igor_ost August 17, 2005 03:16 pm |
Thank you ! |
| Posted by: Carol I October 06, 2005 08:19 pm |
| General Alexandru Cernat presented with the 4th class of the Russian Order of St. George on 6 September 1877 http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/ministrii/12_G Source: http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/ministrii/12_G General Cernat served two terms as Minister of Defence (02.04.1877-19.08.1877 and 19.03.1878-24.11.1878) and then was appointed Chief of the General Staff (1881-1882). |
| Posted by: Carol I October 06, 2005 08:22 pm |
| General Alexandru Averescu presented with the 4th class of the Russian Order of St. George on 9 June 1917 http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/ministrii/30_G Source: http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/ministrii/30_G General Averescu served as Minister of Defence (13.03.1906-03.03.1909), Chief of the General Staff (18.11.1911-02.12.1913) and Prime Minister (11.02.1918-18.03.1918, 13.03.1920-17.12.1921 and 30.03.1926-04.06.1927). He is buried in the http://www.once.ro/ro/index.php?id=26&lang=en. |
| Posted by: Carol I October 06, 2005 08:23 pm |
| General Eremia Grigorescu presented with the 4th class of the Russian Order of St. George in January 1917 http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/ministrii/41_G Source: http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/ministrii/41_G General Grigorescu served as Minister of Defence between 24.10.1918 and 28.11.1918. He is buried in the http://www.once.ro/ro/index.php?id=25&lang=en. |
| Posted by: Carol I October 06, 2005 08:24 pm |
| General Henry Cihoschi presented with the 4th class of the Russian Order of St. George during WWI http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/ministrii/48_G Source: http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/ministrii/48_G General Cihoschi served as Minister of Defence between 10.11.1928 and 04.04.1930. |
| Posted by: Carol I October 07, 2005 08:34 pm |
| General Constantin Presan presented with the 4th class of the Russian Order of St. George in January 1917 http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/album04/28_G Source: http://www.mapn.ro/fotodb/album04/28_G General Presan served twice as Chief of the General Staff (05.12.1916-01.04.1918 and 28.10.1918-20.03.1920). |
| Posted by: Carol I November 11, 2005 11:18 pm |
Bar with Cross of St. George no. 580038. Whose bar was this Igor? |
| Posted by: Carol I December 01, 2005 08:08 am |
Medal bar with the Cross of St. George no. 148726. Whose bar was this? |
| Posted by: igor_ost December 22, 2005 04:43 pm |
| The number - 1 million 148726 . |
| Posted by: Carol I December 22, 2005 05:30 pm | ||
OK then, but who were the recipients of crosses nos. 580038 and 1148726? You mentioned you have (access to) some sort of list of the awardees. |
| Posted by: igor_ost December 22, 2005 10:02 pm |
| Sorry, My friends in Russia sometime help me with Russian Archives. But in Russian Archive not 100% of information ! "Thanx for comunists !"  This numbers 580038 and 1148726 my friends not see in the Rolls . * I have now cross of Romanian soldier. Romanian Unter-Officer from 7 Reg. "Prahova" Pecelea Spiru receive St. George cross 4th class 24/09/1917 for battles near Moare Rosie and Sushica . * (I cannot to add the picture ! ) |
| Posted by: Carol I December 24, 2005 11:15 am | ||
Pitty! |
| Posted by: Carol I January 09, 2006 11:48 am | ||
From: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2845&view=findpost&p=45322 |
| Posted by: igor_ost January 09, 2006 11:58 am |
| Order of St. Vladimir 4th class with Bow and Swords - very high award !!! |
| Posted by: Carol I January 09, 2006 11:59 am | ||
Do you see the bow on Brosteanu's bar? |
| Posted by: igor_ost January 09, 2006 12:12 pm |
| 4th class of st. Vladimir with Swards was ONLY with bow . On the bar - inkorrect |
| Posted by: Carol I February 13, 2006 07:42 pm |
14 June 1914 - King Carol I in the uniform of the Russian 18th Vologda Regiment wearing the Russian Orders of St. Andrew and St. George: Source: National Centre for Cinematography |
| Posted by: Carol I February 13, 2006 07:45 pm |
14 June 1914 - King Carol I and Prince Ferdinand in Russian uniforms: Source: National Centre for Cinematography Was Prince Ferdinand also wearing a Russian order? If yes, which one? |
