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Posted by: dragos03 June 01, 2006 11:23 pm
Eight Romanians that are buried in the Heroes Graveyard in Mons (Belgium) were commemorated in a ceremony on June 1.

These Romanians were in France when WW1 started, they joined the French Army as volunteers and were killed in the battles in the area.

The ceremony was attended by the Romanian Ambassador in Belgium and Romanian officers attached to the NATO and EU institutions.

Here are some pics of the graves and the ceremony:

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Posted by: Klemen June 03, 2006 06:22 pm
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Eight Romanians that are buried in the Heroes Graveyard in Mons (Belgium) were commemorated in a ceremony on June 1. These Romanians were in France when WW1 started, they joined the French Army as volunteers and were killed in the battles in the area.


Dragos: Were they members of the French Foreign Legion or Regular French Army? I have checked for some details about this NICOLAE TOMA, but couldn't find any details. The only Romanian I could find was Legionnaire 2eme Classe FLORIO MIHAILESCU (Mat. 26929) from 2e de Marche du 1er Etranger. Born in Galati in 1894. He was killed in action on 9th May 1915 at a place called Izerthongal (sp??) in Pas-de-Calais.

Otherwise just for those who are keen for this kind of statistic: Romania provided the ninth largest contingent of foreign volunteers in the French Foreign Legion and Army. During 1914-1918 a total of 897 Romanians joined the French Armed Forces - 175 were killed in action; 87 Romanians received the Médaille militaire and 167 the Croix de guerre.


Posted by: dragos03 June 03, 2006 10:09 pm
Hi Klemen,

I had the pleasure to meet Mr. Luc Francois who works at the Belgian Royal Army Museum and is a great friend of Romania.

He published a book about the Romanians who fought against the Germans on Belgian soil in WW1 and WW2 (in the rezistance).

According to his research, there are 10 Romanian soldiers buried in Belgium, of which 8 in Mons, 1 in Anvers and 1 in Boussu (the ones identified are Nicolae Toma, A. Prectese, Ambrosanu Constantin, Zamfir Iordache, Leulescu Ion, Mandache Ion, Paslaru Stefan, Radu Dumitru and Dimi Gheorghe Stan). He thinks that these soldiers were part of the Romanian military missions sent to purchase weapons from France and Belgium, who volunteered to join the Entente armies.

For more information about these soldiers and also about the Romanians who fought in Belgium in WW2, check Mr. Francois' excellent book: "32 heros roumains sur le territoire belge entre les annees 1916-1918 et 1940-1945". There will also be a Romanian edition of his book.






Posted by: Klemen June 03, 2006 10:29 pm
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According to his research, there are 10 Romanian soldiers buried in Belgium, of which 8 in Mons, 1 in Anvers and 1 in Boussu (the ones identified are Nicolae Toma, A. Prectese, Ambrosanu Constantin, Zamfir Iordache, Leulescu Ion, Mandache Ion, Paslaru Stefan, Radu Dumitru and Dimi Gheorghe Stan). He thinks that these soldiers were part of the Romanian military missions sent to purchase weapons from France and Belgium, who volunteered to join the Entente armies.


"Bilo kako bilo"I have checked for these names and none of them appears to be listed on French or British Army register of casualties, so I have second doubts whether these Romanians have been fighting in the French Army. Could it be possible that they have volunteered to serve in the BELGIAN ARMY and not French as you initially suggested in your original message?

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As I said I checked French WW1 Casualty database and none of these names appear on it. I am sure they would if they would be members of FFL or French Army. I could thus not find any Ambrosanu Constantin, but I did find out Legionnaire 2eme classe CONSTANTIN CONSTANTINESCO, born 1892 in Gurgera (sp., OK?). He was a private in the RMLE (Régiment de Marche de la Légion Etrangère). He died of wounds on 18th July 1918 in an ambulance at the Pierrefonds Castle near the Oise River.

Do you know any other names of Romanian legionnaires who died in the French Army or FFL in the Great War or WW2?

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For more information about these soldiers and also about the Romanians who fought in Belgium in WW2, check Mr. Francois' excellent book: "32 heros roumains sur le territoire belge entre les annees 1916-1918 et 1940-1945". There will also be a Romanian edition of his book.


This is certainly good news. wink.gif

Posted by: dragos03 June 03, 2006 10:32 pm
QUOTE (Klemen @ Jun 3 2006, 10:29 PM)
"Bilo kako bilo"I have checked for these names and none of them appears to be listed on French or British Army register of casualties, so I have second doubts whether these Romanians have been fighting in the French Army. Could it be possible that they have volunteered to serve in the BELGIAN ARMY and not French as you initially suggested in your original message?