| Posted by: Carol I February 13, 2006 07:48 pm |
14 June 1914 - One more image of King Carol I and Prince Ferdinand, this time waiting for the arrival of the Russian yacht Standard: Source: National Centre for Cinematography |
| Posted by: igor_ost February 15, 2006 04:13 pm |
| Awards of Romanians from my collection http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=romanians0nw.jpg |
| Posted by: igor_ost February 15, 2006 06:37 pm |
| St. George Medal "For Bravery" 4th class -- to soldier (private ? ) Zaharia Aleku , Seret Rgt #11 "for Bravery and Galantry 1-16.12.1916 " St. George Crosses 4th class : -- to Demetre Jean ( Ioan Dumitrescu from 1st Rosiori Regiment ? ) 1877 y. -- to Kerciu Gheorge unter-officer of 18 Rgt "Gorj" for Battle on Porkului near Geurgele -- to Pecelea Spiru unter-officer of 7 Rgt "Prahova" for gallantry 25-31.07.1917 -- to Mishka Saviu (in Russ. archive "podpraporzsik") of 32 Rgt for bravery near Doaga and Prisake 24.07 - 2.08.1917 -- to Gheorgesku D. feuerverker of 19 Rgt of hard artillery ( 105-mm divizion) for Doage and Prisake too . |
| Posted by: Carol I March 31, 2006 08:16 pm |
Medal bar of a Russian officer awarded the Romanian Trans Danube Cross |
| Posted by: dragos03 April 15, 2006 06:21 pm |
| Awards of Colonel Ioan Solomon, a Romanian volunteer ("pandur") who fought in the war of 1828-1829: - Order of St. Anna, 2nd Class - Order of St. Stanislas, 2nd Class - Order of St. Vladimir, 4th Class - Medal for the 1828-1829 war |
| Posted by: Carol I April 15, 2006 08:12 pm |
| I think this thread should be named "Russian awards to Romanian soldiers" as it does not deal with other foreign awards. |
| Posted by: Carol I April 22, 2006 08:57 am | ||||
According to the National History Museum, Prince Carol received the collar of the Order of St. Andrew on 29 November 1877, almost two months after the Order of St. George. |
| Posted by: Carol I April 22, 2006 09:01 am |
The National History Museum has this rare photo of King Carol I wearing the collar of the Order of St. Andrew and the badge of the Order of St. George (among other Romanian and foreign awards). |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR April 22, 2006 01:14 pm | ||
Records for Saint George soldiers crosses were more then likely not kept in 1916-1917. There are many reports due to moral problems and a high degree of desertion in the Imperial Russian Army, that officers would show up at the front lines with with large boxes of crosses and hand them out to everyone who was still there as a moral booster. |
| Posted by: dragos03 April 22, 2006 03:09 pm |
| Russian orders awarded to Romanians between 1866-1879: - 92 Orders of St. George - 19 Orders of St. Vladimir - 171 Orders of St. Anne - 373 Orders of St. Stanislas |
| Posted by: Carol I April 22, 2006 03:32 pm | ||
I do not think that this is the correct number of orders awarded to Romanians (see the discussion in the beginning of the thread). I guess most of these awards were in fact Crosses of St. George. |
| Posted by: dragos03 April 26, 2006 05:37 pm |
| Ok, so there were 13 orders of St. George and 79 crosses. |
| Posted by: Carol I April 27, 2006 08:12 am | ||
Wherefrom did you get these numbers? Igor claimed there were 3 orders and 150 crosses. |
| Posted by: dragos03 April 27, 2006 02:12 pm |
| I have the list of all that were awarded between 1866-1879 and i simply counted 13 officers in the list, assuming they received the order. |
| Posted by: igor_ost April 28, 2006 02:15 pm | ||
Great ! You can to post this list ? Some Romanian Officers was NCO's in 1877 and recive st. George crosses . |
| Posted by: Carol I April 28, 2006 09:37 pm | ||
I see. Well, I would really like to make some light into this story. Victor has http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1617&view=findpost&p=20505 a list with 16 Romanian officers receiving St. George awards for the 1877-1878 war, of which it was confirmed that only two have received the Order of St. George. The other ones, all second lieutenants, appear to have received only the Cross of St. George, as if the Russian authorities not consider them officers and hence 'unworthy' of the Order of St. George. Was this some sort of a 'discrimination' of the Russian authorities or were they all NCOs who were raised to officer rank after the war? My http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1617&view=findpost&p=20529 regarding their situation has unfortunately remained unanswered. |
| Posted by: Carol I May 06, 2006 11:53 am |
Romanian medal bar with the Russian orders of St. Anne and St. Stanislas Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I May 06, 2006 11:56 am |
The Russian orders  |
| Posted by: igor_ost May 07, 2006 10:10 pm | ||
Great medals bar !!! From Museum ? |
| Posted by: New Connaught Ranger May 25, 2006 08:06 pm | ||||
Hallo, This beautiful set of Romanian Medals recently sold on Ebay Germany for over 900 Euros What drove the price high was the two Russian medals The only things I thought odd was there was no medal of Victory for WW1 on the bar?? The original owner would certainly have been entitled to one, and the last medal was the Civil service version with the Romanian royal coat of Arms on the rear instead of the lettering. How do I know that? I hear you ask The reverse photo was posted on the original auction  Kevin in Deva |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 04, 2006 03:06 pm |
| http://img275.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lieutenantgeneral9wq.jpg Lieutenant General. I can not read the signature of the Generals name. A very large photo dated Dec, 28, 1930. On the back is written "Died July 12, 1936". This General was awarded and wears on his uniform the Breast Star of Saint Stanislav 1st class with swords, Order of Saint Stanislav with swords 1st or 2nd class, the Order of Saint Vladimir with swords 3rd or 4th class, and the order of Saint Anne 3rd or 4th class. Also what is interesting is his polish buttons. You can see the photographer in them taking the Generals photo. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 04, 2006 03:09 pm |
| http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lieutenantgeneralmedals1hr.jpg Close up. |
| Posted by: igor_ost June 04, 2006 09:18 pm |
| Good photo !!! Badges of Order of st. Stanislav 1st class - star and cross, Order of st. Vladimir with swards 3rd class and Order of st. Anne 2nd class . |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 08, 2006 02:02 am | ||
Does anyone recognize this General or can read the signature name on the photo ? |
| Posted by: mihai June 10, 2006 01:09 am | ||||||
It' proper price for Rumanian mounted Orders include Russian Award,IMperial Russian Order is very hifh prices, MIhai |
| Posted by: igor_ost June 23, 2006 09:24 pm |
| Hello , Can you help me with information about Capitanului Chiritescu Stefan from 30 Inf. Reg. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=8888 (I have problems with posting of pictures on this forum. SORRY ) Somebody can to track the pictures to this forum ? Thank you |
| Posted by: Carol I June 24, 2006 08:17 am | ||
Căpitan Chiriţescu Ştefan  http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3145/post34311510589201fz.jpg http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/420/post34311510973605ak.jpg http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1787/post34311510952799rq.jpg http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5940/post34311510962740mz.jpg http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5909/post34311510964178jf.jpg http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6923/post34311510954036ah.jpg http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5549/post34311510955866wn.jpg http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9575/post34311510969157hs.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1898/post34311510969912jv.jpg |
| Posted by: Carol I June 24, 2006 08:59 am |
 The Order of the Crown has been awarded to Lt. Chiriţescu Ştefan of the 30th Muşcel Regiment for the bravery with which he led his company in the battle at Marghiloman Hill. |
| Posted by: Carol I June 24, 2006 09:08 am |
 The Order of the Star has been awarded to Capt. Chiriţescu Ştefan of the 30th Infantry Regiment for the bravery with which he led his company in the fights at Dealul Porcului (Pig Hill - Hill 528) on 16-21 August 1917. Continuously in the midst his unit he has bloodily repelled the 12 fierce attacks of the enemy who had wanted to break the front at that point. Being wounded three times on the 21 August 1917 he had continued to stay on positions maintaining the command of his company until nightfall. |
| Posted by: Carol I July 11, 2006 09:36 am |