Yes, it is possible that they served in the Belgian Army. I was told by some people who attended the ceremony that they served in the French Army but maybe they were wrong.

Posted by: Klemen June 03, 2006 10:39 pm
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Yes, it is possible that they served in the Belgian Army. I was told by some people who attended the ceremony that they served in the French Army but maybe they were wrong.


Well as I said they are not listed in the French or British Casualty Database and both nations have been heavily engaged at Mons. To me the only possible explanation can be that they have either served in the Belgian Army, served in the British or French Army under assumed names (although don't know why they would do that) or have been acting as official neutral Romanian military observers and killed by some artillery fire or something like that.

Posted by: dragos June 07, 2006 12:17 pm
According to Revista de istorie militara 2(36)/1996, other Romanian soldiers are burried in France, in places where the Germans built prison camps:

Effry (22), Hirson (275), Mauberge, Rethel (12)

At Signy l'Abbaye there are burried 12 Romanian soldiers POW between 1916-1918:
Fratilescu Constantin, Iordan, Babalau Barbu, Balau, Popescu Nita, Stefan Toader, Gheorghe Petru, Raducanu Mihai, Dinulescu Kotache, Giurea Marin, Petrache Gheorghe, Ferastravagu Gheorghe.

Posted by: New Connaught Ranger July 01, 2006 08:36 pm
QUOTE (Klemen @ Jun 3 2006, 10:39 PM)
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Yes, it is possible that they served in the Belgian Army. I was told by some people who attended the ceremony that they served in the French Army but maybe they were wrong.


Well as I said they are not listed in the French or British Casualty Database and both nations have been heavily engaged at Mons. To me the only possible explanation can be that they have either served in the Belgian Army, served in the British or French Army under assumed names (although don't know why they would do that) or have been acting as official neutral Romanian military observers and killed by some artillery fire or something like that.

Hallo Kleman biggrin.gif,

if they were neutural observers they would have been more likely to have been ranking officers, not lower ranks, and their names would be recorded somewhere, not only with the French, British and Belgians, but also by the Romanians, and after WW1, there whereabouts would have been traced or at least an investigation made, so I doubt thats the case here.

There were instances of Americans and other foreigners joining the Belgian and French armies long before WW1 under assumed names. It could be possible if they were in the French Legion they joined using assumed names, as well, after all in those days the Legion was not particular who a man was or what he had done or even where he had come from, before he joined up.

just my opinion,

Kevin in Deva. biggrin.gif

Posted by: De Petrowski Alexander July 27, 2006 04:38 pm
The British Army (BEF) fought at Mons, The French Army fought at Charleroi and the Belgian 4rd infantry Division + fortress troops fought at Namur.

All three places lie next to one another and all three battles took place in the same period, the resting place in Mons therefore could contain casualties from either of the three battles, not just those that died at Mons.


This mr. Luc Francois no doubt can answer the questions regarding Romanians in the Belgian Army.

Posted by: Mircea June 01, 2009 08:23 am
QUOTE (dragos03 @ June 03, 2006 10:09 pm)
Hi Klemen,

I had the pleasure to meet Mr. Luc Francois who works at the Belgian Royal Army Museum and is a great friend of Romania.

He published a book about the Romanians who fought against the Germans on Belgian soil in WW1 and WW2 (in the rezistance).

According to his research, there are 10 Romanian soldiers buried in Belgium, of which 8 in Mons, 1 in Anvers and 1 in Boussu (the ones identified are Nicolae Toma, A. Prectese, Ambrosanu Constantin, Zamfir Iordache, Leulescu Ion, Mandache Ion, Paslaru Stefan, Radu Dumitru and Dimi Gheorghe Stan). He thinks that these soldiers were part of the Romanian military missions sent to purchase weapons from France and Belgium, who volunteered to join the Entente armies.

For more information about these soldiers and also about the Romanians who fought in Belgium in WW2, check Mr. Francois' excellent book: "32 heros roumains sur le territoire belge entre les annees 1916-1918 et 1940-1945". There will also be a Romanian edition of his book.