| I have found a reference to King Carol I receiving the second class of the Russian Order of St George. Thus, on 5 September 1877 he had received the third class of the order for "the excellent deeds in the war with the Turks". Then, on 29 November 1877 he had received the second class of the order "for the conquest of the Plevna stronghold and the capture of Osman Pasha's army on 28 November 1877". On the same date he had also received the collar of the Russian Order of St. Andrew. |
| Posted by: Carol I July 11, 2006 09:41 am |
| I have updated the list of Romanian recipients of the Russian Order of St. George 1877-1878 War 1. Prince Carol I (29 November 1877) - second class (third class on 5 September 1877) 2. Brig. Gen. Alexandru Cernat (6 September 1877) - fourth class 3. Maj. Alexandru Candiano-Popescu (award date ?) - fourth class 1916-1918 War 1. King Ferdinand I (15 March 1918) - third class 2. Lt. Gen. Alexandru Averescu (9 June 1917) - fourth class 3. Lt. Gen. Eremia Grigorescu (January 1917) - fourth class 4. Lt. Gen. Constantin Prezan (January 1917) - fourth class 5. Maj. Gen. Henry Cihoschi (award date ?) - fourth class 6. Maj. Gen. Alexandru Mărgineanu (award date ?) - fourth class 7. Col. Alexandru Alexiu (25 March 1918) - fourth class 8. Col. Ioan Cristofor (25 March 1918) - fourth class 9. Lt. Col. Virgil Dumbravă (25 March 1918) - fourth class 10. Lt. Iosef Ceobanu (25 March 1918) - fourth class 11. Lt. Simeon Pretul (25 March 1918) - fourth class |
| Posted by: igor_ost July 11, 2006 10:20 am |
| King Karol I not receive 2nd class of order. King receive 4th class (1st order) and 3rd class ( 2nd ORDER , not class ) !!! 2nd class - neck cross and breast star . |
| Posted by: Carol I July 11, 2006 10:39 am | ||||
I have found the information on http://george-orden.nm.ru/Mars/mars64.html. I admit the possibility that it could be an error, but on the other hand the site seems pretty well informed. I think the final proof would be a copy of the award records or a photo of the name plates in the St. George Hall.
So what? He could have received the star, but chose not to wear it. |
| Posted by: igor_ost July 13, 2006 08:05 am |
| King Karol I receive ONLY one st. George Order - Order of st. George 3rd class in 1877 . Not 4th and not 2nd !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Posted by: Carol I July 13, 2006 09:11 am | ||
And your source is ... |
| Posted by: Carol I July 17, 2006 04:21 pm |
Major Constatin Brătianu with the Russian Order of St. Stanislas From http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2196&view=findpost&p=34069 |
| Posted by: Carol I July 22, 2006 05:25 pm |
General Alexandru Cernat presented with the 4th class of the Russian Order of St. George on 6 September 1877 From http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2196&view=findpost&p=34069 |
| Posted by: Carol I July 22, 2006 05:28 pm |
Major Alexandru Candiano-Popescu, recipient of the 4th class of the Russian Order of St. George From http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2196&view=findpost&p=34069 |
| Posted by: Carol I July 22, 2006 05:32 pm |
Captain Virgiliu Hepites, recipient of the Russian Order of St. Stanislas From http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2196&view=findpost&p=34069 |
| Posted by: Carol I July 22, 2006 05:34 pm |
Major Eduard Hübsch, recipient of the Russian Order of St. Stanislas From http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2196&view=findpost&p=34069 |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR July 23, 2006 01:55 pm |
| http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=russianmilitaria016ow0.jpg Interesting 9 place medal bar. 2nd to the last medal is the Imperial Russian medal for Zeal. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR August 05, 2006 05:13 pm |
| http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=russianmilitaria017bg5.jpg Close up of gold gilted Imperial Russian Zeal medal. |
| Posted by: Claudiu1988 March 12, 2009 01:38 pm |
| A friend of mine has this piece in his collection, can you tell the period this piece was awarded, I searched on the net but didn't find nothing about this model. http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0003q.jpg http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0004r.jpg |
| Posted by: Radub March 12, 2009 02:24 pm |
| Maybe this helps http://www.arco-iris.com/George/images/cross_st_george_4th.jpg Radu |