Salut.Ma numesc Mircea.Iti multumesc mult pentru ceea ce faci(nici nu-ti dai seama cat......).Am fost acum o luna la tara si am citit in treacat pe monumentul din centrul comunei,unde s-a nascut mama,numele strabunicilor mei care au murit amandoi in primul razboi mondial(sergent "Bejan Iancu" si caporal "Paslaru Stefan")...Chestia e ca in aceasta seara am intrebat-o pe mama unde este inmormantat unul din strabunicii mei(din curiozitate) si mi-a raspuns ca nu stie unde anume, dar a murit in prizonierat,in Belgia....Am cautat cimitire militare si am gasit poze de la o ceremonie, Mons Belgia,organizata de Mapn http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=3300.Am dat de scrol in jos si am ramas..... blocat...am citit numele strabunicului meu...."Paslaru Stefan"....caporal(asa scrie pe monumentul din centrul comunei Obarsia Veche,Olt)....Te rog sa-mi spui daca el este inmormantat la Mons si alte informatii,daca exista......... ciufilenescu@yahoo.com Cu respect si recunostinta , Mircea Ciurez

Posted by: 21 inf June 01, 2009 08:31 am
You can also adress for more info to http://www.once.ro/cimitire_rom_str.php#belgia

Posted by: Mircea June 01, 2009 09:53 am
QUOTE (21 inf @ June 01, 2009 08:31 am)
You can also adress for more info to http://www.once.ro/cimitire_rom_str.php#belgia

Thank you.I will

Posted by: Cristian June 03, 2009 02:37 pm
Off topic, but related
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090603/lf_nm_life/us_australia_soldier

Posted by: Mircea June 22, 2009 06:00 pm
Gata.....Azi am primit raspuns oficial de la ONCE si poze cu semnul de capatai....Paslaru Stefan,strabunicul meu,a murit in 20.03.1917.Este inmormantat in parcela S,cimitirul militar din Mons,Belgia. Multumesc lui Dumnezeu ca exista oameni ca voi.... Cu respect,Mircea Ciurez

Posted by: feic7346 June 22, 2009 08:19 pm
Prizonier la Mons? A luptat in Armata Franceza ca cetetean Francez sau in legiunea straina??

Posted by: Victor June 23, 2009 05:59 am
English please. It is rude to write in Romanian, because there are people among us that do not understand the language.

Posted by: Mircea June 23, 2009 04:06 pm
My name is Mircea.I found that my grandgrand father is buried in Mons Belgium.He was prisonier.Not foreign legion or french army.Romanian soldier. Yesturday I recived a document from ONCE. Stimate domnule Mircea CIUREZ,

La e-mailul dumneavostra, prin care solicitati informatii despre locurile de inhumare a militarilor Paslaru Stefan si Bejan Iancu, va aducem la cunostinta urmatoarele:

1) soldatul Paslaru Stefan, mort pe data de 20.03.1917, este inhumat in parcela S din cadrul Cimitirului militar din Mons (Belgia), alaturi de alti 7 (sapte) militari romani (Anexa); It means:Soldier Paslaru Stefan,dead on 20.03.1917,is buries in section S from Military Cimitiere Mons(Belgium),with others 7 romanian soldiers......They send me fotos showing the cros of my grandgrand father.On the cros is the name,the date of death and "soldat roman"wich means "romanian soldier". That's it. Sorry,i did't whant to be rude..... Respect and good luck Mircea

Posted by: feic7346 June 23, 2009 07:26 pm
So your grandfather was prisoner in Romania but was moved to Mons by Germans (to work I guess) and died there?

Posted by: 21 inf June 24, 2009 04:50 am
Most of romanian soldiers who died in ww1 on french soil were ex AH-soldiers, captured by Allies. They also could be ex AH-soldiers, but from Romanian Volunteers Corp from France, which was raised from romanian prisoniers ex AH-soldiers in 1918. Transylvanian romanians previously being AH combatatants, after being taken prisoniers or fled to Allies, raised volunteers regiments or Corps in prison camps, in order to fight agaisnt AH monarchy, as did serbs, cehs, slovacs and other nationalities from AH monarchy in ww1. Romanians raised this volunteer regiments in Russia (2 Corps), in Italy, in France and in USA.

A history of these units can be read at http://enciclopediaromaniei.ro/wiki/Corpul_Voluntarilor_Ardeleni , in romanian language.

Posted by: Mircea June 24, 2009 04:20 pm
My grandgrand father was from Obarsia Veche,judetul Romanati (Olt).This is in south of Oltenia region,south of Romania....Romania started the war in 1916.He died in 20.03.1917 Mons Belgium.He left a 21 years wife and 2 small children.He was caporal in romanian army.He fall prisonier.We don't know where.Is strange becouse only 8 romanian soldiers are buried in Mons.The people from ONCE did not gave me other informations.There are a lot of romanian soldiers buried in cemeteries from France,Germany...but only 13 or something like this in Belgium(8 in Mons).Strange...Anyway,next year i will like to go their at "Heroes day".I'll speak with romanian ambassy in Bruxelles and Romanian Defence Departament to know if they will organise any ceremony there.I'm glad that people from Once confirmed the tumb of my grandgrand father.I'll try to put the fotos from ONCE showing my grandgrand father cross.If you have other informations about it please share.... Respect Mircea

Posted by: feic7346 June 25, 2009 04:06 pm
Mircea,

How old was your grandfather when he died? Was he part of the Romanian army before 1916? Or he joined when the war started in 1916? Do you have any idea how someone prisoner in Romania in fall or winter of 1916 could wind up in Mons in spring 1917?

Thanks

Posted by: Mircea June 25, 2009 09:10 pm
My mother told me that he was 26 or 27 years old.He was in the army before, then he was in reserve...When the war started he was called back in the army.Unfortunately i don't have any informations about his military activities.He is buried with other 7 romanian soldiers(confirmed)in Mons(you asked me how he ended there and then,I don't know).......That's why i asked you people to share informations,if you have...On the monument from Obarsia Veche (his place of birth)is his name,rank(caporal)and the year of death.On this monument is the other grandgrand father from my mothers side,died,in ww1(sergent Bejan Iancu 1917)...The only thing i knew before joining this forum about Paslaru Stefan was from my mother who knew from her grand mother(his wife,then she was 21) that he died in Belgium as prisonier(no other things).I joint WW2 forum becouse i was curios and "i found out" from you guys that he was buried in Mons not oficial(read my first post).And i thank you for this..After that i asked the people from ONCE and they confirmed.I'll ask a friend to put the fotos that they(ONCE) send to me,here...I repet,if you have informations share.... Respect Mircea

Posted by: Dénes June 26, 2009 07:12 am
Erroneous post deleted.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: 21 inf June 26, 2009 07:33 am
I believe that the soldier discussed in this topic was romanian soldier, as he was from Muntenia, not from Transylvania and at the time he was captured he was corporal in romanian army.

Posted by: Dénes June 26, 2009 07:43 am
Thanks for pointing out the error. Post deleted.

I was confused by the initial posts, and thought there were two grandfathers Mircea was talking about.

Also, your previous sentence was ambiguous: "Most of romanian soldiers who died in ww1 on french soil were ex AH-soldiers, captured by Allies". This also prompted my reply.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: 21 inf June 26, 2009 07:58 am
Yes, Denes, I myself was not informed enough from were was the soldier, so based on the most presumable facts, I pointed the posibility that the man was from Transylvnia. Altough, having some doubts, that why I said that "most" of romanians buried in France were ex-AH soldiers and I was not saying that "all" were formerly in AH army.

Posted by: Mircea June 27, 2009 09:10 am
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Posted by: Mircea June 27, 2009 09:24 am
As i told you....fotos send by ONCE.At the first foto you'll gone see all the names of romanian soldiers buried in Mons Belgium.My grandgrand father is the first from left.The first foto was made after they spraying the names with black paint.The others show my grandgrand father cross... Respect Mircea

Posted by: feic7346 June 29, 2009 09:15 pm
God rest his soul Mircea!
Dumnezeu sa il ierte!

Posted by: Mircea July 03, 2009 09:59 pm
Grant unto them eternal rest, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. Odihna cea veşnică dă-le-o lor Doamne şi Lumina cea fără de sfârşit sa strălucească asupra lor. Respect Mircea

Posted by: Mircea June 07, 2013 10:21 am
I try to post photos showing the heroes monument from Obarsia Veche

Posted by: Mircea June 07, 2013 11:06 am
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Posted by: Mircea June 07, 2013 11:07 am
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Posted by: Mircea June 07, 2013 11:08 am
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Posted by: Mircea June 07, 2013 11:08 am
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Posted by: Mircea June 07, 2013 11:10 am
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[SIZE=14] The first,Sergent Bejan Iancu is my great grand father too. Contingent 1906.We don't know where his rest place is. The other great grand father,Caporal Paslaru Stefan (contingent 1908 )is found.Mons Today 7.06.2013 ,my aunt and her husband visit Mons Comunal Cemetery.I'll post new pictures next week.[SIZE=7]

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